Autopsy Post game v Bulldogs, Rd 17. Magpies down again (sad face)

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Team selection should be based on giving kids games rather then making the 8 .
If we make the 8 it will be a bonus!
Team development should be the huge emphasis.
Kennendy in my opinion deserves 3 or 4 games. He has only played two senior games in a row.
Apart from the now brainers inclusions Elliot Adams for f--k sake bring in Marsh and Sharanberg.
Possible outs there is a que! Blair i have been baged for calling him to be ommited. Well Kennendy has had limited opurtunities only 21! Blair had had 5 to 6 years and a regular has showed ordinary signs since 2010.
Were are the Blair lovers now? Bagging me as they have in the last 4 or 5 weeks.
White Toovey Goldsack Oxley Fassolo other possible ommitions?
Leave the kids in!
In Sharanberg Marsh Reid Adams Elliot Karnesis
Out white oxley fassolo blair toovey goldsack

We have been basically playing kids all year. Scharenberg hasnt been ready, Adams and Elliot are automatic selections. The only youngster who has been a bit unlucky missing out on games has been Marsh.. as well as Karnesiz to a lesser extent. And Kennedy but suddenly people want him executed as soon as he gets an opportunity!

 

[Pedro]

Disgraceful: The umpires didnt decide the game but they are getting beyond a joke. Is it me or are collingwood opponents given a lifetime to get rid of the ball after being tackled?

There was one in the last quarter where every player started running to the Collingwood end after a holding the ball. Woops, no its in the back. Lets stop the game while the players all run back the other way. Even the players are confused by obvious calls.
I agree with the non decision where players seem to get an eternity to get rid of the ball. Great tackles are going unrewarded. I try to watch the game and not give a toss about the umpires, but this one irks me. It happens in every game too. Not just ours

 

[Lockyer24]

I'd bite Adelaide's hand off for a 2nd round pick or 3rd for Kennedy. Like Blair he is a not quite good enough type.

 

[gtrain23]

Adams inside work is horribly missed.

 

[MoreMoore]

My five year old daughters observation was "maybe the umpires a bit tired"

Her other astute observation after we turned it over again was "there was only one magpie?"

 

[Adz]

Result was no surprise tbh. Were cooked.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Oxley and Kennedy have to be dropped off the back of that.

I'd persist with Maynard.

 

[Vicky Park]

Guys, we have been a bit light on for mods this afternoon. Doing our best to keep the trolls at bay.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Good game, boys. Now its time for the easiest part of any coach's job: the cuts. Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. Oxley is cut. Goldsack is cut. Fasolo, you're gone. Kennedy, I like your hustle. That's why it was so hard to cut you. Congratulations, the rest of you made the team! Except White, Witts and Toovey.

Bart is Seedsman

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Oxley and Kennedy have to be dropped off the back of that.

I'd persist with Maynard.

I'd be tempted to forgive and forget with Kennedy

 

[Pie eyed]

I have been a fan of Buck's game plan but even that is wearing thin now.
Kennedy must go! Trade him, delist him, sack him, drop him, I don't care, just get rid of him.
White has to be dropped once Cloke comes back, I think Moore is a better option going forward, so might as well play him. It is not like White is playing awesome footy and is keeping him out.
Fas, needs to go back to the seconds.
Disposals, FFS, can we trade someone in who can actually dispose of the ball.
How many out of bounds on the full do we need this season, to let us know that we may not need to go so close to the line.
It may be the piss talking, or emotion, or the fact that this loss (like the last) wasn't even honerable but something has to give.
At the start of the year, I wasn't expecting alot from the boys but when they suck us in with multable early wins, whether it be a soft draw or whatever, five losses in a row, starts to piss a bloke off.
Changes must be made

You only think Moore is a better option because he played well today and he had that opportunity....
Like all sides we are an evolution.
Moore was very promising...like Elliot was when he first played.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Marsh was BOG in the magoos from reports today, has to come in - without fail.

 

[jimmy35]

Guys, we have been a bit light on for mods this afternoon. Doing our best to keep the trolls at bay.

Don't think you need to worry too much Vick, from what I've seen the quality is that poor they're trolling themselves.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Marsh was BOG in the magoos from reports today, has to come in - without fail.

If Marsh was named BOG in the VFL that means he barely touched it!

 

[Leviathan Pie]

If Marsh was named BOG in the VFL that means he barely touched it!

lol, good point

 

[burtpies2015]

Ok so who plays second ruck if white and one of the 2 ruckmen get dropped? Hmmmm

 

[CFC2010]

I'd be tempted to forgive and forget with Kennedy

Oxley has played every game he doesn't get the "out of jail card" after that performance.

My irrelevant opinion is Kennedy gets another two full games. If he he doesn't improve then I agree with the majority on this one. He did something last week that made me question his future.

But I won't hang a player after a couple of games in a row.

 

[BeechyMagpie]

I'm none the wiser on Kennedy and I think that's half the problem. People say he kills it in the reserves, gets promoted, plays 1 or 2 games, often as sub and then gets demoted again.

Think we need to actually say to him "you're playing the rest of the year - you've got 6 games to show your ability and get up to speed" and then a decision can be made with a more long term view.

He reeks of one of those guys that plays his natural game in the 2nds, but almost tries to hard in the 1sts. It's a slightly ridiculous comment that, but by it I mean he tries to do all the right things; hassle tackle harass put himself about and it just doesn't seem like he's comfortable in himself or in his spot. He seems scared to make a mistake or to not do something the coach expects him to in fear of being dropped. I'd rather him know his spot is safe and then let his ability Come Into play and get his confidence up.

Different approach but it's clear the drop him after 1 game hasn't worked, and good management is getting the best out of people in different ways.

 

[jakson68]

You only think Moore is a better option because he played well today and he had that opportunity....
Like all sides we are an evolution.
Moore was very promising...like Elliot was when he first played.

Yes mate he played well today, I will give you that but tell me, what game this year has White played that has warrented him keeping his place?
If Bucks is going to persist with playing both Grundy and Witts, then we have no need for White as a back up ruckman, so as a forward slash backman option, I would go with Moore.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like White but Moore WILL take his place eventually, so may as well do it now, as White has shown no reason week in, week out, to keep Moore out of the side.

 

[Roverjg]

If you put a ball between Oxley and Witts... would either of them ever get to it?

Kappa. It depends. are you talking over the course of the game or over a week?

 

[Stoods]

We look ridiculously SLOW.

I mean this in terms of the players we have and the speed we move the ball. Seriously i was at the game and barely any run and we moved the ball so slow.

I was on level 3 so i could see perfectly when we got the ball we would literally use our full time until the umpire said play on, in the mean time i watched and every single time bulldogs set up their zone.

On the other hand, you watch the dogs who ran and used the ball very quick and opened us up on the outside so many times. Marsh desperately needs to come in and i hope Freeman gets right and we can get him up and going at some point to. Probably the 2 quickest blokes in our side.

Oxley was useless today, has been good this year the ox but wasnt good today, he will go out, i think we are to top heavy so id drop Witts as well, and i definitely don't think Kennedy is up to it.

I was bitterly dissapointed with the way we played today, very painful to watch. The changes i think NEED to happen for next week.

OUT: Witts, Oxley, Kennedy
IN: Reid, Marsh, Adams

B: Williams, Brown, Langdon
HB: Marsh, Frost, Toovey
C: Varcoe, Greenwood, Sidebottom
HF: Swan, Moore, De Goey
F: Fasolo, Reid, White
R: Grundy, Pendlebury, Adams

INT: Goldsack, Maynard, Crisp, (Blair)

P.s. People dont start Buckley bashing, we are not getting rid of him, he is staying.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Oxley has played every game he doesn't get the "out of jail card" after that performance.

My irrelevant opinion is Kennedy gets another two full games. If he he doesn't improve then I agree with the majority on this one. He did something last week that made me question his future.

But I won't hang a player after a couple of games in a row.

Oxley is cooked for this season Plus we have Scharenburg and Marsh waiting in the wings to take his spot.

 

[Collingwood pro]

Jesse White: Career high goals, marks and equal career high disposals for a season. What do you guys expect of him, he isn't all of a sudden going to turn into Wayne Carey or Gary Ablett Snr.

 

[Roverjg]

Yes mate he played well today, I will give you that but tell me, what game this year has White played that has warrented him keeping his place?
If Bucks is going to persist with playing both Grundy and Witts, then we have no need for White as a back up ruckman, so as a forward slash backman option, I would go with Moore.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like White but Moore WILL take his place eventually, so may as well do it now, as White has shown no reason week in, week out, to keep Moore out of the side.

i feel that they will drop Witts and use White as the 3rd tall for what was intended when we drafted him. He will get the 3/4th best defender rather than the 2nd best

 

[jimmy35]

Jesse White: Career high goals, marks and equal career high disposals for a season. What do you guys expect of him, he isn't all of a sudden going to turn into Wayne Carey or Gary Ablett Snr.

Where's the fun in that.