Autopsy Post game v Bulldogs, Rd 17. Magpies down again (sad face)

[yazdo]

Pissed off with the loss. Still need to be patient though.
Loved: Moore, pendles, swan, Grundy, Langdon (although I think he still makes too many mistakes) de geoy, witts, Marley, varcoe....
Hated: OXLEY (4 dropped easy marks) I know he is young but that's inexcusable.
Sidey for a senior player he does too many brainless acts. In my opinion trade him for someone who can be more damaging as Sidney is not damaging at all. Can get it but usage of the ball is pathetic.
Fasolo: played behind all day.
Frost: persist with but crap game today. Needs to add ball use to his arsenal.
Decision making: absolutely awful all day.
Forward play: how many times are opposition forwards left unattended in our forward 50, compared to how many times our forwards are left unattended. This is a coaching issue. Needs addressing ASAP.

Bit of venting from me. Bulldogs were 1st to the ball, wanted it more as most sides do when they play Collingwood. We should be beating the Bulldogs 9 times out of 10. We didn't as we were not prepared to do the hard things and make better decisions. Brown bombing into 50 instead of a hand balling to a runner. Fasolo not handball to and open man in the 4th. Pendles bombing long rather than going short. Sideys Crap dinky kicks. Frost kick directly to opposition. Crisps many mistakes. I hope these get rectifed over the off season. We will be better next year. It's a slow build, how ever still hate losing. GO PIES!

 

[Vicky Park]

Maynard, De Goey and Moore are all best 22 going forward, for a long time. Great draft.
Moore and Cloke will be the 2 key forwards and a decision has to be made as to whether we play Witts or White as 2nd ruck/3rd tall.
Skill level remains our biggest deficiency. Bring on the rain.
Marsh to get his chance soon hopefully.

Blood pressure still high but the boy in Number 30 is helping to bring it down.

This

 

[northpie]

Midfielders cost us today with their lack of defensive run. We let in 100+ on a toy ground against a dud forward line (Stringer exception). Questions now need to be asked about Swanny as a mid and a few of our defenders who can't defend and can't play in front. Same goes for forwards hanging at the back for cheap speckies

i dont know what game you were watching but swanny was in our best 3 today.

 

[Lockyer24]

i dont know what game you were watching but swanny was in our best 3 today.

Who was to blame for VFL stars like Tory Dickson slotting +100 against us? Everyone is a champion carry on

 

[DaVe86]

I have no doubt that the loss to port adelaide absolutely deflated us and we have lacked confidence ever since.

We were playing really good footy right up until that game.

We should win the next 2 games which will put us back around the top 8, but i dont think we will make it now. Happy to keep pumping games into moore, maynard and de goey and hopefully see scharenberg and marsh too

 

[Hardas]

Unable to watch the game today, so I'll leave that to others.

Overall, as discussed in the preseason, we need to decide who can cope with the ever increasing need for good DE and decision-making under pressure.

Some with these kinds of problems have youth on their side; some don't - the ones that don't need to be weeded out over the next year of so.

Another preseason on with a little more experience for the youth, the 'battlers' may all be out of the team.

By this time next year the side could and should be transformed.

 

[ksardog]

We can't continue to play 2 rucks.

It simply doesn't work, i like White playing the 2nd ruck.

The future isnt white, its with grundy, witts and moore. Long term benefits will be far greater playing them now.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So we are Flat Track Bullies?

No, we have beaten every team we are better than.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

Oxley - back to the VFL - soft, squib, come back when you've put on 10kg and are prepared to keep your eye on the ball and are no longer hearing foot steps.

Kennedey - delist, too small, doesn't find the ball, uses it poorly - does he actually have any redeeming traits? Make Kyle Martin look AFL standard.

Fasolo - delist, 5th year as a Collingwood player and despite everything he still has not got the message you don't get to pick and choose when to put in

Moore - must play every game for the rest of the year - made me see visions of a future without J White

 

[DaVe86]

Pissed off with the loss. Still need to be patient though.
Loved: Moore, pendles, swan, Grundy, Langdon (although I think he still makes too many mistakes) de geoy, witts, Marley, varcoe....
Hated: OXLEY (4 dropped easy marks) I know he is young but that's inexcusable.
Sidey for a senior player he does too many brainless acts. In my opinion trade him for someone who can be more damaging as Sidney is not damaging at all. Can get it but usage of the ball is pathetic.
Fasolo: played behind all day.
Frost: persist with but crap game today. Needs to add ball use to his arsenal.
Decision making: absolutely awful all day.
Forward play: how many times are opposition forwards left unattended in our forward 50, compared to how many times our forwards are left unattended. This is a coaching issue. Needs addressing ASAP.

Bit of venting from me. Bulldogs were 1st to the ball, wanted it more as most sides do when they play Collingwood. We should be beating the Bulldogs 9 times out of 10. We didn't as we were not prepared to do the hard things and make better decisions. Brown bombing into 50 instead of a hand balling to a runner. Fasolo not handball to and open man in the 4th. Pendles bombing long rather than going short. Sideys Crap dinky kicks. Frost kick directly to opposition. Crisps many mistakes. I hope these get rectifed over the off season. We will be better next year. It's a slow build, how ever still hate losing. GO PIES!

Geez i thought sidebottom was bog, especially in the last qtr he lifted

 

[cakewalk_1]

Collingwood should be relugated to vfl

C JUDD 3 votes ( against the Hawks

 

[Starcevich90]

We don't spread anywhere near as well or as quickly as other teams. Our midfield doesn't exactly have speed when you look at the names so we have to rely on being clean inside so we can get it outside; which we weren't today.

One thing though; we got 7 goals from our KPF duo of White and Moore. At the start of the game we would have thought that was a huge win. Get 3 or 4 from the smalls, and another 2 or 3 from the Mids and we've kicked 15. I just don't see how White can be used as the #EscapeGoat again .. It's getting tedious. He's not Wayne Carey so stop expecting him to play like him. We also don't have the benefit of a transfer market where you csn go and buy Royce Hart.

It's not to much to ask for a key forward to fly for a mark with two hands. Or to occassionally bring the ball to ground.

 

[Masicar666]

Witts and Grundy just don't work together, I've said it more than once.

Goldsack isn't good enough for vfl let alone afl and the same can be said for oxley.

White is a spud but is needed for structure.

Fasolo well just faaark him off.

Marsh deserves a crack and so does shaz.

Reid needs to play afl even if a massive liability

 

[Vicky Park]

The good news is we dont have to play again this year at Etihad.

 

[migz]

Hard to tell about that from TV, but would explain why teams always seem to get the overlap so easily and charge into their F50. Leg speed or do they just look faster due to the above?

We arent a very slow team in my opinion. Our stoppage setups are stupid and from what ive observed we seem to really overcommit with the hope of winning the contested posession stat. When we finally win the ball we have nobody to pass to because weve overcommitted and everybody hasnt made it down field which gives the opposition time to flood. Thats the formula to beating us: flood the backline and have players waiting at the 50m arc ready to cut us up. It happens every bloody game because we are so predictable going forward, its always a long bomb in from the wing which spills and the opposition runs it straight out through the middle. Its always been a problem under Buckley. We never hit the lead up target. Earlier this year i thought we had finally figured it out but its just happening again now.

 

[Hardas]

He can be slow. He'll never be quick. He just needs to stop dropping marks. For someone his size that needs to be a strength for him to succeed.

Shoulder reco wouldn't've helped - needs more gym time for both core and upper-body over the next few years.

 

[Pie eyed]

Yes mate he played well today, I will give you that but tell me, what game this year has White played that has warrented him keeping his place?
If Bucks is going to persist with playing both Grundy and Witts, then we have no need for White as a back up ruckman, so as a forward slash backman option, I would go with Moore.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like White but Moore WILL take his place eventually, so may as well do it now, as White has shown no reason week in, week out, to keep Moore out of the side.

Hopefully Moore will be a 100 game player approaching the quality of Cloke.
He has played 1 good game.
I am not putting any more expectation on him than that.

 

[BeechyMagpie]

It's not to much to ask for a key forward to fly for a mark with two hands. Or to occassionally bring the ball to ground.

Hasn't watching Travis Cloke struggle at times given us enough of example that it isn't that easy to play key forward in this team with the way we bring the ball in? Agree he can do more but looking at statistics he's in career best form. That's an indictment on us recruiting him rather than his performance IMO.

 

[Axl the great]

Things ain't going to get better until a few things are ironed out, when you rely on pressure pressure pressure all day long week after week, players get bloody tired as the season wears on, your game cannot be based around that primarily, it must be a by product of all the other things that win you games like a strong offence, defence and midfield.

When other teams (good teams) are smart enough to avoid the pressure or a highly contested game then we really struggle when it comes down to a skill based and ball movement scenario.

Not all players flourish when asked to be defensive first, Milne and Stevie J are just 2 examples but you make concessions for your really damaging players ours should be the same.

I'm prepared to stick with guys like Kennedy and Oxley who show a bit but need a consistent run at it over a few seasons, on the other hand some others have had their turn and it's clear they can't cut it.

I'm talking about Fasolo, waste of space and a flat track bully, when does he ever stand up more than once in 4 weeks? White is the same, Seedsman is on his last legs, Young gone and Goldsack offers nothing apart from effort.

With so many back flankers on the list we should be a much better springboard team from half back but when frost and Brown provide half your run then there are issues, These same back flankers to a man are terrible defensively in the air one on one but good at ground level, Teams have learnt to cherry pick inside 50 targets rather than bomb away, the short kick has been used to dismantle us this year by Hawthorn, Richmond did it especially well and again today by the dogs.

We still can't defend the corridor, you need to be able to hold the footy while moving it to do this, other sides have been cheating Dayne Beams style by banking on the fact we will turn it over and have 2 or 3 lined up in the corridor when it does happen and more often than not it does.

There are so many things wrong with this side at the moment and i feel that if 1 or 2 things break down in our structure or style then multiple problems appear in the way we play, the issue is there is very little room for error, actually it's quite marginal, buggered if I know how to fix it but I know I am seeing it.

 

[Starcevich90]

Hasn't watching Travis Cloke struggle at times given us enough of example that it isn't that easy to play key forward in this team with the way we bring the ball in? Agree he can do more but looking at statistics he's in career best form. That's an indictment on us recruiting him rather than his performance IMO.

His marking attempts just frustrate the hell out of me in how unrealistic they are.

But agree with you 100% - it's not a potato's fault for being a potato.

 

[BeechyMagpie]

His marking attempts just frustrate the hell out of me in how unrealistic they are.

But agree with you 100% - it's not a potato's fault for being a potato.

I was watching Dawes before and similar attempts reminded of his efforts at collingwood so I do understand and agree. Dawes does this thing where he puts his hand up in the air, hands together with palms facing the middle of the ground and balls just bounce off him. Doesn't time a lead or jump and then extend the arms up to cushion the ball. It shits me

 

[jakson68]

Hopefully Moore will be a 100 game player approaching the quality of Cloke.
He has played 1 good game.
I am not putting any more expectation on him than that.

Point well put, as said in my original post, it may be emotion talking. I am glad there are people who can make me see sense.

 

[Ant85]

Things ain't going to get better until a few things are ironed out, when you rely on pressure pressure pressure all day long week after week, players get bloody tired as the season wears on, your game cannot be based around that primarily, it must be a by product of all the other things that win you games like a strong offence, defence and midfield.

When other teams (good teams) are smart enough to avoid the pressure or a highly contested game then we really struggle when it comes down to a skill based and ball movement scenario.

Not all players flourish when asked to be defensive first, Milne and Stevie J are just 2 examples but you make concessions for your really damaging players ours should be the same.

I'm prepared to stick with guys like Kennedy and Oxley who show a bit but need a consistent run at it over a few seasons, on the other hand some others have had their turn and it's clear they can't cut it.

I'm talking about Fasolo, waste of space and a flat track bully, when does he ever stand up more than once in 4 weeks? White is the same, Seedsman is on his last legs, Young gone and Goldsack offers nothing apart from effort.

With so many back flankers on the list we should be a much better springboard team from half back but when frost and Brown provide half your run then there are issues, These same back flankers to a man are terrible defensively in the air one on one but good at ground level, Teams have learnt to cherry pick inside 50 targets rather than bomb away, the short kick has been used to dismantle us this year by Hawthorn, Richmond did it especially well and again today by the dogs.

We still can't defend the corridor, you need to be able to hold the footy while moving it to do this, other sides have been cheating Dayne Beams style by banking on the fact we will turn it over and have 2 or 3 lined up in the corridor when it does happen and more often than not it does.

There are so many things wrong with this side at the moment and i feel that if 1 or 2 things break down in our structure or style then multiple problems appear in the way we play, the issue is there is very little room for error, actually it's quite marginal, buggered if I know how to fix it but I know I am seeing it.

That's a fair summary, but skills are not simply a matter of natural talent, it's also about mental strength.

Young players fumble, make errors under pressure, panic, and that's where we're at now. After several losses on the trot, they've lost confidence, and that's showing. It's also a test for Buckley to see whether he can get their focus back. He has the football brain, but whether he can get the young players to maintain confidence under pressure is a purely coaching challenge that has nothing to do with strategy.

Our best players today, for example, were our senior players (Pendles, Swan, Steele, Varcoe etc.), guys that can keep a cool head, and make the right decisions under pressure.

Bucks said earlier in the year during our wins that we play manic, pressure footy to compensate for our developing skills, which are several miles off Hawthorn.

Hopefully now we have a clearer picture, and we know what to recruit for. But don't stress, our skills will improve with more games under their belts. Look at Moore - was barely sighted in the first few weeks, came out today and showed us all that he's the future of our club.

 

[Kappa]

It hasn't really been mentioned at all but Crisp is in some pretty ordinary form at the moment. Regularly kicking the ball out of the full and very rarely sighted against the dogs.

 

[TradeDraft]

Scumps where Terrible