Roast Post your favourite opposition bitterness about our three-peat

[Rioli2Gunstall]

This. Can we just get a prema-link to a thread or two of theirs in here? They are so bitter.

"Our team at it's 07-09 best would beat this current lot."
"No way is this lot better than their own 80s team"
"Even the Melbourne teams that 3 peated are way better."

Mate they couldnt even beat the baby version of this team what hope are they now hahahaha

 

[JustKickIt]

We had that in 2013 AND 2014. Didn't stop us!

I know but I reckon they will try to up the ante again

 

[kimbopen]

I know but I reckon they will try to up the ante again

Bring it, bitches!

 

[krisholio14]

GeeLoLong supporters coming to terms with the fact that their dynasty bested is the best ever!

I don't have any problems if people want to think this Hawthorn team is better than we were. I'll take the three flags thanks very much, I don't care much for dick measuring contests.

Besides, I've seen better Hawthorn dynasties than this one

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I don't have any problems if people want to think this Hawthorn team is better than we were. I'll take the three flags thanks very much, I don't care much for dick measuring contests.

Besides, I've seen better Hawthorn dynasties than this one

3 flags since 2007 is pretty good. 4 flags since 2007 is even better.

Enjoy following a side that calls itself the 'greatest team of all' when you have only won one more premiership than Fitzroy.

 

[crazywildhorse]

I don't have any problems if people want to think this Hawthorn team is better than we were. I'll take the three flags thanks very much, I don't care much for dick measuring contests.

Besides, I've seen better Hawthorn dynasties than this one

2008-2008?

 

[krisholio14]

2008-2008?

Lol no. The 83-91 sides are the best I've seen.

 

[krisholio14]

3 flags since 2007 is pretty good. 4 flags since 2007 is even better.

Enjoy following a side that calls itself the 'greatest team of all' when you have only won one more premiership than Fitzroy.

I am enjoying it thanks very much

It might be your time now, but we'll be back, and hopefully you guys will be there or thereabouts to renew hostilities

 

[Thaihawk]

What I like most about the Melbourne stat is this:

1964
Melbourne - 12 premierships
Hawthorn - 1 premiership

2015
Melbourne - 12 premierships
Hawthorn - 13 premierships

Err... Who was taking over whom, in 1996? God forbid!

 

[aussie80s]

I went through the other day to check the records of teams that either didn't play a grand final or won through a challenge match (i.e. lost the final but played again as minor premiers)

Turns out the bombers have only won 12 legitimate grand finals. Carlton 14.

Not counting 1898-1908, where they had a strange Section system finals but did play Grand Finals amongst the teams that won their sections, then I think Carlton would still be on 16 but Essendon drop to 15. 1897 should have had an Essendon v Geelong GF and 1924 should have been Essendon v Richmond. If you were to strip Essendon then you would have to award them to Geelong and Richmond. I would retain Essendon but put an asterisk next to their total.
In the days of the challenge rule where minor premiers were given a free hit, the following teams lost a final (which would be result in elimination now) but went on to the Grand Final regardless with the following results:

1909 South 47 lost to Carlton 69 in the final but won the GF 38 to 36. Lucky as it prevented Carlton winning 4 in a row.
1910 Carlton 53 lost to South 65 in the 2nd SF but challenged Collingwood in the GF and lost that as well 61 to 47
1912 South lost to Ess in 2SF, challenged and also lost the GF to Ess
1913 Fitzroy lost the final to St.K but won when they challenged
1914 Carlton lost the final to South but won when they challenged
1915 Coll lost to Fitz in the 2SF and challenged Carlton in the GF but lost again
1916 Carl lost to Fitz in the final and again in the GF when they challenged allowing wooden spooner Fitz to also be premier in the 4 team comp.
1917 Coll lost final to Fitz but won the GF a week later when they challenged
1919 Coll lost to Rich in the final but won the GF when they challenged
1920 Rich lost 2SF to Carl but won the GF when they challenged Coll
1921 Carlton lost the final and GF to Rich
1922 Coll lost the 2SF and GF to Fitz
1923 Ess lost 2SF to South but beat Fitz in GF
1924 Finals series played with no GF. Ess won due to finishing ahead of Rich on percentage even though Rich won their final against Ess
1925 Geel lost 2SF to Melb but beat Coll in GF
1926 Coll lost 2SF and GF to Melb
1929 Coll lost 2SF to Rich (after having been undefeated in H&A) but won the GF challenge
1930 Coll lost final to Geel but won the GF challenge

It may be that the minor premiers never fully exerted themselves in their finals as they knew they had a double chance regardless of the result but if the finals between 1909 and 1930 were played on the McIntyre Final Four system then the following results would have occurred:

Year Actual Premier Deserved Premier under McIntyre system
1909 South Melb Carlton (which would have made Carlton 4 x premiers 1906,1907,1908 and 1909)
1910 Collingwood Collingwood
1911 Essendon Essendon
1912 Essendon Essendon
1913 Fitzroy St.Kilda
1914 Carlton South Melb
1915 Carlton Carlton
1916 Fitzroy Fitzroy
1917 Collingwood Fitzroy
1918 South Melb South Melb
1919 Collingwood Richmond
1920 Richmond Collingwood
1921 Richmond Richmond
1922 Fitzroy Fitzroy
1923 Essendon Fitzroy
1924 Essendon unknown as no GF played between Rich and Ess
1925 Geelong Collingwood
1926 Melbourne Melbourne
1927 Collingwood Collingwood
1928 Collingwood Collingwood
1929 Collingwood Richmond
1930 Collingwood Geelong

Current premiership list If modified
Carlton 16 Carlton 16 (gain 1909 but lose 1914)
Essendon 16 Essendon 15 (lose 1923) could be reduced by another 2 due to no GF in 1897 and 1924
Collingwood 15 Collingwood 13 (lose 1917, 1919, 1929 and 1930 but gain 1920 and 1925)
Hawthorn 13 Hawthorn 13
Melbourne 12 Melbourne 12
Richmond 10 Richmond 11 (gain 1919 and 1929 but lose 1920)
Geelong 9 Geelong 9 (lose 1925 but gain 1930)
Fitzroy 8 Fitzroy 9 (gain 1917 and 1923 but lose 1913
South/Syd 5 South/Syd 5 (gain 1914 but lose 1909)
St.Kilda 1 St.Kilda 2 (gain 1913)
all other teams remain unchanged

So overall not a big change. Collingwood are the luckiest that McIntyre had not introduced his system earlier as they would have lost 2 flags and their four in a row would have actually been only two and Carlton miss out on 4 in a row.

 

[IdiotBox]

What I like most about the Melbourne stat is this:

1964
Melbourne - 12 premierships
Hawthorn - 1 premiership

2015
Melbourne - 12 premierships
Hawthorn - 13 premierships

Cool. I was born in 1964 so I'm gonna use that useful piece of information a lot.

 

[Hong Kong Hawk]

I don't have any problems if people want to think this Hawthorn team is better than we were. I'll take the three flags thanks very much, I don't care much for dick measuring contests.

Besides, I've seen better Hawthorn dynasties than this one

I like the fact that in saying that you don't want a dick measuring contest, you actually engage in one. Albeit, you compare one Hawthorn dynasty to another, so really you are facilitating our own dick contest, which we can't lose.

FYI - see my earlier post re Geelong. You will find it very complimentary.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Oh I have no issues with Geelong FC as an organisation. I would only seek to deny them further success because 90% of their fanbase are mouth-breathing flogs of the highest order.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Listening to Akermanis after being asked if his lions were better, his answer is laughable. Of course he is biased but he said the lions are better due to the fact they didn't top up with players from other clubs and that they had 17 players win 3 in a row and then went on to say we only have 5. Obviously one of us can't count, as by my calculations we have the exact same number of players winning the 3peat at 17.
6 of them are 4 time hawk premiership players.
So Aker your argument is void.

I really cannot see why it is relevant where the players came from when determining who was better.

 

[Davo23]

I am enjoying it thanks very much

It might be your time now, but we'll be back, and hopefully you guys will be there or thereabouts to renew hostilities

You forget the Geelong dynasty of 1964 - 2006.

Just 42 years of failure!



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[Crankyhawk]

I think we might get the 'draw from hell' next year in an effort to stop us getting there again.

Likely draw
- double up vs north, WCE, Sydney, Richmond, port.
- away vs freo, GWS, Adelaide, Essendon, Carlton, dogs (all 3 at Etihad)
- port home game at Etihad
- Tasmania games Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, st kilda.
- multiple 6 day breaks.

 

[JoeHawk]

I think we might get the 'draw from hell' next year in an effort to stop us getting there again.

They tried that in 2013 and 14 and that didn't stop us.

 

[Bikefreak]

Err... Who was taking over whom, in 1996? God forbid!

Thank fork it never happened.

 

[Pessimistic]

Not counting 1898-1908, where they had a strange Section system finals but did play Grand Finals amongst the teams that won their sections, then I think Carlton would still be on 16 but Essendon drop to 15. 1897 should have had an Essendon v Geelong GF and 1924 should have been Essendon v Richmond. If you were to strip Essendon then you would have to award them to Geelong and Richmond. I would retain Essendon but put an asterisk next to their total.
In the days of the challenge rule where minor premiers were given a free hit, the following teams lost a final (which would be result in elimination now) but went on to the Grand Final regardless with the following results:

1909 South 47 lost to Carlton 69 in the final but won the GF 38 to 36. Lucky as it prevented Carlton winning 4 in a row.
1910 Carlton 53 lost to South 65 in the 2nd SF but challenged Collingwood in the GF and lost that as well 61 to 47
1912 South lost to Ess in 2SF, challenged and also lost the GF to Ess
1913 Fitzroy lost the final to St.K but won when they challenged
1914 Carlton lost the final to South but won when they challenged
1915 Coll lost to Fitz in the 2SF and challenged Carlton in the GF but lost again
1916 Carl lost to Fitz in the final and again in the GF when they challenged allowing wooden spooner Fitz to also be premier in the 4 team comp.
1917 Coll lost final to Fitz but won the GF a week later when they challenged
1919 Coll lost to Rich in the final but won the GF when they challenged
1920 Rich lost 2SF to Carl but won the GF when they challenged Coll
1921 Carlton lost the final and GF to Rich
1922 Coll lost the 2SF and GF to Fitz
1923 Ess lost 2SF to South but beat Fitz in GF
1924 Finals series played with no GF. Ess won due to finishing ahead of Rich on percentage even though Rich won their final against Ess
1925 Geel lost 2SF to Melb but beat Coll in GF
1926 Coll lost 2SF and GF to Melb
1929 Coll lost 2SF to Rich (after having been undefeated in H&A) but won the GF challenge
1930 Coll lost final to Geel but won the GF challenge

It may be that the minor premiers never fully exerted themselves in their finals as they knew they had a double chance regardless of the result but if the finals between 1909 and 1930 were played on the McIntyre Final Four system then the following results would have occurred:

Year Actual Premier Deserved Premier under McIntyre system
1909 South Melb Carlton (which would have made Carlton 4 x premiers 1906,1907,1908 and 1909)
1910 Collingwood Collingwood
1911 Essendon Essendon
1912 Essendon Essendon
1913 Fitzroy St.Kilda
1914 Carlton South Melb
1915 Carlton Carlton
1916 Fitzroy Fitzroy
1917 Collingwood Fitzroy
1918 South Melb South Melb
1919 Collingwood Richmond
1920 Richmond Collingwood
1921 Richmond Richmond
1922 Fitzroy Fitzroy
1923 Essendon Fitzroy
1924 Essendon unknown as no GF played between Rich and Ess
1925 Geelong Collingwood
1926 Melbourne Melbourne
1927 Collingwood Collingwood
1928 Collingwood Collingwood
1929 Collingwood Richmond
1930 Collingwood Geelong

Current premiership list If modified
Carlton 16 Carlton 16 (gain 1909 but lose 1914)
Essendon 16 Essendon 15 (lose 1923) could be reduced by another 2 due to no GF in 1897 and 1924
Collingwood 15 Collingwood 13 (lose 1917, 1919, 1929 and 1930 but gain 1920 and 1925)
Hawthorn 13 Hawthorn 13
Melbourne 12 Melbourne 12
Richmond 10 Richmond 11 (gain 1919 and 1929 but lose 1920)
Geelong 9 Geelong 9 (lose 1925 but gain 1930)
Fitzroy 8 Fitzroy 9 (gain 1917 and 1923 but lose 1913
South/Syd 5 South/Syd 5 (gain 1914 but lose 1909)
St.Kilda 1 St.Kilda 2 (gain 1913)
all other teams remain unchanged

So overall not a big change. Collingwood are the luckiest that McIntyre had not introduced his system earlier as they would have lost 2 flags and their four in a row would have actually been only two and Carlton miss out on 4 in a row.

Thats incredible. Werent they also wanting to also include association premierships ? Would have been totally confusing

 

[Power freak 2008]

And now Kool Aid Koch saying that interstate teams don't get enough MCG time and pointing out that our three grand final wins are against interstate teams. What about the Victorian teams who play at the MCG, but were so shit they didn't make it to the finals to start with? Under this logic, Collingwood would be the greatest team of all time.

We love Kochie and yes he is seriously biased. Interstate teams (or at least my team could do with more of a run on the G.

As for Hawthorne. Your success is even harder in these times when equalization is trying to drag you down and we all have been starved of top end draft picks. What has sustained you is a game plan which has a good balance between attack and defense, a fitness trainer that you pinched from us years ago who knows what he is doing, a culture of hard work and a coach that has provided a culture for success (also pinched from us years ago). Can't blame you if you make the right decisions across the board. If we were good enough we would have pinched staff from you. Personally I would love to have a thread like this where we can bask in the glory of our achievements but alas, tarps, financial woes and the death of one of our players.

You get what you deserve and that is what you've got. We love playing your team because even if we have had some wins we know which teams are the benchmark. Always exciting even when you guys are playing below par. There is a lo of respect for your team at our board but we want to be the team that meets you in the Gran Final (and beats you of course).

As for Rioli. I don't think he is as good as he could be. Deserved the Coleman but he is actually a better player. I think people don't realize that as AFL players get older they can't push their bodies as hard as they used to so they use experience and guile. I think people expect Rioli to be doing this.

 

[Billyc]

I don't have any problems if people want to think this Hawthorn team is better than we were. I'll take the three flags thanks very much, I don't care much for dick measuring contests.

Besides, I've seen better Hawthorn dynasties than this one

So why are you in this thread on the Hawks board if you don't care.

No back to back for cats. Certainly no back to back to back. Had Geelong won in 08 they'd be in the conversation. But they didn't. At the peak of their era they couldn't even beat Hawks at the absolute infancy of ours.

Geelongs two premiership captains - Harley and Ling - have conceded the Hawks are better. Not going to concern ourselves with some internet guys.

Happy to have the debate with Brisbane as to which is the greatest. I'd take ours given no salary cap advantages and the adversity this club has been through.

This thread is enjoyable!

 

[crazywildhorse]

I remember when the Eagles fans were all, 'but we've won the most AFL flags'. It was a big deal for them. Had they beaten us, it would have squared up the ledger. Instead, we went 2 ahead of them (and GeeLoL, Bris)

 

[Boot Studder]

We love Kochie and yes he is seriously biased. Interstate teams (or at least my team could do with more of a run on the G.

As for Rioli. I don't think he is as good as he could be. Deserved the Coleman but he is actually a better player. I think people don't realize that as AFL players get older they can't push their bodies as hard as they used to so they use experience and guile. I think people expect Rioli to be doing this.

Wow, did he win that, too?! Here I was thinking that he only won the Norm Smith!

 

[Roby]

I posted this is the Lions v Cats v Hasks dynasty thread on the main board.



They say that the good teams and the great teams are separated in September, do the finals record for the three separate the great from the legendary?

Best Worst

Brisbane
6 finals series (3 premieships, 4 GF, 9 PF) 18 finals 1999-2004 @ 26 pts aggregate (median 38)
14 wins 4 losses (78% win ratio), average winning margin 46, losing 45.5


Geelong
10 finals series (3 premierships, 4 GF, 11 PF) 26 finals 2004-2014 @ 18 pts aggregate (median 11)
15 wins 11 losses (58% win ratio), average winning margin 45, losing 20


Hawthorn
9 finals series (4 premierships, 5 GF, 11 PF) 22 finals 2007-2015(continued?) @ 18 pts aggregate (median 20.5)
16 wins 6 losses (73% win ratio) average winning margin 33.5, losing 23

 

[JustKickIt]

Wow, did he win that, too?! Here I was thinking that he only won the Norm Smith!

I think he was in the running for the meat tray at the local as well.