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[swansfan51]

Will be interesting to see 35 yo buddy's output compared to 25 yo boyds

This has made me curious and I've done a bit of digging - stats seem to be limited but I've been unable to find a Swans player older than Goodes last year (35) so Franklin could become our oldest ever player. 35 is older than everyone in the league except Brent Harvey

 

[BarneyBent]

You could equally have said that Boyd in his prime at 25 will be getting paid half a million dollars less than a 35yo Franklin, but I guess that doesn't suit the argument as much

I still don't see the problem tbh. Boyd has shown very little. There's no evidence he won't still be totally average at that age. I don't think so, I think he'll develop into a solid player, but still, even if Franklin doesn't make it to the end of his contract, he's well on track to have made it worth it (from an off-field perspective at the very least).

Boyd's contract may prove to be a master stroke in time, but it's looking unlikely.

 

[McRobie]

This has made me curious and I've done a bit of digging - stats seem to be limited but I've been unable to find a Swans player older than Goodes last year (35) so Franklin could become our oldest ever player. 35 is older than everyone in the league except Brent Harvey

Realistically we know he will retire 1 or 2 years before hos contract expires, which will be of a massive burden to us, that's why we have to win a flag to justify this move. On tje bright side when his contract expires imagine the cap space we will have!!

 

[Number37]

You could equally have said that Boyd in his prime at 25 will be getting paid half a million dollars less than a 35yo Franklin, but I guess that doesn't suit the argument as much

Easily refuted:
1. You are assuming (a) that Boyd in his prime will fulfil his potential and/or (b) Buddy will be no good when he is 35
1a. If you were to make a judgement based on the facts right now, Buddy at 35 will still be miles better than Boyd at 25.
2. When Buddy was signed he was in the top echelon of players league-wide. Boyd wasn't even best 22.
2a. Buddy's contract was designed specifically to get the deal done.
2b. Buddy is getting paid his true value. Boyd is getting paid on potential.

 

[kickthething]

I have to admit it does make me feel a bit sick we will be paying a 36 year old a million bucks.....

Bud will not be any ordinary 36 year old

 

[McRobie]

Bud will not be any ordinary 36 year old

At 36 he will be in the Bahamas drinking cocktails on our dollar.

 

[BarneyBent]

At 36 he will be in the Bahamas drinking cocktails on our dollar.

Pretty sure if he retires, he doesn't get paid, so no. Will still be counted in our salary cap, but he doesn't get the money.

 

[McRobie]

Pretty sure if he retires, he doesn't get paid, so no. Will still be counted in our salary cap, but he doesn't get the money.

Oh really? OK I didn't know that....even still it hurts us.

 

[Teddy chester]

Oh really? OK I didn't know that....even still it hurts us.

And he will be drinking cocktails on his previous swans paycheck

 

[Punts]

He gets paid if he retires

 

[DavyRed]

Pretty sure if he retires, he doesn't get paid, so no. Will still be counted in our salary cap, but he doesn't get the money.

Whether he actually gets paid or not isn't the issue. The issue is whether the money he would have got paid still counts in the salary cap - and it will. So there is a possibility that he could have been retired for a couple of years but his $1M+ p.a. salary is still clogging up our cap.

 

[Superstar swan]

Im all for the budd move and imo it has already paid off without winning a flag.. However i am sceptical about how buddy will perform as he gets older... Hes by no means over weight but has put on a considerable amount of weight since his mod 20's. Thats fine as long as a player is a strong marker, but buddy isnt and requires alot of pace and agility to beat his opponents.

Anyway its a few years away to worry about it now, doesnt look like slowing down anytime soon

 

[Superstar swan]

Whether he actually gets paid or not isn't the issue. The issue is whether the money he would have got paid still counts in the salary cap - and it will. So there is a possibility that he could have been retired for a couple of years but his $1M+ p.a. salary is still clogging up our cap.

Too soon to be worrying about that, who knows the cap may have reached a point by then that makes budds 1m relative to 6 or 700 now, which every teams carries the same risk for good players these days.

P.s our club is alot smarter than the afl, i imagine we have some loophole if push comes to shove

 

[miggs]

Desperation is a stinky cologne...

Weve all been there.

2am in a dark dingy pub. Beer goggles well and truly on. We have a saying around here.

At 2am everyones a 10

 

[DavyRed]

Too soon to be worrying about that, who knows the cap may have reached a point by then that makes budds 1m relative to 6 or 700 now, which every teams carries the same risk for good players these days.

P.s our club is alot smarter than the afl, i imagine we have some loophole if push comes to shove

Yes, correct, I was just pointing out that what he actually gets paid and what's considered relevant for the salary cap can be two very different things.

 

[Teddy chester]

Buddy has played awesome since he arrived and the club is in a great spot with a young list due to the buddy ban. All hail the bud!

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Will be interesting to see 35 yo buddy's output compared to 25 yo boyds

I have to admit it does make me feel a bit sick we will be paying a 36 year old a million bucks.....

I believe that he will make it to that age, or come very close. He's one of those players that rarely injured and those players tend to have longevity.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

This has made me curious and I've done a bit of digging - stats seem to be limited but I've been unable to find a Swans player older than Goodes last year (35) so Franklin could become our oldest ever player. 35 is older than everyone in the league except Brent Harvey

Whilst you're there can you look up the oldest player in the Magoos in 2022? I can just picture Buddy running around in the NEAFL with his team mates, Emilio Kennedy and Beau Richards.

 

[Number37]

Whilst you're there can you look up the oldest player in the Magoos in 2022? I can just picture Buddy running around in the NEAFL with his team mates, Emilio Kennedy and Beau Richards.

7 year old Emilio and 6 year old Beau playing NEAFL?

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Weve all been there.

2am in a dark dingy pub. Beer goggles well and truly on. We have a saying around here.

At 2am everyones a 10

And thank god for that.

 

[Lakeside Swan]

7 year old Emilio and 6 year old Beau playing NEAFL?

Yes. Absolutely.

Of course not. It's a joke pointing out that he'll be really, really old. It's not literal.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Too soon to be worrying about that, who knows the cap may have reached a point by then that makes budds 1m relative to 6 or 700 now, which every teams carries the same risk for good players these days.

P.s our club is alot smarter than the afl, i imagine we have some loophole if push comes to shove

Easy....a contract revision as retirement Looms reducing income to nil. Don't know the rules but I suspect that if both parties agree then afl is duty bound to honour the financial terms of the contract as it relates to TPP...... Just like it does with all new contract replacements/upgrades etc

 

[Lakeside Swan]

Easy....a contract revision as retirement Looms reducing income to nil. Don't know the rules but I suspect that if both parties agree then afl is duty bound to honour the financial terms of the contract as it relates to TPP...... Just like it does with all new contract replacements/upgrades etc

Buddy would of course have to agree to that. If he was inclined to do so then why didn't he agree to a shorter term at the time the contract was signed?

 

[Bandicoot]

Easy....a contract revision as retirement Looms reducing income to nil. Don't know the rules but I suspect that if both parties agree then afl is duty bound to honour the financial terms of the contract as it relates to TPP...... Just like it does with all new contract replacements/upgrades etc

The AFL (Mike Fitzpatrick in particular) were so pissed off when he went to Sydney instead of their love child GWS, made it very clear to the Swans at the time. "Buddy's contract figures WILL be in your salary cap for the period of his contract no matter the circumstances in the future."
If Bud was run over by a bus tomorrow Fitzpatrick would have the biggest smile. We can only hope that he gets run over instead.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Buddy would of course have to agree to that. If he was inclined to do so then why didn't he agree to a shorter term at the time the contract was signed?

Because they had to have a contract that hawthorn wouldn't match......and at that time he wouldn't know when he'd retire. If he decides to retire early then neither party is harmed by negotiating it afresh as nil or $1 PY. If he goes right through of course the contract would be honoured but if he goes early then they simply renegotiate it for $1 PY. That way I can't see how afl could challenge it