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Richmond have been very ordinary for 3 years now and Dow and other youngsters have been unable to force their way into the senior side. It is more likely that most of our juniors are a bust. The Dow love is over the top. When playing seniors he was RS other than a couple of cameo performances late in the season. He’s not quick, can’t kick and I just can’t see what the hype on him is. He’ll get his chance but I would not be hanging our hopes on him. If McAuliffe is showing some early form I’d go with him over Dow. Most top midfielders show early signs and Dow hasn’t.
Dow was an undersized inside mid when he first started. The young, good inside mids are always the one's that are either guns from day one, Ashcroft, or the bigger bodied young ones like Horne Francis, Reid or further down the draft Worpel. So right from the start Dow was up against it size wise for his position. They tried him early on a flank and he never really got going in the middle either.

He needed a good year in the VFL to learn what it takes to play that position. He played one game in 18 months because he wasn't up to it, mentally or physically. Unlike a player like Edwards who was also light but had multiple positions due to his speed and clever footy brain, he wasn't gifted games because unlike the rabble we were when Edwards started, we were a triple Premierships side with a gun midfield. He was never going to break into that side.

Bide his time he did, and when he got 3 games at the end of the year, he could not have been much more impressive. His game against Port's pretty good midfield was a sign of what he might be capable of on a more regular basis. He has plenty of aspects of his game to improve on, but his hands off the deck and quick lateral movement really seperate him from anyone else in our midfield other than Bolton. He like Bolton needed to get stronger and fitter to play this position.

Yes he is far from pencilled in, but surely you can't right him off now and play a kid in his place just when he starts showing something. McAuliffe may replace him, but who right now he is being slightly over-egged. He only went at 18 disposals a game in the Champs, average for an inside mid, something you tend to judge a player by (RCD for example), and he fell to pick 40 so he has some work to do.
 
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Richmond have been very ordinary for 3 years now and Dow and other youngsters have been unable to force their way into the senior side. It is more likely that most of our juniors are a bust. The Dow love is over the top. When playing seniors he was RS other than a couple of cameo performances late in the season. He’s not quick, can’t kick and I just can’t see what the hype on him is. He’ll get his chance but I would not be hanging our hopes on him. If McAuliffe is showing some early form I’d go with him over Dow. Most top midfielders show early signs and Dow hasn’t.
I reckon our coaches were all pig headed and stuck with what worked instead of trying to improve. Hard for the younger guys to push into the side if they aren't even being considered, would be very frustrating and sure-fire way to lose motivation. I reckon Sonsie is the perfect example. How many years was Ross cast aside? We started to play him a bit more consistently and he had his best year in 2023.
 

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MY point is that most of our juniors incl Dow have been way under exposed due to the success we’ve had , hopefully that’s the first thing that changes under new stewardship
That’s been our big mistake since 21

22 was pretty good in all fairness regularly playing 6-8 youngsters and no coincidence we played some good footy
 
That’s been our big mistake since 21

22 was pretty good in all fairness regularly playing 6-8 youngsters and no coincidence we played some good footy
Think last year was pretty similar to 22 tbf
It’s just that Lynch who is easily our most important player only played 4 games

We still played quite a few younger players
Clarke played 13
Mansell played 17
Hugo played 13
Ross played 19
Ryan played 15
Young played 19
Rioli played 10
Cumbo 9

& that’s not counting the others who also played a handful like Coulthard who played 4, Banks with 6, Bauer and Dow 4 and 1 for Brown and Trezise

Throw in the fact we needed to find two spots in the 22 for Taranto (every game ) and Hopper (16 games)
 
Think last year was pretty similar to 22 tbf
It’s just that Lynch who is easily our most important player only played 4 games

We still played quite a few younger players
Clarke played 13
Mansell played 17
Hugo played 13
Ross played 19
Ryan played 15
Young played 19
Rioli played 10
Cumbo 9

& that’s not counting the others who also played a handful like Coulthard who played 4, Banks with 6, Bauer and Dow 4 and 1 for Brown and Trezise

Throw in the fact we needed to find two spots in the 22 for Taranto (every game ) and Hopper (16 games)
Not many mids in that list though Moose. I think our mids have been the hardest area to break into, as I mentioned though, i believe its partly due to the coaches going with what worked in the past than trying to improve.
 
Not many mids in that list though Moose. I think our mids have been the hardest area to break into, as I mentioned though, i believe its partly due to the coaches going with what worked in the past than trying to improve.
Think it’s more due to Taranto and Hopper more than anything else we had two find room for them in the side and essentially got the games the kids would have throw in Cotch and Prestia that’s 4 full time mids last year plus guys like Shai, Dusty and Baker who rotate it doesn’t exactly leave a huge amount of room for Dow and Sonsie who are also essentially pure mids and difficult to carry on the bench over more versatile options
 
Think it’s more due to Taranto and Hopper more than anything else we had two find room for them in the side and essentially got the games the kids would have throw in Cotch and Prestia that’s 4 full time mids last year plus guys like Shai, Dusty and Baker who rotate it doesn’t exactly leave a huge amount of room for Dow and Sonsie who are also essentially pure mids and difficult to carry on the bench over more versatile options

Yeah I agree, it is difficult, Dimma had his favourites when those core players were injured etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but would have been interesting to see how those young guys went even if they were rotated through the side more often. I think getting Hopper & Tarranto also pushed them back last year because Dimma had hoped for a finals push.

I just disagree with some others opinions that our young guys are no good because they couldnt get into the senior side, its why with a new coach I really hope we see these younger guys, I think they are good enough with time.
 
Yeah I agree, it is difficult, Dimma had his favourites when those core players were injured etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but would have been interesting to see how those young guys went even if they were rotated through the side more often. I think getting Hopper & Tarranto also pushed them back last year because Dimma had hoped for a finals push.

I just disagree with some others opinions that our young guys are no good because they couldnt get into the senior side, its why with a new coach I really hope we see these younger guys, I think they are good enough with time.
Yeah that’s it
It will be interesting this year and I definitely hope we see more of the likes of Dow and Sonsie especially with Cotch moved on

Could also possibly have Dusty/Shai spend more time forward giving more opportunities for kids around the ball but in the same breath they are our most damaging and dynamic midfielders

Also having one or both of them spend more time forward potentially means Cumbo continues to miss out if we want to play Lynch, Balta and Kozi forward as well

Looking forward to seeing how it all shakes out and how Yze tries to balance the Vets v Youth
 
Theyre going to upload a full replay on the website how sexy is that
Only way they could make it better is if they get that pommy campaigner who vfl commentator to call the game

Love that prick
 
Only way they could make it better is if they get that pommy campaigner who vfl commentator to call the game

Love that prick
that campaigner should replace bt and braynshaw on 7
 

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that campaigner should replace bt and braynshaw on 7
Almost all the vfl broadcast team are better they actually call the play and know the players names instead of saying the same stupid shit every game

Should just promote the lot of them except that guy that does the camera who breathes super loud
 
I reckon our coaches were all pig headed and stuck with what worked instead of trying to improve. Hard for the younger guys to push into the side if they aren't even being considered, would be very frustrating and sure-fire way to lose motivation. I reckon Sonsie is the perfect example. How many years was Ross cast aside? We started to play him a bit more consistently and he had his best year in 2023.
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Again I have to disagree with Dow. He is just not that quick. He is average in pace and I question lack of endurance. Not saying he cant improve but I dont think his top speed will improve.

May end up a Hopper type but needs to improve his endurance.

He is an average kick and his ratio of Handballs to Kicks is to high. He needs to kick more but may be found out in Yze's world of precise kicking.
Not saying he is fast over 20-30m, but when he gets the ball his first 5m is very fast especially laterally which he uses to get a bit of space. Once he really adjusts to the tempo I think his disposal should also improve. Nobody had Shedda doing what he did at his peak in the early stages of his career, although he was a bit special.
 
Think last year was pretty similar to 22 tbf
It’s just that Lynch who is easily our most important player only played 4 games

We still played quite a few younger players
Clarke played 13
Mansell played 17
Hugo played 13
Ross played 19
Ryan played 15
Young played 19
Rioli played 10
Cumbo 9

& that’s not counting the others who also played a handful like Coulthard who played 4, Banks with 6, Bauer and Dow 4 and 1 for Brown and Trezise

Throw in the fact we needed to find two spots in the 22 for Taranto (every game ) and Hopper (16 games)
I can't remember where I read it today, but we have the 5th oldest list but one of the least exposed (number of games) of players under 23 in the league. All sides play their young players, but players like many of that list have been with us for 4-5 year, so it is not many games per year in that respect.
 
Really? No interest in what the new coach brings to the group? No interest in how the younger players on the list perform? No interest in a new lineup which will inevitably happen?
Geez, we’ve been really spoilt winning those three flags. I can’t wait to see how the next tiger team takes shape. Could be a little bumpy to start with given new coach and game style tweaks but looking forward to seeing what transpires
All that’s irrelevant unless the GFL become honest and a sporting Organisation rather than the most corrupt sporting body in the world
 
I can't remember where I read it today, but we have the 5th oldest list but one of the least exposed (number of games) of players under 23 in the league. All sides play their young players, but players like many of that list have been with us for 4-5 year, so it is not many games per year in that respect.
It’s difficult because although we did go hard in the 21 draft during the 2020 draft we only picked up two players (Sampson Ryan & Rioli Jr) if we had gone harder in that draft that number could look quite different (games into players under 23) not to mention Gibcus missing last year essentially cost us another 20 games in that metric

Only time will tell if it was a wise decision or not
 
I reckon our coaches were all pig headed and stuck with what worked instead of trying to improve. Hard for the younger guys to push into the side if they aren't even being considered, would be very frustrating and sure-fire way to lose motivation. I reckon Sonsie is the perfect example. How many years was Ross cast aside? We started to play him a bit more consistently and he had his best year in 2023.
You’re right about the coaches. At the end of 2016 Richmond forced Hardwick to change his assistants and freshen up the coaching and that certainly contributed to the success of 2017. One of Hardwick strengths and weaknesses was his (blind) loyalty.
 

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