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you can see phillpou's crutches next to jones :( :(
Add to that what looks like a moon boot, and that his right foot is clearly off the ground…

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Well not quite correct as Marshall was picked up by St Kilda with the intent more him to be a key forward, or perhaps ruck forward. But as you say when the other rucks all went down Marshall was given the opportunity to ruck in the firsts and

At 201cm, the versatile key position player won the Roosters best first-year player award in his first season in the VFL in 2015, but was starved of opportunity in the final year of North Ballarat’s alignment with North Melbourne.



Or Caminiti in defence.

I have my doubts still on Heath, and Dodson is still a bit light but looks every 2.54cm to be a future ruck for us.
Please talk about Caminiti as a key defender.
Has he proven he is capable.
 

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Running or working players until they break down can and should never be considered a positive. He is a 20yo kid what do you think his parents are thinking? What will they be saying to Matteus about our injury prevention systems and how we are managing their son. How does that effect our chances of the kid wanting to stay long term? The knock effects are huge and they are far more damaging than the positives.

The old knock em down grab another player mentality went out in the 70's & 80's, but it seems Lyon hasnt caught up yet!

Is it the clubs fault?

What if Pou was doing extras in his own time? Or wasn't working with the recommendation on form? Or who lifting & telling the coaches he "feels fine"?

What if one of his mates saw something from an influencer like Dr Mike or Milo Wolf and thought "this will take Pou next level!" and they tried to extend him beyond the program?

All sorts of shit could have happened.

With 45 players on the list there will always be injuries.

This doesn't even consider the idea that someone like Pou might be genetically more injury prone.

Look at guys like Cerra or Prestia.

Absolutely agree that the club should investigate and make sure everyone was following the recommended process but the critical thing is how we prep the next man up.

Guys like Windy, Owens, Carroll, Dow, Trav & Box just got a huge opportunity to claim big midfield time.

Who REALLY wants it?
 
Transactional terms that might work, but gee I absolutely love watching NAS play.


I would pay Nas what ever he wants. He's the best player we've drafted since the early 2000s. Butters would be easier to replace.
 
Better for the team in bursts for sure.
But as full-time?
I guess you are suggesting that the team as a whole, even when Sincs is not optimally used in so far as his own singular strengths are concerned, is better off.

I feel it’s a bit like getting a Lamborghini to tow the trailer down to the tip, but if it gets the job done, and the Lambo doesn’t get injured in the process, maybe it’s a win?

I just love to see Sincs streaming off the backline, don’t we all?

One thing to support your idea might be that there seems to be a few halfback options.
One thing against is that, without Battle, Wilkie is gonna be under the pump, and the class of Sincs back there would be welcome.
It's definitely a robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario, but half back is easier to cover.

I know he is better at half back, but I think if we gave Sincs an extended run in the middle he would remain a star of the competition.

When he was fit and firing in 23 he was very good when playing on ball. His creativity paired with Steele and McRaes inside work would make for a very nice midfield.

I am just sick and tired of being slaughtered through the middle. We can run around again with the likes of Jones and Clark who are decent, but they are not guns.

Let's put out best players in the middle and figure it out from there.

Lots of options for half back. Hastie, Windhager, Schoey, Trav, possibly Tauru. One of them has an opportunity to lock down the attacking half back role.
 
I would pay Nas what ever he wants. He's the best player we've drafted since the early 2000s. Butters would be easier to replace.
Butters (2xAA) is a much better player than Nas and plays in a role - fast mid/fwd - that is severely lacking in personnel both at our club and across the competition. Very arguable to say he is easier to replace

If Nas leaves then we have Travaglia, Arie, Hastie all vying for that spot as kids who could be very good players. We have no one that projects to be close to Butters' level in the same role
 
Butters (2xAA) is a much better player than Nas and plays in a role - fast mid/fwd - that is severely lacking in personnel both at our club and across the competition. Very arguable to say he is easier to replace

If Nas leaves then we have Travaglia, Arie, Hastie all vying for that spot as kids who could be very good players. We have no one that projects to be close to Butters' level in the same role


So far Butters is higher profile and probably at his peak. Nas is 21 and hasn't even scratched the surface. It's easier to find quality mids than a distributing HB.

To me Butters is a gun but he's not going to move the needle. Probably replaces Steele or Macrae longer term but he's not going to absolutely change the side. Losing Nas would. It would be a decision that we regret for a long time.

 

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Surely Schoenmaker would be your best bet for rising star at this stage? Would think he would be involved a lot from half back.
Eamonn Armstrong.

Put your house on it. Seriously. ALL your savings.
 
So far Butters is higher profile and probably at his peak. Nas is 21 and hasn't even scratched the surface. It's easier to find quality mids than a distributing HB.

To me Butters is a gun but he's not going to move the needle. Probably replaces Steele or Macrae longer term but he's not going to absolutely change the side. Losing Nas would. It would be a decision that we regret for a long time.

Butters made the All Australian squad in his second season and at 24, isn’t close to his peak

If it was easier to find quality mids than HBs then guys like Daicos, Sheezel, Laird, Richards, Crisp wouldn’t move into the midfield

Butters is a different type of player to anyone we have - he doesn’t really replace anyone. He’s 10x more damaging than Steele ever was and is more a burst out of stoppage player than Macrae who is a ball-winner
 
I think it is fair to say, nobody knows how good NAS is yet.

Slow moving (speed and time) and silky, and balanced with beautiful poise, hands and fingers like magnets, ground sense, his best hasn’t been fully revealed, but neither have his weaknesses. They will be revealed this year. In fact, he wasn’t immune from the odd mistake late last season and got caught out a few times. We know the oppo strategists will be on to him now.

And we know the media will start bangin’ on about Port Adelaide chasing him as the season wears on. Let’s hope Port have a pretty terrible season.

This Butters guy, we have seen his best surely? Could he be like a MaCrae? Superstar General in his mid-20s, regular foot soldier at 30?
 
I think it is fair to say, nobody knows how good NAS is yet.

Slow moving (speed and time) and silky, and balanced with beautiful poise, hands and fingers like magnets, ground sense, his best hasn’t been fully revealed, but neither have his weaknesses. They will be revealed this year. In fact, he wasn’t immune from the odd mistake late last season and got caught out a few times. We know the oppo strategists will be on to him now.

And we know the media will start bangin’ on about Port Adelaide chasing him as the season wears on. Let’s hope Port have a pretty terrible season.

This Butters guy, we have seen his best surely? Could he be like a MaCrae? Superstar General in his mid-20s, regular foot soldier at 30?
The fact that people think Butters has hit his peak at age 24 proves how good he is now, and how good he could get when he’s truly at peak age of ~26+. For reference, same age as Izak Rankine

The kid could win a Brownlow

I love Nas but he’s not at the level Butters was when he was 21. Could still catch up though
 
Butters made the All Australian squad in his second season and at 24, isn’t close to his peak

If it was easier to find quality mids than HBs then guys like Daicos, Sheezel, Laird, Richards, Crisp wouldn’t move into the midfield

Butters is a different type of player to anyone we have - he doesn’t really replace anyone. He’s 10x more damaging than Steele ever was and is more a burst out of stoppage player than Macrae who is a ball-winner
Nas should have made the squad twice now, he could still be anything, butters is great but you're sleeping on nas's potential
 
The fact that people think Butters has hit his peak at age 24 proves how good he is now, and how good he could get when he’s truly at peak age of ~26+. For reference, same age as Izak Rankine

The kid could win a Brownlow

I love Nas but he’s not at the level Butters was when he was 21. Could still catch up though
Butter's 3rd season was bog average and likely marred by injury. He didnt get going again properly until 2023.

Im not sure why we're all comparing two very different players but at that age NAS has him covered comfortably.
 
Butters made the All Australian squad in his second season and at 24, isn’t close to his peak

If it was easier to find quality mids than HBs then guys like Daicos, Sheezel, Laird, Richards, Crisp wouldn’t move into the midfield

Butters is a different type of player to anyone we have - he doesn’t really replace anyone. He’s 10x more damaging than Steele ever was and is more a burst out of stoppage player than Macrae who is a ball-winner


Still not swapping Nas for him.
 

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