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Had a good chuckle earlier when Jon Faine handed Samantha Ratnam her arse live on radio.

Is there a link?

 

[Bombermania]

Professionals aren’t automatic liberals. And most of them have a professional association

Professional types were suppose to be the Liberal Party base as Menzies intended, even today sections of the ALP view professional types with skepticism.

 

[DaRick]

Professionals aren’t automatic liberals. And most of them have a professional association

Said associations tend to be guilds rather than unions in their case though.

You're right in saying that many vote ALP/Greens but that's because the LNP has an increasingly audience-alienating platform and said professionals often have some sense of noblesse oblige (IMO the LNP hasn't for a long time).

 

[Bombermania]

Professionals aren’t automatic liberals. And most of them have a professional association

Said associations tend to be guilds rather than unions in their case though.

You're right in saying that many vote ALP/Greens but that's because the LNP has an increasingly audience-alienating platform and said professionals often have some sense of noblesse oblige (IMO the LNP hasn't for a long time).

Professional associations offer a different set of services then the services offered by unions, and in some industries there are both professional associations and unions, and it could be argued that unions might benefit from developing into professional associations.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Is there a link?

Have no idea. I listened to it live.

I do love Faine interviewing pollies. There's a reason a lot won't go near him or come back for a 2nd helping. If they're idiots, he brings it out.

Will be a sad day when he hangs up the microphone.

 

[Doss]

Faine is a bit of an arrogant prick but he is also a smart arrogant prick. As HHH said, he's often pretty amazing to listen to when interviewing pollies, because he's like a dog with a bone and his intolerance for pollie double speak and buzz words is pretty virulent.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Faine is a bit of an arrogant prick but he is also a smart arrogant prick. As HHH said, he's often pretty amazing to listen to when interviewing pollies, because he's like a dog with a bone and his intolerance for pollie double speak and buzz words is pretty virulent.

He really tore Samantha Ratnam a new one on the Monday morning after the election.

I don't really like either of them, but sure was amazing to listen to.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Faine is a bit of an arrogant prick but he is also a smart arrogant prick. As HHH said, he's often pretty amazing to listen to when interviewing pollies, because he's like a dog with a bone and his intolerance for pollie double speak and buzz words is pretty virulent.

Peter Costello used to say he hated doing interviews with Faine, because he would "chase a talking point down a rabbit hole"

 

[Benny78]

Do you guys think Andrews can win after this red shirts scandal?

 

[The Punter]

Kroger resigned late on a Friday afternoon hoping the media wouldn't notice, and the public would notice even less

He announced it at a regular meeting which always takes place on Friday nights.

 

[eth-dog]

Do you guys think Andrews can win after this red shirts scandal?

I dunno, might be tight for him

 

[Groucho]

Do you guys think Andrews can win after this red shirts scandal?

Oh I wouldn't have thought so. The Herald Sun and Neil Mitchell have done a great job of putting it uppermost in everyones minds that surely he's a gonner.

 

[Pessimistic]

Professional associations offer a different set of services then the services offered by unions, and in some industries there are both professional associations and unions, and it could be argued that unions might benefit from developing into professional associations.

While associations aren't unions, professionals would be in associations at much higher rates than workers in unions. not quite closed shops but close

 

[Bomberboyokay]

The Coalition could count themselves very lucky to win the seat of Sandringham, because at one stage it looked like it would go to Labor.

If Michael O'Brien (as expected) becomes the new Opposition Leader, he will have his work cut out for him. It will be at least 2-3 terms before the elecotrate could consider giving the Coalition another shot at government.

Politics has changed in the last decade and it won't be changing back. Anything that happened more than half a day ago feels like old news. Coalition would have to be trying to fail to not get back within 12 years.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

While associations aren't unions, professionals would be in associations at much higher rates than workers in unions. not quite closed shops but close

Can you practice law or medicine in Australia without being a member of their respective associations?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Updated upper house vote count:

ALP: 19 (previously 14)
Liberal: 9 (previously 14)
Derryn Hinch Justice Party: 4 (previously none)
Transport Matters: 2 (previously none)
Greens: 1 (previously 5)
Nationals: 1 (previously 2)
Shooters Fishers and Farmers: 1 (previously 2)
Liberal Democrats: 1 (previously none)
Sustainable Australia: 1 (previously none)
Animal Justice Party: 1 (previously none)

First on the agenda, new legislation to abolish group voting tickets for the upper house.

Federal, NSW and SA elections have already done this, Victoria should join them.

 

[eth-dog]

Updated upper house vote count:

ALP: 19 (previously 14)
Liberal: 9 (previously 14)
Derryn Hinch Justice Party: 4 (previously none)
Transport Matters: 2 (previously none)
Greens: 1 (previously 5)
Nationals: 1 (previously 2)
Shooters Fishers and Farmers: 1 (previously 2)
Liberal Democrats: 1 (previously none)
Sustainable Australia: 1 (previously none)
Animal Justice Party: 1 (previously none)

First on the agenda, new legislation to abolish group voting tickets for the upper house.

Federal, NSW and SA elections have already done this, Victoria should join them.

These three sicken me. Derryn Hinch should have none, the "Transport Matters" Party is basically whinging ex cabbies and the "Sustainable Australia" Party are a bunch of racists who's main platform is to stop Muslim immigration. I really hope anything those three put up is shut down by the ALP and Coalition immediately.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

These three sicken me. Derryn Hinch should have none, the "Transport Matters" Party is basically whinging ex cabbies and the "Sustainable Australia" Party are a bunch of racists who's main platform is to stop Muslim immigration. I really hope anything those three put up is shut down by the ALP and Coalition immediately.

The two divisions that Transport Matters look like getting a candidate up in are Eastern Metro and South-Eastern Metro.

In Eastern Metro, the ALP had Transport Matters 2nd on their group voting ticket, ahead of the Greens in 3rd. I can't see why they would have done this, but according to ABC website that was the deal.

Again In South-Eastern Metro, the ALP had Transport Matters before the Greens on their group voting ticket (technically they had two independents after their candidates but Transport Matters were 3rd and Greens 4th).

On the face of it, the ALP appears to have directly contributed to both of the Transport Matters candidates being successful in the upper house election.

 

[eth-dog]

The two divisions that Transport Matters look like getting a candidate up in are Eastern Metro and South-Eastern Metro.

In Eastern Metro, the ALP had Transport Matters 2nd on their group voting ticket, ahead of the Greens in 3rd. I can't see why they would have done this, but according to ABC website that was the deal.

Again In South-Eastern Metro, the ALP had Transport Matters before the Greens on their group voting ticket (technically they had two independents after their candidates but Transport Matters were 3rd and Greens 4th).

On the face of it, the ALP could have directly contributed to both of the Transport Matters candidates being successful in the upper house election.

That is very unfortunnate. These sorts of preference deals are shit for the major parties. If the ALP had Greens second on both they probably have a better upper house actually.

 

[Ant_]

Faine is a bit of an arrogant prick but he is also a smart arrogant prick. As HHH said, he's often pretty amazing to listen to when interviewing pollies, because he's like a dog with a bone and his intolerance for pollie double speak and buzz words is pretty virulent.

Faine's great to listen to.

 

[Father Jack]

That is very unfortunnate. These sorts of preference deals are shit for the major parties. If the ALP had Greens second on both they probably have a better upper house actually.

Probably?

 

[eth-dog]

Probably?

Preference deals are complicated, I know that much. TM may still have had 1/2 seats even if that was flipped.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

That is very unfortunnate. These sorts of preference deals are shit for the major parties. If the ALP had Greens second on both they probably have a better upper house actually.

Depends how the final numbers stack up.

If ALP gets to 19 (as ABC website is currently indicating) then they only need to get 2 votes from another party to pass legislation. Any minor party or combination of minor parties would suffice. Two votes from Transport Matters would currently be an option.

Perhaps the Transport Matters candidates are ALP in disguise? I don't know much about them other than they are taxi drivers.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Depends how the final numbers stack up.

If ALP gets to 19 (as ABC website is currently indicating) then they only need to get 2 votes from another party to pass legislation. Any minor party or combination of minor parties would suffice. Two votes from Transport Matters would currently be an option.

Perhaps the Transport Matters candidates are ALP in disguise? I don't know much about them other than they are taxi drivers.

Greens will be one vote particularly for the abolition of group voting

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Greens will be one vote particularly for the abolition of group voting

Agreed.

Would the Liberals and/or Nationals be for or against such a vote in your view?