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Houlihan gave years to OS. Gilbee, I dont think completed a year. But your right, they werent old boys....
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Houlihan gave years to OS. Gilbee, I dont think completed a year. But your right, they werent old boys....
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"6 OX flags in a row on the back of the foreign legion". Seriously? Give us some numbers/names to back that up.
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At a pinch I could throw Scotch into the mix too.
Looks like they have eschewed all their ex-AFL talent in deference to rebuilding in Premier B using schoolboys and close mates only. This is exactly what OTs did in 2013.
I think they are clearly more relevant to a purely Premier section, discussion.
Scribe your argument is dependent on what your understanding of "success" is.
Who is more successful? OH for winning an A grade flag and a C grade flag (now in B) all within 10 years, or OS for not winning anything but staying in A grade for 10 years (now also in B).
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Who is going to beat Skobs this week???
It's completely incorrect you are right. The names and numbers will not be overly impressive. But Xavs certainly like to open the doors to all and see no issue with whether a player went to the college as a kidlet or not.
No SKOB will get on the board this week. Maplebet has turned them into $1.20 for the game. Lock it in Eddie.
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A shame they weren't at least a bit selective when Fitzy rocked up to the club. His invention of terms like "claret and stout" and Xavier Nation is embarrassing to all.
Not embarrassing to anyone inside the club, and that's where most reading and feedback and laughs come from. Fitzy's contribution to Xavs media, web etc has been brilliant. Single handedly wrote all the stuff in the old days (as in 6-10 years back) when even Xav haters got a laugh out of the website. Slowed up a lot as other work took preference. Easy to knock or sideswipe someone who puts it out there...
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I think Fitzy, aka Max McGraw aka The Sheik is bloody brilliant. I even had a laugh when the Sheik went after me.
I vote for more Fitzy in the VAFA, a legendary character.
I vote for more Fitzy in the VAFA, a legendary character.
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we must know different people. My problem with those two terms is that they connote some sort of artificial rah rah private school projection of how the club is - something which has never really been a part of the club. Certainly wasn't there at Croc Rocks, or when we were stealing cans from the OS fridge on Thursdays at Swan St, certainly wasn't when we were at Albert Park and certainly wasn't when we started winning in the 90s.
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Everyone used to steal cans from the Old Scotch fridge, they always told us their old man owned the brewery so we didn't see an issue with taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
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I'll quote a few who you will know very well.
Lethlean, Wood, Hunter, Blood, Kelly, Mortenson, McQueen-Parton, that bleached blonde headed bloke from Tasmania, Hatfield (John Hopoate junior), Ryan Colbert, Anthony McDonald, James McDonald, Alex McDonald and that's without even trying too hard.
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Never felt a rah rah projection from these terms. But if you move in circles at Xavier Nation that do feel that way, then you have every right to share it here. Hardly a biggy.
But from the era of which you speak...stolen cans and croc rocks...I'm pretty sure the majority would have loved Fitzy's work, so your comments re him are a little surprising.
But from the era of which you speak...stolen cans and croc rocks...I'm pretty sure the majority would have loved Fitzy's work, so your comments re him are a little surprising.
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You missed Buckley, McDonalds (x2), Hatfield, Cranage and possibly a few others who don't immediately come to mind. If memory serves there were 15 ex-students of the 22 in the 1995 team and more in every team after that (19 of 22 in 1996). I say compare that against ANY other team of that or any other era since and you will see that those flags were very much home grown. Mortenson was a champ but never played in a flag at OX so you were trying too hard
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What about the great Peter Panagapopolous?
Don't get taken in by the uniformed noise, Chazz.
All some of us are saying is that building a team is more likely to breed sustained success (Trinity style these days, St Bedes style in past times)than buying-in players who have had no affiliation with the club by dangling whatever in front of them to induce them to play.
I don't include buy-ins as those with a history with a club who are returning after a stint elsewhere.
Interestingly, it's one or two people from a 'dangler' club who are the loudest in their condemnation of that viewpoint.
Perhaps I move in different circles but I don't know any amateur person who isn't delighted at the recent sustained success of Trinity through building a team or the early successes of clubs like Scotch and DeLa who are following a similar path.
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Thanks Fitzy.
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Another innacurate post AM, if you think those St Bede's team were home grown you have no idea.
As far sustained success of OT, where's their A grade flag? Or De La's in the last quarter of a century? And Scotch? They just got relegated!
If you are referring to a three game sample you are crazy.
St Kevin's has played 33 players, with 20 of 22 'home grown' in the last two weeks, and where's it got them? And that's from a long term powerhouse APS football school.
Ill take ex AFL players anyday over a person who plays 300 games for their club, of which 260 may be reserves.
And I don't think you need to tell Chazz how to roll, he knows more about VAFA football and has played in more A grade senior flags than all of us put together.
As far sustained success of OT, where's their A grade flag? Or De La's in the last quarter of a century? And Scotch? They just got relegated!
If you are referring to a three game sample you are crazy.
St Kevin's has played 33 players, with 20 of 22 'home grown' in the last two weeks, and where's it got them? And that's from a long term powerhouse APS football school.
Ill take ex AFL players anyday over a person who plays 300 games for their club, of which 260 may be reserves.
And I don't think you need to tell Chazz how to roll, he knows more about VAFA football and has played in more A grade senior flags than all of us put together.
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Exception when he comments of anything other than A Grade, then no thanks.
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Nice one Max. Yep Chaddy wasn't his finest hour.
AM - these success stories you talk about makes me think about Ross Lyon.
We don't dangle anything. We offer people opportunities and are more than happy to look outside the obvious square, whilst always being predominantly an ex schoolboy team.
Why do people worry so much about where people come from? Good clubs promote great networking opportunities and great friendships that don't need to be the bloke you stood next to in the canteen queue when you were 16...
AM - these success stories you talk about makes me think about Ross Lyon.
We don't dangle anything. We offer people opportunities and are more than happy to look outside the obvious square, whilst always being predominantly an ex schoolboy team.
Why do people worry so much about where people come from? Good clubs promote great networking opportunities and great friendships that don't need to be the bloke you stood next to in the canteen queue when you were 16...
So you think planning, nurturing and building a competitive team predominantly from home grown talent can't co-exist with having a strong network. Odd because I somehow think they sit comfortably together.
I find it hard to believe you are who some claim. Even a failed political advisor and putative PR bloke would be roughly familiar with sentences and paragraphs.
No! I still think you are a secondary student struggling with your last year or so and with plenty of time on your hands. So next time I buy a dimmy from you at Toorak Park I'll be sure to say hello.
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Bloody hell mate you are like a broken record. No one worries about where people come from. Diversity at clubs is fantastic but the point is that your natural school or junior feeder is the fabric and it is imperative you get that right.
Despite what some people have said those great Xavs teams were predominantly blokes who went to the College, enhanced with a couple of great additions. I think we all strive for that and Xavs as a club have been able to get the balance right for years. Others, as history has shown, have not.
You seem to be inferring that Xavs is a club full of outsiders. That is absurd and you know it. Once again ...this is not about being a closed shop. Just about getting both your affiliates and networks operating cohesivly.
My club may not have many ‘A’ grade flags in recent years but for a humble ACC school, significantly smaller in students number than nearly every other old boys club in the VAFA, we have sustained ourselves as a strong, respected and viable club in the upper echelons of the VAFA for many years. Taking into account all the circumstances I think you would call this a success.
We welcome anyone from any background but the reality is we don’t have the networks of the APS schools or blue chip uni clubs. We had a decent chop at both Bail and Strauss and thought we were good show for at least one but lost out to the superior networks of SKOBs and good on them. So while we hope to lure a few more non De La people to the club, the reality is that we rely heavily on De La being the club of choice for school leavers. It is not so much a choice as an imperative for us to compete in the higher grades.
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