B Section Premier B - 2023

[Peter Gryphon]

This places them outside the 4 immediately. Quite the shake up as we enter the back end of the season.

STBM with a nice little bump in % as well.

I don't think STBM's percentage will change too much as they have the choice of including both scores or not including either score. There was only 2 goals in it.
Beaumaris' percentage will take a hit as their score will be removed.

 

[bedford]

Coach should be suspended

 

[God Yeah]

I don't think STBM's percentage will change too much as they have the choice of including both scores or not including either score. There was only 2 goals in it.
Beaumaris' percentage will take a hit as their score will be removed.

Ok, I read it as "STBM could have the option to include their own score in the PF and then have Beaumaris reduced to 0 in the PA".

 

[iDon]

Happens once, okay errors are made.

Double down and go again next week....hmm

Penalty seems light for clear advantage they were after.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Big Footy, and Mr Platinum keeping the VAFA honest, once again.

Shifty and deceptive conduct still not being punished enough IMO.

Sack the coach as a minimum if I were Beauy, he was sacked from his last job after one year.

 

[Mike Olotripo]

It seems like the punishment is about right given what occurred. Everyone has to play within the rules and given what happened last year at Uni Blues, it should have been a wake up call to all clubs. Clearly some like winning on their terms and not the right terms, which is pretty poor.

 

[Mr Platinum]

The whole thing smacks of arrogance on their off-field leadership’s behalf.

Also, can St Bernard’s go through as premiers and undefeated champions, especially when they aren’t really undefeated?

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Clayton's champions?

The champions you are when you are not really champions ...

 

[Footy tragic 13]

The paragraph re the points/percentage could be written a little clearer IMO.
I think you will find that the final scores will be accumulated.
Eg Rd 11 - Beaumaris (57) V SBMT (69) will now read Beaumaris (0) V SBMT (126) - with the % altered accordingly.

 

[Tjblues]

The paragraph re the points/percentage could be written a little clearer IMO.
I think you will find that the final scores will be accumulated.
Eg Rd 11 - Beaumaris (57) V SBMT (69) will now read Beaumaris (0) V SBMT (126) - with the % altered accordingly.

Don’t think this is right.

I believe the clubs can leave the scores as is but receive the 4 points, or have the score reverted to 0-0.

They surely won’t get Beauys points from the match added to theirs, that would be totally ridiculous

 

[Footy tragic 13]

Don’t think this is right.

I believe the clubs can leave the scores as is but receive the 4 points, or have the score reverted to 0-0.

They surely won’t get Beauys points from the match added to theirs, that would be totally ridiculous

If this is the case then SBMT do not benefit at all from playing a team who have cheated.

They already have the 4 points. And the scores will remain the same. There is no way they would elect to go 0-0 which puts them at a further disadvantage from the final result in round 11.

Either way, Beaumaris surely have to have their score reverted back to 0, with % altered accordingly from the game. Do not be surprised however if you find the score goes to 126-0 for this game.

Ladder will hopefully be updated this evening or tomorrow morning.

 

[bedford]

Big Footy, and Mr Platinum keeping the VAFA honest, once again.

Shifty and deceptive conduct still not being punished enough IMO.

Sack the coach as a minimum if I were Beauy, he was sacked from his last job after one year.

Well done coach should be sacked

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Don’t think this is right.

I believe the clubs can leave the scores as is but receive the 4 points, or have the score reverted to 0-0.

They surely won’t get Beauys points from the match added to theirs, that would be totally ridiculous

For the SBMT game, my understanding it that:
Beaumaris get 0-69 (no say in the matter)
SBMT choose either 57-69 or 0-0 and the 4 points.

Same scenario for the St B game.

Beaumaris 0-87.
St B either 86-87 or 0-0 (slight percentage advantage in the 0-0 scoreline) and the 4 points.

I suppose the choice is there in the event that an affected club lost and not won (e.g. St B) and they could therefore amend their percentage to gain the percentage lost in a defeat.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

If this is the case then SBMT do not benefit at all from playing a team who have cheated.

They already have the 4 points. And the scores will remain the same. There is no way they would elect to go 0-0 which puts them at a further disadvantage from the final result in round 11.

SBMT now - 910/916 = 99.35%
SBMT without the Beaumaris result - 841/859 = 97.90%

Choose to let the result stand, I say. there is 1.4% benefit in keeping it as it is.

 

[Mounzer11]

IMO this was a blatant attempt to cheat the system. Once against St Bedes, understand. But, twice??
Surely if you believed there was an error, you contact the VAFA in the first instance and have it dealt with. You don't deal with it after the whistle has been blown.
I remember a wise old coach saying to me, "the minute you start coaching to win at all costs, its time to give coaching away..."

 

[Tjblues]

What are their grounds to appeal? I can assume they disagree with the points allocation for at least 1 player but surely they’d seek clarification prior to putting the team on the park?

Staggering decision really

 

[iDon]

What are their grounds to appeal? I can assume they disagree with the points allocation for at least 1 player but surely they’d seek clarification prior to putting the team on the park?

Staggering decision really

Staggering decision to field the same points again the following week? agree.

 

[Penski]

What are their grounds to appeal? I can assume they disagree with the points allocation for at least 1 player but surely they’d seek clarification prior to putting the team on the park?

Staggering decision really

Aren't points allocations decided when players are registered, before the start of the season? No point trying to say now that you don't agree.

 

[AnimalEnclosure]

A curious aspect of it all is the highlighted "Emergency'' player. Normally when a player is a late withdrawal, another player just drops into the 22 and appears on the list the same as all of the others.
Suggests they were looking for a loophole. The penalty just seems too light to me.

 

[iDon]

A curious aspect of it all is the highlighted "Emergency'' player. Normally when a player is a late withdrawal, another player just drops into the 22 and appears on the list the same as all of the others.
Suggests they were looking for a loophole. The penalty just seems too light to me.

They 100% knew what they were doing. Agree penalty too light.

 

[Tjblues]

Staggering decision to field the same points again the following week? agree.

I should clarify I think it’s staggering from Beaumaris not the vafa.

Very much a play stupid games, win stupid prizes feel about this currently

 

[Max Leader]

Well done coach should be sacked

Why sack the coach? A serious question.

 

[bedford]

Why sack the coach? A serious question.

Because he's responsible and a

 

[zeroseven]

Because he's responsible and a

Coach's don't do the online teamsheets at this level. General Manager is in the gun.

 

[FWIW]

They 100% knew what they were doing. Agree penalty too light.

FWIW considering the high volume of recruits not associated with their club maybe more questions should be asked