A Section Premier section 2021

[Mike Olotripo]

Still trying to work out how Dan Robinson is a 5 at Xavs.

Robinson was on an AFL list in 2018, therefore he will be a 6 point player as he is not a home player and was on an AFL list in the either of the last 3 seasons being 2018, 2019 and 2020 (only went to Xavier for 2 years and not the required 3 years to be a 1 pointer).

Sam Grimley has not been on an AFL list since 2016 (outside the last 3 years) and would be a 3 point player unless he finished in his club's top 5 in the best and fairest, which means he would be a 4 point player (if he finished top 5 in their best and fairest in 2019, which he clearly didn't) as he has transferred from Heidelberg to Uni Blues. He was a registered player with Uni Blues in 2020, therefore he drops a point from 3 to 2 in 2021.

 

[flat footy]

Robinson was on an AFL list in 2018, therefore he will be a 6 point player as he is not a home player and was on an AFL list in the either of the last 3 seasons being 2018, 2019 and 2020 (only went to Xavier for 2 years and not the required 3 years to be a 1 pointer).

Sam Grimley has not been on an AFL list since 2016 (outside the last 3 years) and would be a 3 point player unless he finished in his club's top 5 in the best and fairest, which means he would be a 4 point player (if he finished top 5 in their best and fairest in 2019, which he clearly didn't) as he has transferred from Heidelberg to Uni Blues. He was a registered player with Uni Blues in 2020, therefore he drops a point from 3 to 2 in 2021.

Observation : Only 2 Co Ed schools in Premier A. Coll and and O Cauf. Colls and OS would both have 3000 students. 1500 of them at Wesley would
be girls. This impacts on the boys numbers avail to play footy. Conversely it has a direct effect on your player numbers available, and your ability
to field school teams (not to mention talent). Skevys depth clearly demonstrates a large numbered "boys only" school.....and their ability to run an Ammo
Club very efficiently, effectively and successfully...

 

[workhorse]

Observation : Only 2 Co Ed schools in Premier A. Coll and and O Cauf. Colls and OS would both have 3000 students. 1500 of them at Wesley would
be girls. This impacts on the boys numbers avail to play footy. Conversely it has a direct effect on your player numbers available, and your ability
to field school teams (not to mention talent). Skevys depth clearly demonstrates a large numbered "boys only" school.....and their ability to run an Ammo
Club very efficiently, effectively and successfully...

How many boys do Caulfield and Wesley have graduate each year and how many boys football sides would they field in APS sport, compared to the all boys schools? I'm not an APS old boy

 

[James_Blues]

How many boys do Caulfield and Wesley have graduate each year and how many boys football sides would they field in APS sport, compared to the all boys schools? I'm not an APS old boy

I'm not too sure how many would graduate each year, but there's usually 2 teams per year level up until year 10 after which there's 3 teams for year 11 + 12. The amount of students that move through to Collegians post school is fairly low, at least in my experience.

 

[flat footy]

I'm not too sure how many would graduate each year, but there's usually 2 teams per year level up until year 10 after which there's 3 teams for year 11 + 12. The amount of students that move through to Collegians post school is fairly low, at least in my experience.

Cant be sure, but Im thinking 1500 boys across multiple Wesley Campuses (this doesnt help either). 2 Open teams and I think just one year 10, at best a lousy 2nd year 10. Need to check but think Im right. This hardly represents a "stream" of players to their Ammo Club when they leave school.

 

[Mike Olotripo]

How many boys do Caulfield and Wesley have graduate each year and how many boys football sides would they field in APS sport, compared to the all boys schools? I'm not an APS old boy

At Wesley around 60-65% of year levels are boys, but as you say, there are only 3 (normally) and possibly 4 in a good year of sides from year 11 and 12 playing football. Xavier and St Kevin's have a minimum of 6, Scotch has I think 4 or 5 year 11/12 sides most years, so you are looking at a lot less kids playing footy coming through the school in general.

At the same time over the last decade, Wesley's school side other than in 2010 when we won the premiership and 2011 when a bevy of players were drafted (Greene, Frost, Curran, Darrou, Hunter) the school firsts have really struggled in terms of quality and the school side went without a win for the entire 2012 and 2013 seasons.

Add to that the fact that Collegians plays close to the St Kilda Road campus, but the Harry Trott is a fair hike for a lot of Glen Waverley boys who come from the eastern suburbs and even a lot of St Kilda Road boys who live in the western or northern suburbs (plenty of them) , so a lot of these kids play at their local EFL and EDFL clubs. I have noticed that on average 10-15 schoolboys will be playing in those competitions each year out of school, which hurts Collegians obviously. Currently, there would be at least 10 blokes from Wesley playing at other top level metropolitan league clubs who would be vying for selection in the seniors.

By pure numbers, it's pretty remarkable that across the last decade Collegians has the highest winning percentage of all the sides in A grade (given we have been there from 2010-2019, where as others like SKOB have not been in Premier section the entire period), as well winning 2 flags in that time and playing in another 4 grand finals. Not bad for a club that has half the number of kids coming through of some of its rivals!

 

[Chioli]

Robinson was on an AFL list in 2018, therefore he will be a 6 point player as he is not a home player and was on an AFL list in the either of the last 3 seasons being 2018, 2019 and 2020 (only went to Xavier for 2 years and not the required 3 years to be a 1 pointer).

Sam Grimley has not been on an AFL list since 2016 (outside the last 3 years) and would be a 3 point player unless he finished in his club's top 5 in the best and fairest, which means he would be a 4 point player (if he finished top 5 in their best and fairest in 2019, which he clearly didn't) as he has transferred from Heidelberg to Uni Blues. He was a registered player with Uni Blues in 2020, therefore he drops a point from 3 to 2 in 2021.

Robinson famously played in 19 for Xavs. If he was a 6 pointer then, shouldn't he be a 4 now?

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Robinson famously played in 19 for Xavs. If he was a 6 pointer then, shouldn't he be a 4 now?

He would've dropped a point in 2020 as he was registered there and then another in 2021.

 

[bedford]

Agree that they are largely home grown and nowhere near the points cap, nor ever likely to be, but don’t assume that Player Points allocations that appear on the website are correct. Reuben Hayward is not an old boy. He played the last 2 seasons at DLS, played juniors at Hampton Rovers and Ormond and played VFL in 2019. Should be a 5 not 1. I don’t know about others (there could be more) but I do know Hayward is not a 1. Whether we think the points is a good idea or not, if we are going to have them visible then they should at least be accurate.

Hayward has to be a 5

 

[bedford]

At Wesley around 60-65% of year levels are boys, but as you say, there are only 3 (normally) and possibly 4 in a good year of sides from year 11 and 12 playing football. Xavier and St Kevin's have a minimum of 6, Scotch has I think 4 or 5 year 11/12 sides most years, so you are looking at a lot less kids playing footy coming through the school in general.

At the same time over the last decade, Wesley's school side other than in 2010 when we won the premiership and 2011 when a bevy of players were drafted (Greene, Frost, Curran, Darrou, Hunter) the school firsts have really struggled in terms of quality and the school side went without a win for the entire 2012 and 2013 seasons.

Add to that the fact that Collegians plays close to the St Kilda Road campus, but the Harry Trott is a fair hike for a lot of Glen Waverley boys who come from the eastern suburbs and even a lot of St Kilda Road boys who live in the western or northern suburbs (plenty of them) , so a lot of these kids play at their local EFL and EDFL clubs. I have noticed that on average 10-15 schoolboys will be playing in those competitions each year out of school, which hurts Collegians obviously. Currently, there would be at least 10 blokes from Wesley playing at other top level metropolitan league clubs who would be vying for selection in the seniors.

By pure numbers, it's pretty remarkable that across the last decade Collegians has the highest winning percentage of all the sides in A grade (given we have been there from 2010-2019, where as others like SKOB have not been in Premier section the entire period), as well winning 2 flags in that time and playing in another 4 grand finals. Not bad for a club that has half the number of kids coming through of some of its rivals!

Frost and Darrou Ormond under 17 premiership players

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Frost and Darrou Ormond under 17 premiership players

Darrou did a mighty job on Tom Boyd and beat him on numerous occasions on the weekend.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Robinson famously played in 19 for Xavs. If he was a 6 pointer then, shouldn't he be a 4 now?

Could be argued he should be one point as he did attend Xavier College, albeit not for the required number amount of years. Found it strange that Robinson was a 6 despite attending the school but a host of Uni Blues players were one pointers based on part time study at institutions other than Melbourne University

 

[bedford]

Could be argued he should be one point as he did attend Xavier College, albeit not for the required number amount of years. Found it strange that Robinson was a 6 despite attending the school but a host of Uni Blues players were one pointers based on part time study at institutions other than Melbourne University

That's the problem with the Uni teams , it's totally unfair.

 

[Glorious One]

Darrou did a mighty job on Tom Boyd and beat him on numerous occasions on the weekend.

Lucky Waite, Kanakis, Kerr and Edgar didn't play lol!

 

[Glorious One]

At Wesley around 60-65% of year levels are boys, but as you say, there are only 3 (normally) and possibly 4 in a good year of sides from year 11 and 12 playing football. Xavier and St Kevin's have a minimum of 6, Scotch has I think 4 or 5 year 11/12 sides most years, so you are looking at a lot less kids playing footy coming through the school in general.

At the same time over the last decade, Wesley's school side other than in 2010 when we won the premiership and 2011 when a bevy of players were drafted (Greene, Frost, Curran, Darrou, Hunter) the school firsts have really struggled in terms of quality and the school side went without a win for the entire 2012 and 2013 seasons.

Add to that the fact that Collegians plays close to the St Kilda Road campus, but the Harry Trott is a fair hike for a lot of Glen Waverley boys who come from the eastern suburbs and even a lot of St Kilda Road boys who live in the western or northern suburbs (plenty of them) , so a lot of these kids play at their local EFL and EDFL clubs. I have noticed that on average 10-15 schoolboys will be playing in those competitions each year out of school, which hurts Collegians obviously. Currently, there would be at least 10 blokes from Wesley playing at other top level metropolitan league clubs who would be vying for selection in the seniors.

By pure numbers, it's pretty remarkable that across the last decade Collegians has the highest winning percentage of all the sides in A grade (given we have been there from 2010-2019, where as others like SKOB have not been in Premier section the entire period), as well winning 2 flags in that time and playing in another 4 grand finals. Not bad for a club that has half the number of kids coming through of some of its rivals!

Mike, I'm not sure it's a simple discussion. I know that Skev's(2,250 students) has a massive Rugby Union programme and also a huge soccer programme. They also have a huge basketball set up that will produce an NBA draftee this year in Josh Giddey, so they lose a heap to those other winter pursuits, ditto Scotch(1,800 students) and Xavier College(1980 students.)

I would think De La Salle is probably the underperformer here, based on the limited sports options at the school compared to the kids at APS/AGS schools and a pretty large all boys population that is dominated by Aussie rules, so are St Bede's, St Bernards and one who often escapes scrutiny in Mazenod. The lost soul is of course MHSOB due to their non caucasian population, they are consigned to the lower grades forever one feels.

 

[bedford]

Mike, I'm not sure it's a simple discussion. I know that Skev's(2,250 students) has a massive Rugby Union programme and also a huge soccer programme. They also have a huge basketball set up that will produce an NBA draftee this year in Josh Giddey, so they lose a heap to those other winter pursuits, ditto Scotch(1,800 students) and Xavier College(1980 students.)

I would think De La Salle is probably the underperformer here, based on the limited sports options at the school compared to the kids at APS/AGS schools and a pretty large all boys population that is dominated by Aussie rules, so are St Bede's, St Bernards and one who often escapes scrutiny in Mazenod. The lost soul is of course MHSOB due to their non caucasian population, they are consigned to the lower grades forever one feels.

When i went to MHS we had sensational depth in footy , a fair few Richmond 19's. It was a priority

 

[Jimmyjack]

Mike, I'm not sure it's a simple discussion. I know that Skev's(2,250 students) has a massive Rugby Union programme and also a huge soccer programme. They also have a huge basketball set up that will produce an NBA draftee this year in Josh Giddey, so they lose a heap to those other winter pursuits, ditto Scotch(1,800 students) and Xavier College(1980 students.)

I would think De La Salle is probably the underperformer here, based on the limited sports options at the school compared to the kids at APS/AGS schools and a pretty large all boys population that is dominated by Aussie rules, so are St Bede's, St Bernards and one who often escapes scrutiny in Mazenod. The lost soul is of course MHSOB due to their non caucasian population, they are consigned to the lower grades forever one feels.

De La is a small school by comparison to most, particularly the APS boys schools. Also significantly smaller than other ACC schools represented in the ammos such as Parade, Mazenod, St Bernards and St Bedes. When I was at school (a looooooong time ago) the ACC footy comp was very strong. Parade and St Joseph’s North Melbourne (North Old Boys) were particularly powerful but that school doesn’t even exist anymore. Eventually APS schools worked out that it was good for their brand to have strong sporting teams and started picking off the best ACC (and state school) sporting talent. Probably started by Hailebury but others caught on quickly. Still get some gems slide through but a lot of the elite talent gets identified and taken before they reach Yr12. Bloody miracle we have spent as long as we have in Premier and have not been lower than B grade for 50 years.

We do get a very good % of kids who attended DLS play for the old boys but the reality is that the quality is not what it was and if we rely on old boys alone we will never again play in A grade. On another note the Uni and big APS aligned clubs network extremely well and the rest of us need to catch up.

 

[Glorious One]

All great points there Jimmyjack

The big factor that we are missing is that Carey and Skevs used to supply a heap of talent to various A grade clubs, something that doesn’t happen anymore as both are entrenched in A and B grade.

Re De La not being below B grade for 50 years is an unbelievable achievement, something that should be celebrated and applauded.

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Mike, I'm not sure it's a simple discussion. I know that Skev's(2,250 students) has a massive Rugby Union programme and also a huge soccer programme. They also have a huge basketball set up that will produce an NBA draftee this year in Josh Giddey, so they lose a heap to those other winter pursuits, ditto Scotch(1,800 students) and Xavier College(1980 students.)

I would think De La Salle is probably the underperformer here, based on the limited sports options at the school compared to the kids at APS/AGS schools and a pretty large all boys population that is dominated by Aussie rules, so are St Bede's, St Bernards and one who often escapes scrutiny in Mazenod. The lost soul is of course MHSOB due to their non caucasian population, they are consigned to the lower grades forever one feels.

Agree with you here on plenty. I think Mazenod lose a lot of players to the Eastern and Southern leagues. Speaking from experience of having a fair few mates who went through there, player retention was always a huge issue for them as a football club due to their best players going and playing for money essentially.

De La not dropping below B grade in 50 years is a sensational effort, even Collegians spent a few soulless years in C grade at the turn of the century, but thanks to the hard work of Wayne Dyer, his committee at the time and a strong group of young players coming through back then who helped carry the club, we haven't gone back to C grade since.

Jimmyjack makes a terrific point, no club, even the bigger clubs can now stay in Premier section based on an old boy only approach. Look at clubs like Old Scotch who have been relegated in 2015 and 2018 from Premier section. Old Xavs in 2015 were only a game above relegation as well.

 

[dalybray]

Looking forward to heading down Friday night under the lights to see the big A grade match! It will be a hot footy that’s for sure! Let’s hope the umps are ready for this one from the first bounce!
Leave work, quick feed then off to watch some vafa footy! Amazing

 

[Mike Olotripo]

Looking forward to heading down Friday night under the lights to see the big A grade match! It will be a hot footy that’s for sure! Let’s hope the umps are ready for this one from the first bounce!
Leave work, quick feed then off to watch some vafa footy! Amazing

I am predicting it will be a bit of a one sided affair but night footy is always great.

My tips for this weekend

Old Melburnians to defeat Old Trinity by 31 points
St Kevin's to defeat Old Brighton by 8 points
University Blues to defeat Caulfield Grammarians by 35 points
Collegians to defeat St Bernards by 11 points
Old Xaverians to defeat Old Scotch by 39 points

 

[From45SlightAngle]

Old Melburnians to defeat Old Trinity by 61 points
St Kevin's to defeat Old Brighton by 27 points
University Blues to defeat Caulfield Grammarians by 71 points (after a kick up the arse)
Collegians to defeat St Bernards by 34 points
Old Xaverians to defeat Old Scotch by 51 points

BigFooty Big Call: Bewick makes it 20 from 2 games.

45 /

 

[bedford]

I am predicting it will be a bit of a one sided affair but night footy is always great.

My tips for this weekend

Old Melburnians to defeat Old Trinity by 31 points
St Kevin's to defeat Old Brighton by 8 points
University Blues to defeat Caulfield Grammarians by 35 points
Collegians to defeat St Bernards by 11 points
Old Xaverians to defeat Old Scotch by 39 points

I'll have the same please

 

[Navyblues09]

De La is a small school by comparison to most, particularly the APS boys schools. Also significantly smaller than other ACC schools represented in the ammos such as Parade, Mazenod, St Bernards and St Bedes. When I was at school (a looooooong time ago) the ACC footy comp was very strong. Parade and St Joseph’s North Melbourne (North Old Boys) were particularly powerful but that school doesn’t even exist anymore. Eventually APS schools worked out that it was good for their brand to have strong sporting teams and started picking off the best ACC (and state school) sporting talent. Probably started by Hailebury but others caught on quickly. Still get some gems slide through but a lot of the elite talent gets identified and taken before they reach Yr12. Bloody miracle we have spent as long as we have in Premier and have not been lower than B grade for 50 years.

We do get a very good % of kids who attended DLS play for the old boys but the reality is that the quality is not what it was and if we rely on old boys alone we will never again play in A grade. On another note the Uni and big APS aligned clubs network extremely well and the rest of us need to catch up.

The other thing conveniently left out by BS was that ACC schools play a midweek competition so all their kids play at junior clubs on the weekends and therefore heavily entrenched in those clubs which can be extremely hard to get kids away from the lure of playing with their club mates and getting a bit of coin.

Plus some of those APS clubs manage to recruit players from ACC schools who have no attachment to them whatsoever, gotta wonder what incentive$ are used there!

Last AFL player who went to my school and then came back to the VAFA played for $KOBAFL

 

[Glorious One]

I would just like to take this opportunity to defuse any tongue-wagging caused by avatars, that I am *not* an official follower of Glorious One.

I'm happy with unofficial, now please pour me that glass of Barbadillo Versos 1891 Amontillado.