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[rabidcrow]

what makes you say that?

The fact we haven’t gone out of our way to recruit a high level mid, that he was MVP in the u16 carnival playing as a mid, and that we have talked about giving him some increased midfield time. With Rankine joining the fray and the talent Rachele showed early in the season I think that’s where he ends up


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[crow2crow]

The fact we haven’t gone out of our way to recruit a high level mid, that he was MVP in the u16 carnival playing as a mid, and that we have talked about giving him some increased midfield time. With Rankine joining the fray and the talent Rachele showed early in the season I think that’s where he ends up


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but rachele elite traits he showed were forward. look i think he can do it but i'm not sure hes plan A

 

[Tex Danger]

The fact we haven’t gone out of our way to recruit a high level mid, that he was MVP in the u16 carnival playing as a mid, and that we have talked about giving him some increased midfield time. With Rankine joining the fray and the talent Rachele showed early in the season I think that’s where he ends up


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He also had quite a few CBAs at times from memory. I’m not talking the majority or anything like that but a good amount for a 1st year player- not something you do with a draftee if you don’t project them to be a midfielder.

 

[jackster83]

He also had quite a few CBAs at times from memory. I’m not talking the majority or anything like that but a good amount for a 1st year player- not something you do with a draftee if you don’t project them to be a midfielder.

He was playing as a full time mid in that final SANFL game before his hip injury ended his season wasn't he?

 

[Tex Danger]

He was playing as a full time mid in that final SANFL game before his hip injury ended his season wasn't he?

No idea but he definitely had AFL CBAs

 

[Tex Danger]

He was playing as a full time mid in that final SANFL game before his hip injury ended his season wasn't he?

Averaged 6% in all games played but that’s due to a number with 0

Highest was 28%

CBAs - DFS Australia

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[FR0GGY]

Averaged 6% in all games played but that’s due to a number with 0

Highest was 28%

CBAs - DFS Australia

Centre Bounce Attendances are available from the 2020 season. Average refers to the percentage of CBAs each player has attended for the season (considering only those games they have played). Each round is denoted as percentage of CBAs attended for that round. Centre Bounce Attendance Percentage...

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The 28% gws game was when he started each qtr in the square for the first bounce then rolled forward for the rest of the qtr, from memory was thrown in in the last qtr a couple of times.

 

[Big Dub]

Sorry, but since when is dropping players who aren't performing classed as "playing favourites"? And you don't seriously think you can just allow a player to continually deliver unders compared to their best. What type of culture would you be trying to foster? Actually, I know already. The one where player know that if they do just enough to keep ahead of the next guy up, they will maintain their spot. Regardless of the level,of performance that they can actually deliver. At the end of the day you can talk them up as much as you like, cup their balls whilst reaching around if you think it'll help. But if they don't respond, they need to be dropped and if the bloke replacing them provides only 90% flat out, then that's what you go with.

nothing kills a culture faster than rewarding players who aren't putting in at 100%. And we're living proof of that.

If ROB's issues are effort based not form based, then fine. Drop him.

But is that what you think it is?

 

[Peter Doherty]

The 28% gws game was when he started each qtr in the square for the first bounce then rolled forward for the rest of the qtr, from memory was thrown in in the last qtr a couple of times.

I remember round 2 against Collingwood. Started the last in the middle, got the clearance, think Berg marked and goaled. Ended up with 11 touches in the last playing midfield.

 

[FR0GGY]

If ROB's issues are effort based not form based, then fine. Drop him.

But is that what you think it is?

You drop him for form and effort.
You’re not seriously suggesting you play him out of form are you?

 

[1970crow]

w

If ROB's issues are effort based not form based, then fine. Drop him.

But is that what you think it is?

I absolutely do. How else can the change in performance directly after dropping be explained? ROB is a grunt, he doesn’t possess a single ounce of class. His value as an AFL player relies entirely on leaving nothing on the park. When he’s having a crack he’s following up his ruck work and impacting the contest. That aspet to his game has disappeared. And nor was he working back hard enough to help the defenders out. And why he’s happy to sit in no man’s land 20m off the ruck contests in our forward 50 is mystifying. Get yourself into a position to impact.

 

[Tex Danger]

The 28% gws game was when he started each qtr in the square for the first bounce then rolled forward for the rest of the qtr, from memory was thrown in in the last qtr a couple of times.

I remember round 2 against Collingwood. Started the last in the middle, got the clearance, think Berg marked and goaled. Ended up with 11 touches in the last playing midfield.

Yet some people keep insisting we’re only recruiting small forwards.

Is he less chance to become an a grade kid than forward? Yes.

But if he’s projected as “just” an a grade forward he doesn’t get these CBAs in season 1 ahead of other guys whose best position will clearly be midfielder.

 

[Big Dub]

w


I absolutely do. How else can the change in performance directly after dropping be explained? ROB is a grunt, he doesn’t possess a single ounce of class. His value as an AFL player relies entirely on leaving nothing on the park. When he’s having a crack he’s following up his ruck work and impacting the contest. That aspet to his game has disappeared. And nor was he working back hard enough to help the defenders out. And why he’s happy to sit in no man’s land 20m off the ruck contests in our forward 50 is mystifying. Get yourself into a position to impact.

He's horribly out of form, no doubt.

Whether it's effort or something in his head, we'll probably never know. Hopefully he sorts out whatever it is over the off-season.

 

[ams4crows]

I spy with my little eye...... Soligo, Rachele, Zac Taylor, Parnell and Nankervis at the Cricket today!

 

[BRL121]

I spy with my little eye...... Soligo, Rachele, Zac Taylor, Parnell and Nankervis at the Cricket today!

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Vics sticking together.

 

[Rags_118]

When you never draft a developing ruckman, you don't have any other option

There's a reason ROB's ahead of Strachan, he's a much better ruck, and would beat Starchan in almost any athletic challenge you can think of.

Strachan and anybody else playing AFL footy would beat ROB in Lou’s Handball Segment on Channel 9 …… unless the range was reduced to ROB’s 1m range where he might fluke a draw.

 

[Rags_118]

I watch SANFL games when we're on FTA, so you're right I've really onky seen him play 2 AFL games.

One he was servicable, the other well beaten. Meanwhile I'll just compare his SANFL stats with the one game ROB played down there. If Strachan is better than ROB, he should have won the Magarey medal.

Show me your stats that his HOs "barely go to the advantage of his midfielders".

I actually looked, his HOs to advantage are on par with guys like Goldy and Nankervis. Gawn, Darcy, Witts are at the top, but ROB's in the next level down

ROBs metres gained are sh.te compared to leading ruckman like Gawn and English, he offers little else but rucking at which he is dead average - meaning mid-table amongst AFL first rucks.

When he takes a defensive contested mark (rare in 2022) it’s either a stagnant 40m kick or an awkward 1m handball to a kick chaser like B Smith.

 

[Rags_118]

and one other thing the stats dont count

how many times he palms it perfectly to opposition mids

Someone has counted HO to opposition score that has been summarised in this article, ROBs not one of the worst. Plenty of other ruck stat comparisons in the article.

The Deep Dive: Are ruckmen valuable or overrated?

The competition is currently experiencing a ruck shortage, so we've looked at the age-old question as to just how important they are to the success of a side. The results may surprise you.

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[Carmo]

Accept that. But there’s evidence that ROB is a LOT better after being dropped and having to earn his spot. In a rebuilding side there’s no functional difference between playing either of them. But the lesson of senior players performing to their potential instead of just keeping ahead of their immediate competition is invaluable. We don’t challenge our senior players over their output anywhere near enough. And we’re too happy for injury to be an excuse even though we have juniors in good form and raring to go.

The reason ROB got better after being dropped is not cos it shook him up, it was because he wasn't as banged up. Criticise him all you like but he works his proverbial off and puts himself in the line of fire regularly and like, for example, Butts, and ends up banged up pretty bad and it starts to drag his performance down. This is a thing that I think contributes us to resigning Strachany and him being happy to re-sign because he knows he'll get a few games with this new sub rule since he'll have to chop out for ROB a few times.

The other thing for this thread is re ROBs taps to opposition. ROB cant tap it to the oppo who read it simply because our gameplan is not to tap it to anyone! Its to tap it to the ground and then go from there. You saw the WB game, that's our template. Youve got to stop measuring our gameplan via the gameplan of other clubs and just take it on its own merits. Our ruckman's job is not to tap it to people. At least it wasn't for most of the past couple of seasons.

 

[crow2crow]

The reason ROB got better after being dropped is not cos it shook him up, it was because he wasn't as banged up. Criticise him all you like but he works his proverbial off and puts himself in the line of fire regularly and like, for example, Butts, and ends up banged up pretty bad and it starts to drag his performance down. This is a thing that I think contributes us to resigning Strachany and him being happy to re-sign because he knows he'll get a few games with this new sub rule since he'll have to chop out for ROB a few times.

The other thing for this thread is re ROBs taps to opposition. ROB cant tap it to the oppo who read it simply because our gameplan is not to tap it to anyone! Its to tap it to the ground and then go from there. You saw the WB game, that's our template. Youve got to stop measuring our gameplan via the gameplan of other clubs and just take it on its own merits. Our ruckman's job is not to tap it to people. At least it wasn't for most of the past couple of seasons.

if that is truely the gameplan (I dont think it is) then we are ****ed

 

[1970crow]

The reason ROB got better after being dropped is not cos it shook him up, it was because he wasn't as banged up. Criticise him all you like but he works his proverbial off and puts himself in the line of fire regularly and like, for example, Butts, and ends up banged up pretty bad and it starts to drag his performance down. This is a thing that I think contributes us to resigning Strachany and him being happy to re-sign because he knows he'll get a few games with this new sub rule since he'll have to chop out for ROB a few times.

The other thing for this thread is re ROBs taps to opposition. ROB cant tap it to the oppo who read it simply because our gameplan is not to tap it to anyone! Its to tap it to the ground and then go from there. You saw the WB game, that's our template. Youve got to stop measuring our gameplan via the gameplan of other clubs and just take it on its own merits. Our ruckman's job is not to tap it to people. At least it wasn't for most of the past couple of seasons.

new sub rule won't change the type of player we select for the role. It'll still be a mid/utility type. And ROB was hardly rested, he played SANFL and had only 1 week off. Reyurned with an enormous game and then went back to just doing enough.

 

[Carmo]

new sub rule won't change the type of player we select for the role. It'll still be a mid/utility type. And ROB was hardly rested, he played SANFL and had only 1 week off. Reyurned with an enormous game and then went back to just doing enough.

Gives you an idea of the gulf between the two leagues, in that he can play and come back refreshed.

 

[1970crow]

Gives you an idea of the gulf between the two leagues, in that he can play and come back refreshed.

Nup, he just went back into cruise mode knowing his spot was now safe for a couple of months.

 

[Thetrader15]

Strachan and anybody else playing AFL footy would beat ROB in Lou’s Handball Segment on Channel 9 …… unless the range was reduced to ROB’s 1m range where he might fluke a draw.

Well if the segment comes back, Stachcan get the job.

Meanwhile on the field, we can use ROB.

 

[Mutineer]

Sadly unlikely to get the 17 games needed for F/S F/D