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[WeeBlake]

2018 has proven to be a very shallow midfield draft other than Walsh, Smith, Rozee and Butters.

It's no wonder Jones also looked good that year.

I am not sure that four genuine a-grader mids amounts to a shallow draft for midfielders

 

[rabidcrow]

Obviously not too many of those shitcanning his selection watched any of his Geelong Falcons games and likely not much of his Vic Country games at the Nationals. I saw what he can bring live and up close 4 or 5 times at Mars Stadium, one of his games against the Calder Cannons was exceptional playing midfield on a day where Sam Walsh was well and truly closed down. Maybe if we actually gave him some decent midfield minutes we might get to see what he's got but for some reason only known to the coaches that just hasn't happened.

Got to disagree with this. Lots of players who show good ability at under 18 level don’t translate to seniors because they aren’t good enough. They don’t have a weapon. Yes he may be played out of position up forward but midfield ability of crumbing marking contests and sharking taps from stoppages can still be demonstrated. Ned doesn’t have a natural ball finding instinct in those situations.

Not overly quick (Papley, Cameron, Elliot), gives away a lot of frees with poor tackle technique, not a good kick past 25m, not good above his head, no natural goal instinct which hurts when he is made to play small forward and not got a step or good evasive ability. Too small to impact in many ways when he lacks the above

Does seem like a terrific lad and great team man, good short pass, great effort

Is he an upgrade on Riley Knight, Jared Petrenko or Matty Wright? I don’t think so and all of those players were moved on after a few years - replaced by Cameron and Betts

Ned is in trouble if he doesn’t find another gear


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[skittlebrew]

Like he is a great lad from a terrific family ?

 

[Danger in Texas]

You’ve Summed up v well but you’ve underrated Sparrow a bit

I like Rowbottom and swans love him , he’d be top 10 in re draft

Caldwell and Jones are prob the 2 that I’m surprised haven’t done alot more given what I saw at junior level …. Caldwell has more excuses due to being perennially injured

Caldwell's started to look okay now that he's got a decent run at it. 19 touches a game

Cementing himself at AFL level a lot better than Jones

 

[George Kramer]

Got to disagree with this. Lots of players who show good ability at under 18 level don’t translate to seniors because they aren’t good enough. They don’t have a weapon. Yes he may be played out of position up forward but midfield ability of crumbing marking contests and shearling taps from stoppages can still be demonstrated. Ned doesn’t have a natural ball finding instinct in those situations.

Not overly quick (Papley, Cameron, Elliot), gives away a lot of frees with poor tackle technique, not a good kick past 25m, not good above his head, no natural goal instinct which hurts when he is made to play small forward and not got a step or good evasive ability. Too small to impact in many ways when he lacks the above

Does seem like a terrific lad and great team man, good short pass, great effort

Is he an upgrade on Riley Knight, Jared Petrenko or Matty Wright? I don’t think so and all of those players were moved on after a few years - replaced by Cameron and Betts

Ned is in trouble if he doesn’t find another gear


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This sums it up perfectly. He’s a bog average footballer and with our forward line now there isn’t a place for him.

And he’s not good enough to be an AFL mid, no matter what he did as a junior. By Mutineer theory every draftee who showed something at junior level makes it, which quite clearly is not the case.

 

[George Kramer]

Frampton's also a defender who couldn't defend a tree

If we looked to trade Knight after his 19-game fourth season I'd say he'd have been of similar value. The problem is he didn't improve from that point, and ended up a 25-year-old nothing burger. Given the position we were in after 2020, there was no point keeping him on the list

Ned might well go the same way as Knight over the course of the next few years, but at least still has time on his side. The way things seem to be going, we'll need someone like Pedlar to overtake him, though

Given McHenry is a nothing burger, we should have kept Knight and done something better with the first round pick, like trade up and get Rozee.

 

[rabidcrow]

Given McHenry is a nothing burger, we should have kept Knight and done something better with the first round pick, like trade up and get Rozee.

I think our total fixation was likely Luko and Rankine - and we couldn’t get GC to budge

Fortunately we have gone a long way to fixing that this year!




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[Danger in Texas]

Given McHenry is a nothing burger, we should have kept Knight and done something better with the first round pick, like trade up and get Rozee.

Disagree we should've kept Knight, with or without Ned

Not seeing the need to trade up to a pick to get Rozee was definitely a misjudgment, I reckon we were so focused on trading up for Rankine (which was always never going to happen) that we missed an easier, smarter opportunity

 

[skittlebrew]

Disagree we should've kept Knight, with or without Ned

Not seeing the need to trade up to a pick to get Rozee was definitely a misjudgment, I reckon we were so focused on trading up for Rankine (which was always never going to happen) that we missed an easier, smarter opportunity

Agreed re Knight

Were we not into Rozee at all? I thought we were? We just weren't willing to pay the piper, Port were.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Agreed re Knight

Were we not into Rozee at all? I thought we were? We just weren't willing to pay the piper, Port were.

We probably would've been, but not to the extent we should've been

 

[skittlebrew]

This sums it up perfectly. He’s a bog average footballer and with our forward line now there isn’t a place for him.

And he’s not good enough to be an AFL mid, no matter what he did as a junior. By Mutineer theory every draftee who showed something at junior level makes it, which quite clearly is not the case.

You're being an optimist, Ned dreams of being a bog average footballer. The handful of good plays he's done were always accompanied by multiple terrible things in the same game.

Anyone who thinks Ned would last 5 minutes in the midfield is dreaming. Would get absolutely manhandled by big bodied mids. Sloane still has PTSD from what Graham did to him in the granny, Ned is smaller again. Absolutely does not have the physical traits to be an AFL level midfielder outside of his endurance.

 

[GreyCrow]

Regarding Luko , Rankine and Rozee - I think our priority was Rankine then Luko then Rozee - and having watched the championships that year I can see why

Rankine was in cruise mode and still stood out. Luko got his mojo in SANFL and expectations rose on that

Rozee in the champs game was ok - but like Luko his star rose on the back of the SANFL and skyrocketed in Finals

I had the feeling our strategy was all in on Rankine and we thought GC would fold

 

[George Kramer]

I think our total fixation was likely Luko and Rankine - and we couldn’t get GC to budge

Fortunately we have gone a long way to fixing that this year!




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That’s a exactly what happened but we could have had Rankine and Rozee…imagine how much stronger our side would be

 

[George Kramer]

Disagree we should've kept Knight, with or without Ned

Not seeing the need to trade up to a pick to get Rozee was definitely a misjudgment, I reckon we were so focused on trading up for Rankine (which was always never going to happen) that we missed an easier, smarter opportunity

Knight was better than Ned, so keeping him meant we might not have drafted Ned, so that’s a win.

That’s what happened but we misjudged it and ****ed that whole draft hand we had.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Knight was better than Ned, so keeping him meant we might not have drafted Ned, so that’s a win.

That’s what happened but we misjudged it and ****ed that whole draft hand we had.

That argument only holds up if we delisted Knight after 2018

And we definitely didn’t think ‘oh we’re going to delist this 23-year-old in two years, let’s draft his replacement now’ when getting Ned in

 

[Apsaalooke]

if you read I said 14-23 part of the draft

even port would not have realised how good butters is. jones was the safe bet as the AA rover that year. why jones has been slow developing is the 8th wonder of the world

My post was mainly about missing Callum Wilkie, a local at that, and ramifications such as having to then pick another tall defender in McAsey the next year.
You're right about 14-23 being ordinary, and most of the rest of the draft after that really. I only mentioned Butters to say the Wilkie miss was second to that.

Jones I could understand at the time but McHenry was a big reach, even in a lousy draft.

 

[skittlebrew]

Regarding Luko , Rankine and Rozee - I think our priority was Rankine then Luko then Rozee - and having watched the championships that year I can see why

Rankine was in cruise mode and still stood out. Luko got his mojo in SANFL and expectations rose on that

Rozee in the champs game was ok - but like Luko his star rose on the back of the SANFL and skyrocketed in Finals

I had the feeling our strategy was all in on Rankine and we thought GC would fold

I think we had a raging hardon for Luko but we knew we had zero chance of getting him, whereas Rankine you have .01% chance of landing him if you sold the farm. You don't waste too much time and effort on things that will never happen.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think we had a raging hardon for Luko but we knew we had zero chance of getting him, whereas Rankine you have .01% chance of landing him if you sold the farm. You don't waste too much time and effort on things that will never happen.

Agree .. I reckon we were in love with Luko and thought he’d be a generational key forward

Obv Glad we didn’t get in a position to get him in hindsight

 

[jackster83]

Agree .. I reckon we were in love with Luko and thought he’d be a generational key forward

Obv Glad we didn’t get in a position to get him in hindsight

He'd be a whipping boy if he played for us.

 

[George Kramer]

Agree .. I reckon we were in love with Luko and thought he’d be a generational key forward

Obv Glad we didn’t get in a position to get him in hindsight

He still would have been worth the 3 picks given who we used them on

 

[crow2crow]

He'd be a whipping boy if he played for us.

hes jack watts reincarnated

 

[cleanhands]

He'd be a whipping boy if he played for us.

He is and doesn’t even play for us

 

[Golumless]

You're being an optimist, Ned dreams of being a bog average footballer. The handful of good plays he's done were always accompanied by multiple terrible things in the same game.

Anyone who thinks Ned would last 5 minutes in the midfield is dreaming. Would get absolutely manhandled by big bodied mids. Sloane still has PTSD from what Graham did to him in the granny, Ned is smaller again. Absolutely does not have the physical traits to be an AFL level midfielder outside of his endurance.

You vastly overrate what a bog average footballer is.

Hint: It's Ned. The dude is the definition of just average.

 

[skittlebrew]

You vastly overrate what a bog average footballer is.

Hint: It's Ned. The dude is the definition of just average.

His contributions to the team are always a net deficit.

How many Ned's does Geelong have?

Least Matt Crouch could find the ball, you have to give him that. And what is Matt's value on the open market? Zilch

*Edit

It seems he does flirt with the relm of average

 

[Danger in Texas]

His contributions to the team are always a net deficit.

How many Ned's does Geelong have?

Least Matt Crouch could find the ball, you have to give him that. And what is Matt's value on the open market? Zilch

Jason Castagna has three premierships

I know it's the exception rather than the norm, but you do find pressure smalls who play ugly in most sides. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking to improve on those types of players where we can, though