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Which of these players do you think will be selected in the Crows' Round 1 team?

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Golumless said:
Yeah, he's only rated as elite in 2022 (for small forwards w/o a midfield rotation, as aflstatpro seemingly has a 2nd position seeing how it seems to have some sorting with bands) at contested disposals, contested possession rate, ground ball gets (including the league leader of F50 ground ball gets), and stoppage clearances.

There is nothing in Rankines profile that indicates a lack of contested game.
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Whack!
 
Jeffcrowe said:
Yep, agree Definitely not

Still don’t think strauchan or ROB are much chop it’s just that ROB is a little bit better
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Accept that. But there’s evidence that ROB is a LOT better after being dropped and having to earn his spot. In a rebuilding side there’s no functional difference between playing either of them. But the lesson of senior players performing to their potential instead of just keeping ahead of their immediate competition is invaluable. We don’t challenge our senior players over their output anywhere near enough. And we’re too happy for injury to be an excuse even though we have juniors in good form and raring to go.
 
StickerMan said:
Hang on, you said he struggles with the contested part of the game, not the clearances.

Someone provided data to counter your claim indicating that his contested game is elite for small forwards.

He has only just got his body right and no doubt GC had him pegged as moving to the midfield, however they have been blessed with multiple high draft picks that are mostly mids.

His draft year saw him dominate in the midfield for SA, when he spent time in there.

He is not a contested beast but will win his fair chunk of clearances at stoppages, as a mid, when given a chance.

He is our Shai Bolton. I won't say he will be better but won't be far off.

Top 5 will be looked back as a bargain, provided he stays fit.
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Top 5 being a bargain is more than just talent + fitness. There’s a component that has been questioned all the way and is yet to be answered. We need to hope that we have a player that is determined to get the absolute best out of himself. If that happens then I’m sure 5 could like a bargain.
 

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1970crow said:
Accept that. But there’s evidence that ROB is a LOT better after being dropped and having to earn his spot. In a rebuilding side there’s no functional difference between playing either of them. But the lesson of senior players performing to their potential instead of just keeping ahead of their immediate competition is invaluable. We don’t challenge our senior players over their output anywhere near enough. And we’re too happy for injury to be an excuse even though we have juniors in good form and raring to go.
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I agree that every player should be being pushed to play to their potential, but dropping them in favour of a lesser player to "make a statement" isn't the answer.

You might get a short term anger/ shame based response, but I haven't seen many meaningful long term responses from this approach. And I have seen coaches lose a player, or the entire playing group, from these types of mind games.

This doesn't mean a player should never be dropped for legitimate reasons, eg practising a new skill/ approach in a lesser comp, rewarding good form of players in the 2's.
 
Big Dub said:
I agree that every player should be being pushed to play to their potential, but dropping them in favour of a lesser player to "make a statement" isn't the answer.

You might get a short term anger/ shame based response, but I haven't seen many meaningful long term responses from this approach. And I have seen coaches lose a player, or the entire playing group, from these types of mind games.

This doesn't mean a player should never be dropped for legitimate reasons, eg practising a new skill/ approach in a lesser comp, rewarding good form of players in the 2's.
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It's not "making a statement", it's saying to the player that we think you're out of form and need to regain some confidence in the 2s and tyat the other bloke has earned his spot. What you've provided is an excuse to avoid doing what needs to be done for fear of the player having their feelings hurt. And that's exactly where this club is and why we're so average. And if you could provide some examples of these players and groups being lost to your "mind games", AKA reasonable selection philosophy, then that'd be awesome.
 
1970crow said:
Top 5 being a bargain is more than just talent + fitness. There’s a component that has been questioned all the way and is yet to be answered. We need to hope that we have a player that is determined to get the absolute best out of himself. If that happens then I’m sure 5 could like a bargain.
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100% agree.

I've just got this feeling that Izak wants to be regarded as one of the best players in the competition. It looks like the penny dropped with him this year at the Suns.

Skill, talent, fitness and X factor + determined = razzle dazzle, boy oh boy, wowee.
 
A bit of common sense from a Crow hater on SEN , “crows are tough and gritty but lack polish , you can’t have that much talent and money 80 meters from the ball. One ( Rankine or Rachele )will be around the ball at all times from hhf or midfield.
Will win between 8-11 games.

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Korn and Jenkins

personally looking forward to some Rankine midfield magic, think some of the bursts will be mind boggling.
 
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CROW in BALI said:
A bit of common sense from a Crow hater on SEN , “crows are tough and gritty but lack polish , you can’t have that much talent and money 80 meters from the ball. One will be around the ball at all times from hhf or midfield.
Will win between 8-11 games.

Korn and Jenkins

personally looking forward to some Rankine midfield magic, think some of the bursts will be mind boggling.
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With that poster name I hope you are married 🤞
 
1970crow said:
It's not "making a statement", it's saying to the player that we think you're out of form and need to regain some confidence in the 2s and tyat the other bloke has earned his spot. What you've provided is an excuse to avoid doing what needs to be done for fear of the player having their feelings hurt. And that's exactly where this club is and why we're so average. And if you could provide some examples of these players and groups being lost to your "mind games", AKA reasonable selection philosophy, then that'd be awesome.
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What I've provided is an opinion, not an excuse.

I think that ROB was dropped this year to work on some parts of his game that he didn't seem to be able to work on during AFL games. Strachan deserved his shot for his excellent SANFL form. I have no issues with that decision, it was the right call.

But Strachan was not as good at AFL level as the form that got ROB dropped and ROB's form at SANFL level was far superior to Strachan's form that got him an AFL spot. So Strachan didn't deserve a place in the side above ROB on talent/ performance. Given how ROB dominated SANFL, I'm not sure continually working on his game deficiencies there would better prepare him for AFL games.

So dropping ROB again, and apologies if I misread your post and that wasn't your suggestion, is what I would have issues with. That would be playing a lesser player over a better player to "make a statement", that statement being "I'd rather punish/ manipulate you than work with you to overcome the parts of your game that I think that you can improve on".

And in my experience/ opinion, as a player and coach, dropping a player in favour of a lesser player doesn't create a better outcome for the better player or for the team. No matter how upset the fans are. Working with both players to be the best player they can be is a better approach and keeps team connectivity.

The 2 worst coaches for that for me were coaches that I played under, not AFL coaches. Whether it's playing their favourites or riding some players and not others, it creates fractures in the playing group (or the entire club in one case). It can work short term, as both coaches got premierships, but then performance drops off as players stop playing for the team or just check out. Both coaches were sacked by the club during that downturn in performance (because who sacks a premiership coach), one of them by me. For the record, both coaches treated me fine and I was even one of the favourites for one of them.

We've probably all played for at least one of those coaches and I haven't heard even the favourite players say that those coaches were great coaches. Usually the opposite.

As for AFL examples, just about every coach is sacked for allegedly losing the playing group, but often that's probably just a handy sound bite. It is hard to really know for sure unless you are in the environment.
 
skittlebrew said:
I hope so but I'll believe it when I see it.

GC had an elite mid on their hands but choose to never unleash him? Seems odd but I guess we are talking GC.

Carlton had similar ambitions for Zac Williams and we know how that panned out...
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I mean, it's not particularly uncommon for clubs to be conservative with transitioning sub 50 game players into the midfield. Throw in a rough third year + an ACL injury to Ben King and there is certainly impetuous to kick the can down the road.

StickerMan said:
He is our Shai Bolton. I won't say he will be better but won't be far off.

Top 5 will be looked back as a bargain, provided he stays fit.
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I think that'll be the idea coming into the year, however it'll be abandoned by round 12. After all, Adelaide is too desperate for midfield class to commit to that long term with Rankine if he takes.

Rachele on the other hand...
 

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Big Dub said:
What I've provided is an opinion, not an excuse.

I think that ROB was dropped this year to work on some parts of his game that he didn't seem to be able to work on during AFL games. Strachan deserved his shot for his excellent SANFL form. I have no issues with that decision, it was the right call.

But Strachan was not as good at AFL level as the form that got ROB dropped and ROB's form at SANFL level was far superior to Strachan's form that got him an AFL spot. So Strachan didn't deserve a place in the side above ROB on talent/ performance. Given how ROB dominated SANFL, I'm not sure continually working on his game deficiencies there would better prepare him for AFL games.

So dropping ROB again, and apologies if I misread your post and that wasn't your suggestion, is what I would have issues with. That would be playing a lesser player over a better player to "make a statement", that statement being "I'd rather punish/ manipulate you than work with you to overcome the parts of your game that I think that you can improve on".

And in my experience/ opinion, as a player and coach, dropping a player in favour of a lesser player doesn't create a better outcome for the better player or for the team. No matter how upset the fans are. Working with both players to be the best player they can be is a better approach and keeps team connectivity.

The 2 worst coaches for that for me were coaches that I played under, not AFL coaches. Whether it's playing their favourites or riding some players and not others, it creates fractures in the playing group (or the entire club in one case). It can work short term, as both coaches got premierships, but then performance drops off as players stop playing for the team or just check out. Both coaches were sacked by the club during that downturn in performance (because who sacks a premiership coach), one of them by me. For the record, both coaches treated me fine and I was even one of the favourites for one of them.

We've probably all played for at least one of those coaches and I haven't heard even the favourite players say that those coaches were great coaches. Usually the opposite.

As for AFL examples, just about every coach is sacked for allegedly losing the playing group, but often that's probably just a handy sound bite. It is hard to really know for sure unless you are in the environment.
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Nah, ROB was playing like trash and deserved to be dropped.

For your second or third highest paid player (who is also in the LG) to be dropped during the year and not finish in the top 10 of the B&F is a disgrace.
 
jackster83 said:
Nah, ROB was playing like trash and deserved to be dropped.

For your second or third highest paid player (who is also in the LG) to be dropped during the year and not finish in the top 10 of the B&F is a disgrace.
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I think we all agree that ROB was underperforming, Strachan deserved the 2 games he got and that ROB underperformed (after a couple of better games) once back at AFL level.

I just don't think dropping him again for a clearly lesser player would have created a better outcome for the team or for ROB. I've seen it backfire spectacularly more than I've seen it work spectacularly and so I think that there are better approaches to underperformance. But this is purely my opinion, from my own footballing experiences. Others will have different opinions based upon different experiences (success stories not yet provided . . .)
 
Golumless said:
I mean, it's not particularly uncommon for clubs to be conservative with transitioning sub 50 game players into the midfield. Throw in a rough third year + an ACL injury to Ben King and there is certainly impetuous to kick the can down the road.
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Crom are notorious for not mixing it up in the middle and we still gave Rachele some spurts in his first year
 
Betts are off said:
I wonder if Rankine and Rachele in the F50 ends up improving Newchurch's chances of playing. Showing a F50 with a couple of ultra offensive, speed weapons may open the eyes of the selection committee on ways to utilise Tarieks strengths. Rather then focusing on his weaknesses.

Fingers crossed anyway. Would love to see a kid with those natural gifts start to figure it out. Not sure i can even remember a Crow with that level of raw pace at his disposal
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If you watched Newchurch in the finals this year you wouldn't hold out much hope for him. He was terrible. I'm surprised he is still on our list tbh.
 
jackster83 said:
Nah, ROB was playing like trash and deserved to be dropped.

For your second or third highest paid player (who is also in the LG) to be dropped during the year and not finish in the top 10 of the B&F is a disgrace.
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That contract is a weight around our necks. ROB is an average player who should have an average wage.
 
Slippery Pete said:
There’s some very ordinary players on some staggering figures there
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Noting it is some guesswork too.

They have access to how many players are paid in each salary range per club, but then they guess which players.
 
Carnage at crows training this morning. Young worrell looks to have incurred a serious leg injury. Looks like high hamstring. Pity as he has been on fire at training this week and
Looks full of confidence.

Smith incurred another knock to the head and was taken off promptly. Did not look concussed

Standard of training this year superior to last.

Last years draftees looked a little tired today after first week on track.

Michelanney played on Rankine on Wednesday and did a fine job

Milera Looks much better and fitter. Pedlar looking very svelte and fit. This could be a breakout year Murray was very impressive today.

Borlase excellent on Wednesday.

Sloane trained with main group for first time for a part of the session

Mcadam newchurch doedee training away from group

gollant not showing out at training as he did last year
 

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