Autopsy PRESEASON - Geelong v Brisbane Thursday Mar 2 2023, 710pm @Holmes Arena

[you pick one]

Cooper White is a prototype of Hayden Young of Freo with his weapon left foot !!! He has pace and awareness. Exciting prospect.

Great exponent of the drop punt lower and flatter than most and a bit more back spin were first impressions, you would love to be a forward on the end of his work.
I'm on the bandwagon.

 

[calder_daddy]

Great exponent of the drop punt lower and flatter than most and a bit more back spin were first impressions, you would love to be a forward on the end of his work.
I'm on the bandwagon.

Can’t remember the last time we had a young player come in and take kick ins “all be it in a pre season game”
Possibly a young Josh Hunt

 

[kittypurry]

For those asking about Maxy Holmes, he tackled Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

on the wing. It made a huge thud and Max was wincing immediately. Got to his feet and jogged straight to the bench, where he doubled over clutching his chest. Didn't look like much on television but in person the sound of their bodies colliding was brutal and the young lad was in a fair amount of pain. I figured he was badly winded at the time.

 

[you pick one]

For those asking about Maxy Holmes, he tackled Charlie Cameron on the wing. It made a huge thud and Max was wincing immediately. Got to his feet and jogged straight to the bench, where he doubled over clutching his chest. Didn't look like much on television but in person the sound of their bodies colliding was brutal and the young lad was in a fair amount of pain. I figured he was badly winded at the time.

Nothing like being at the ground

 

[DanA]

like Stewart, Zuthrie, Bews?
And at times, Tuohy.
And DeKoning?
And Jack Henry?

Only Stewart and Touhy I’d call rebounding defenders. Guys that coaches actively try to position for handball receives and whose pace and/or footskills are game planned to break the lines.

The other guys are just good versatile defenders with mobility/skill who might do that when circumstances dictate. I’d say the kid looks like (as he develops) a proper rebounding defender.

 

[Drunkcat]

Only Stewart and Touhy I’d call rebounding defenders. Guys that coaches actively try to position for handball receives and whose pace and/or footskills are game planned to break the lines.

The other guys are just good versatile defenders with mobility/skill who might do that when circumstances dictate. I’d say the kid looks like (as he develops) a proper rebounding defender.

Zuthrie is a rebounding defender and good at it

 

[DanA]

Zuthrie is a rebounding defender and good at it

Not really. He’s more of a rebounding defender than the others who are all single digit kick guys (per game) but it’s pretty clear from a game plan perspective that Stewart, Touhy and Duncan (when back) are the players we actively try to have carry the ball out of defence. That’s also reflected in stats where they see 50% more of the ball than Zuthrie does.

He’s a good players, can rebound but not a genuine rebounding defender.

 

[Vdubs]

Only Stewart and Touhy I’d call rebounding defenders. Guys that coaches actively try to position for handball receives and whose pace and/or footskills are game planned to break the lines.

The other guys are just good versatile defenders with mobility/skill who might do that when circumstances dictate. I’d say the kid looks like (as he develops) a proper rebounding defender.

Bews often breaks the lines when he gets the ball, but he's mainly used as lock down, but they all do it apart from Kolo- my only point was that I don't perceive that we have been CRAVING a rebound defender

 

[Lana]

Not really. He’s more of a rebounding defender than the others who are all single digit kick guys (per game) but it’s pretty clear from a game plan perspective that Stewart, Touhy and Duncan (when back) are the players we actively try to have carry the ball out of defence. That’s also reflected in stats where they see 50% more of the ball than Zuthrie does.

He’s a good players, can rebound but not a genuine rebounding defender.

It goes down to assessing a player from a role compared to an attribute perspective. From a role perspective he certainly played the rebounding role at times in the team, when Stewart is being tagged or suspended. And as the game are fluid affairs, he has played the rebounding role in certain plays, which serves to highlight his suitability for the role. His a good user by foot, makes decent decisions, can take an intercept mark. Likes to take running handball receives. He isn't just isn't first choice in the role given our spread of aging elite ball users.

 

[Mr Meow]

Bews often breaks the lines when he gets the ball, but he's mainly used as lock down, but they all do it apart from Kolo- my only point was that I don't perceive that we have been CRAVING a rebound defender

Most defenders by default will "rebound" to some degree, of course. I think Dan is simply referring to the player profile where they are often collecting 25+ possessions and being rated more based on the link up/counter attack ball use than on their defensive work. Perhaps even being forgiven for average or below average defensive ability (occasionally a gem like Stewart appears who can do both, but his strength is still more in the rebounding). Guys that will be floated on the wing and half forward and do their damage from ball use primarily.

Zuthrie is one of many hybrid defenders, a jack of all trades, but not a Touhy/Mackie-esque rebounding specialist. When Touhy and Duncan retire there will be a need for similar replacements. Bowes was perhaps going to be one but it seems he will be more based in the midfield.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Zuthrie is one of many hybrid defenders, a jack of all trades, but not a Touhy/Mackie-esque rebounding specialist. When Touhy and Duncan retire there will be a need for similar replacements. Bowes was perhaps going to be one but it seems he will be more based in the midfield.

I love half back flankers who kicked goals - take multiple bounces - and then a goal on the run - Mackie was a great exponent of that . David King of Nth Melb was exactly the same - multiple bounces then a goal on the run - apart from the 6 pts - pretty inspirational to the team as well

Its terrible luck for J Henry with that foot injury - fingers crossed with that foot injury and all the rest of it - hes an ok player - but i thought he was a tad negative - and i think Sav can come into the senior team and cover his loss

 

[Mr Meow]

I love half back flankers who kicked goals - take multiple bounces - and then a goal on the run - Mackie was a great exponent of that . David King of Nth Melb was exactly the same - multiple bounces then a goal on the run - apart from the 6 pts - pretty inspirational to the team as well

Its terrible luck for J Henry with that foot injury - fingers crossed with that foot injury and all the rest of it - hes an ok player - but i thought he was a tad negative - and i think Sav can come into the senior team and cover his loss

There were many running Mackie goals from outside 50 down in Geelong I witnessed and they got the crowd going for sure. If you rewatch any of the big Geelong finals the amount of line breaking he did was crazy too, often right down the corridor. Almost an underrated component of that great team - at least to people outside of Geelong.

J.Henry had that one great year where he really did intercept everything and set up attacking plays. After his injuries started he's still been valuable and has flashes of brilliance but perhaps hasn't quite found that authority that could take him to the next level. But confidence with recurring injuries for a young player is always going to be an issue, so hopefully these foot issues don't keep popping up every year.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

There were many running Mackie goals from outside 50 down in Geelong I witnessed and they got the crowd going for sure. If you rewatch any of the big Geelong finals the amount of line breaking he did was crazy too, often right down the corridor. Almost an underrated component of that great team - at least to people outside of Geelong.

J.Henry had that one great year where he really did intercept everything and set up attacking plays. After his injuries started he's still been valuable and has flashes of brilliance but perhaps hasn't quite found that authority that could take him to the next level. But confidence with recurring injuries for a young player is always going to be an issue, so hopefully these foot issues don't keep popping up every year.

David Wojinski..

 

[Vdubs]

David Wojinski..

Simply Irreplaceable

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Simply Irreplaceable

Mackie was a better/ more reliable kick

One of Mackies best running goals ( and there were plenty of them ) was one of them a tFootball Park against Port Adelaide - pretty sure it was 2008 - Ablett fed him the ball and Mackie did the rest - and at a vital stage of the game - very important goal to Geelong

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Ok, hear me out, are you ready for some galaxy brain thinking? The most imaginative coping mechanism you can conjure? I haven't watched the game yet but, let's consider:

1) Our Rd 1 opponent is Collingwood. Collingwood last year played a forward line that was often composed of medium forwards at best. Around the 188 to 191 mark.

2) Neither Hawks nor Brisbane play a forward line that short, meaning the cats players won't get practice against a forward line resembling their round 1 opponent.

So if you want to observe the weaknesses of your opposition structure, without being able to play against it, how do you recreate it? Play an undersized forward line and give your side first hand experience at the holes that can be created through this style.

....

Note: Yes I know that team selection was availability driven. This post is sarcastic

 

[My5t3r10u5]

Missed the game, how did the defence work with both SDK and Sav in it? Can it function with both or us Sav a replacement only?

I think in any other team Sav would be a gun key defender but worry he can’t coexist with SDK. Thoughts?

Can definitely function with both and IMO Sav has played himself into the Rd 1 team. I thought Sav looked super impressive and one of the best defenders of the pre-season. He will play CHB and they will fill the rest of the positions around him. He also benefits from J Henry missing and possibly Kolo (pending concussion protocols).

 

[winty]

Stick a fork in us, we're done...

 

[goyoucatters]

Stick a fork in us, we're done...

The prospects of the Cats might not be the only thing Jeff has been overestimating.

 

[standupand]

Ok, hear me out, are you ready for some galaxy brain thinking? The most imaginative coping mechanism you can conjure? I haven't watched the game yet but, let's consider:

1) Our Rd 1 opponent is Collingwood. Collingwood last year played a forward line that was often composed of medium forwards at best. Around the 188 to 191 mark.

2) Neither Hawks nor Brisbane play a forward line that short, meaning the cats players won't get practice against a forward line resembling their round 1 opponent.

So if you want to observe the weaknesses of your opposition structure, without being able to play against it, how do you recreate it? Play an undersized forward line and give your side first hand experience at the holes that can be created through this style.

....

Note: Yes I know that team selection was availability driven. This post is sarcastic

Genius.

 

[standupand]

Stick a fork in us, we're done...

Jeff went on to say that we just don't have the psychological drive of other teams, and that Brisbane beat us when it matters..

 

[Vdubs]

Jeff went on to say that we just don't have the psychological drive of other teams, and that Brisbane beat us when it matters..

It's all possibly true.
Not my thoughts, but perceptions, ??
That hunger we had for that elusive flag is just not the same now. Other teams want it more than we do, no matter how much we supporters love that feeling. Going through the pain barriers last season, the list management, the absolute unfinished business ethic, that will not be there to that extent this year.
No Selwood.
No Hawkins for a while.
Cameron about to have a baby.
Henry missing most of 23.
Another year older for our already aged list.
Our MF is potentially a concern.
5-7 is still very competitive.
Many teams have won a flag and gone missing the next year.

 

[And_ROOS]

Stick a fork in us, we're done...

Ahh yes, supporter of the team who's fanbase were rabidly screaming "flagmantle" by rd 10 and then did nothing accuses us of being cooked after a preseason match.

 

[And_ROOS]

It's all possibly true.
That hunger we had for that elusive flag is just not the same now. Other teams want it more than we do, no matter how much we supporters love that feeling. Going through the pain barriers last season, the list management, the absolute unfinished business ethic, that will not be there to that extent this year.
No Selwood.
No Hawkins for a while.
Cameron about to have a baby.
Henry missing most of 23.
Another year older for our already aged list.
Our MF is potentially a concern.
5-7 is still very competitive.
Many teams have won a flag and gone missing the next year.

Heard a lot of this story before.
No Danger for a while, Henry missing for a chunk of the season, list is another year older...

Our midfield a concern? Its largely the same midfield from the GF but swapping Joel for either Holmes, Bruhn or Bowes, and what we have seen from Bruhn so far I think we are going to be fineeee.

 

[DanA]

There were many running Mackie goals from outside 50 down in Geelong I witnessed and they got the crowd going for sure. If you rewatch any of the big Geelong finals the amount of line breaking he did was crazy too, often right down the corridor. Almost an underrated component of that great team - at least to people outside of Geelong.

J.Henry had that one great year where he really did intercept everything and set up attacking plays. After his injuries started he's still been valuable and has flashes of brilliance but perhaps hasn't quite found that authority that could take him to the next level. But confidence with recurring injuries for a young player is always going to be an issue, so hopefully these foot issues don't keep popping up every year.

What attributes though? He’s not particularly fast or an elite runner, his kicking is decent but not elite and he doesn’t read the game like Enright to compensate for that. He’s more Darren Milburn than Mackie or another rebounding defender.