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[Lord Nev]

Watch the tape. Viney gets in Oliver’s way all the time.

He is a turnover merchant. He was BOG for the Swans yesterday, lead them in score involvements

In terms of yesterdays game, the following players had a higher turnover per disposal rating than Viney:

Hunter
ANB
Sparrow
Melksham
Lever

Now I'm not arguing Viney's disposal isn't often very poor, but let's not pretend 1. He's odd man out 2. He's any chance to be dropped.

We're all automatically calling for Kozzy straight back in, but he's only 1 turnover a game behind Viney (same amount of disposals) so far.

What I'm saying with all of the above is using turnovers as a concept of non-selection is an example of supporters getting caught up in one thing and not looking at the big picture - which is: He's currently our captain, and he is a key contributor in terms of clearances, tackles and contested possessions (which are pillars of our game style). You're wasting your time calling for him to be dropped, and frankly comments like 'he was BOG for the Swans' are the type that just cop the groans and eye rolls the rest of us nuffies standing on the outer.

 

[TheBoss]

Do you really think Viney deserves another run after two poor weeks in a row?

Let him find form at Casey.

 

[Lord Nev]

Do you really think Viney deserves another run after two poor weeks in a row?

Let him find form at Casey.

I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain mate...

 

[Daemon]

BBB needs to be rested/managed, even if he was in AA form. Having him in the best condition possible for finals is the bigger picture here. That said.

If McDonald can get some form, then a McDonald, Petty and Van Rooey forward line looks great.
- I think this might be the way they go.

Pickett has to come back in, so that has to be (if not BBB). Bowey, Jordon, Viney or Sparrow (maybe Rivers).

• It will not be Viney though I think it should.
• It could be Bowey I am not sure if they are that keen on him as a full on defender.
• Jordan showed a bit so that might save him.
• Sparrow seemed to play a defensive role so that is why he looked quiet ?

As a side note, it is nice that Pickett is no longer needed in the Forward 50 anymore as a full time player.

If anyone has some injury issues, that are impacting them like BBB, this is a good game to rest them.

I respectfully disagree re: Bowey. He is clear best 22 and should never have been dropped last year. Has to stay in the team.

 

[djpaulydemon]

In terms of yesterdays game, the following players had a higher turnover per disposal rating than Viney:

Hunter
ANB
Sparrow
Melksham
Lever

Now I'm not arguing Viney's disposal isn't often very poor, but let's not pretend 1. He's odd man out 2. He's any chance to be dropped.

We're all automatically calling for Kozzy straight back in, but he's only 1 turnover a game behind Viney (same amount of disposals) so far.

What I'm saying with all of the above is using turnovers as a concept of non-selection is an example of supporters getting caught up in one thing and not looking at the big picture - which is: He's currently our captain, and he is a key contributor in terms of clearances, tackles and contested possessions (which are pillars of our game style). You're wasting your time calling for him to be dropped, and frankly comments like 'he was BOG for the Swans' are the type that just cop the groans and eye rolls the rest of us nuffies standing on the outer.

Turnovers are context specific. Melkshams were bad thats for sure. Vineys were also horrible and relatively unforced. He also got in the way and coughed up the ball many times that wouldn't have registed as a possession.

He isnt getting dropped. But he isn't in good touch and maybe should of spent more time getting his body right after his injury.

 

[Lord Nev]

Turnovers are context specific. Melkshams were bad thats for sure. Vineys were also horrible and relatively unforced. He also got in the way and coughed up the ball many times that wouldn't have registed as a possession.

He isnt getting dropped. But he isn't in good touch and maybe should of spent more time getting his body right after his injury.

True, they are context specific, which is why Petracca and Oliver lead us for turnovers - clearance mids often do.

For mine, Gus is the one I think should be under more scrutiny for his disposal.

In saying that, I do agree Viney's form has not been good and his disposal a bit reminiscent of 2016 era Vines, but as I mentioned earlier, I think within that wider context of captaincy and game styles I just can't see him coming out at the moment.

 

[demondavey]

Kozi for brown and brown never to return again. Our forward line looked a million times better with blokes who don't fold like laundry with any sign of a defender near them. Incredible for a team to play so well and have one bloke clearly play so badly he was ripped out of the side and then momentum swings back.

Interesting.

So you’re confident JVR and Fritsch can hold down the key posts? I mean, is there any such thing as CHF or FF anymore?

ANB, Spargo, Pickett, JVR, Fritsch, Chandler.

Then we’d put Grundy / Gawn back when Gawn is fit.

I’d like to see it tried, but I feel not playing Brown and McDonald may be too much for Goodwin.

 

[demondavey]

BBB needs to be rested/managed, even if he was in AA form. Having him in the best condition possible for finals is the bigger picture here. That said.

If McDonald can get some form, then a McDonald, Petty and Van Rooey forward line looks great.
- I think this might be the way they go.

Pickett has to come back in, so that has to be (if not BBB). Bowey, Jordon, Viney or Sparrow (maybe Rivers).

• It will not be Viney though I think it should.
• It could be Bowey I am not sure if they are that keen on him as a full on defender.
• Jordan showed a bit so that might save him.
• Sparrow seemed to play a defensive role so that is why he looked quiet ?

As a side note, it is nice that Pickett is no longer needed in the Forward 50 anymore as a full time player.

If anyone has some injury issues, that are impacting them like BBB, this is a good game to rest them.

Bowey is our best ball user.

 

[demondavey]

Yeh, I feel this way with half the team unfortunately, we look best when we put together a quick series of handballs, get some run and then only need 1 or 2 kicks on target to get a goal.

Not sure why so many players are produced these days that struggle to hit an unpressured 30m pass to a lead.

Because kids playing underage footy these days are taught to pressure, train like anaerobic athletes, and learn to zone and defend space.

 

[Crusty Demon]

How many more games does Melk need for 100 games for us? Once that's reached, banish to Casey and leave him there.

 

[mrmonkey]

I don't care how much we conceded just play like millionaires, run off your man forward of the ball and try and kick 25+.

Genuine chance to put a team to the sword this week. Something we rarely have done in the past.

We beat them by 70 points last year but it was in that 10 game winning streak. It was probably one of the most uninspiring 70 point win I've seen, just boring footy after the first quarter.

Pretty simple for me Kozzie in brown out rested, omitted doesn't matter just make the change.

 

[Headless]

How many more games does Melk need for 100 games for us? Once that's reached, banish to Casey and leave him there.

Three, I think.

 

[djpaulydemon]

True, they are context specific, which is why Petracca and Oliver lead us for turnovers - clearance mids often do.

For mine, Gus is the one I think should be under more scrutiny for his disposal.

In saying that, I do agree Viney's form has not been good and his disposal a bit reminiscent of 2016 era Vines, but as I mentioned earlier, I think within that wider context of captaincy and game styles I just can't see him coming out at the moment.

Agree with Gus. Even when he has an effective disposal his kicks are floaters a few meters off which stop momentum for the receiving player or handballs to other defenders knees.

 

[Topkent]

I think we're stuck with one of Brown and TMac in the side at least until Gawn gets back.
We need to spread the load a bit until JVR and Petty get some games under their belt up forward. Got to remember they've got a grand total of 3 games experience up forward between them, yesterday was good but need to support them by using our veteran talls to draw one of the oppo's tall defenders away from them.

Neither of them are protection when they can't take a mark with an opponent within a km of them. Theyll have the best defenders on the other 2 anyway once they realise they actually attempt to mark it in the air.

 

[schmuttt]

I’m wary of us going too tall. Brown has been good for two rounds but the petty jvr combo actually looked so good I wouldn’t be changing it for a while. Both guys are competitive animals and always look to get involved.

 

[Topkent]

I’m wary of us going too tall. Brown has been good for two rounds but the petty jvr combo actually looked so good I wouldn’t be changing it for a while. Both guys are competitive animals and always look to get involved.

What would everyone pick if we only went in with 2 talls from now on. Cause I'd take the new guys with Fritsch I think that's plenty of marking

 

[Tulip]

I respectfully disagree re: Bowey. He is clear best 22 and should never have been dropped last year. Has to stay in the team.

Definitely clear best 22 but I think it was right he got dropped last year. He worked on a few things defensively and came back better for it

 

[Tulip]

I was happy with the defensive setup with Petty forward and Hibbo playing taller. For games when we need another tall back, I reckon the solution is staring us in the face. Flick McDonald back. Played well there last year when needed, and I don’t think he’s needed forward anymore. Despite his foot injury, he still moves better than Tommo IMO.

 

[schmuttt]

What would everyone pick if we only went in with 2 talls from now on. Cause I'd take the new guys with Fritsch I think that's plenty of marking

I’m the same. Gawn will come back in for a small but I really like the setup we ran on the weekend.

 

[Topkent]

I’m the same. Gawn will come back in for a small but I really like the setup we ran on the weekend.

If we run JVR Chandler and Petty forward for the rest of the year id genuinely reconsider our finishing position. That's an insanely positive change from Brown Tmac and Melk. Pickett and Rivers in the midfield and McVee down back and were a whole different beast even to round 1

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

We did bang on 6 goals quickly in the first quarter with Brown on there with JVR and Petty.
I'm not against a smaller forward line at all, in fact I argued for it for most of last year. But the argument for keeping Brown until Gawn gets back is that even though he's not personally getting it done in the air, not having him there allows teams to pick their best intercept marker and free him up to intercept the ball.

Brown/TMac (or resting ruckman) + JVR, Petty and Fritsch is going to stretch most defences for tall defenders. And we can always sub off a tall as we did on the weekend if we need to.

Not really advocating one way or the other, but I would hate to see JVR and Petty who are learning their forward craft at senior level have to deal with an intercept defender who lets his smaller opponent go and drops off to cut off their opportunities.

 

[ZionMig22]

Looking at who is unavailable for WC this week makes me think playing Brown will be a good idea

No McGovern so Brown can be a decent option

HF - Pickett, Van Rooyen, Spargo
F - Petty, Brown, Fritsch

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Let's be honest, if we couldn't beat West Coast reserves with a forward line of Melk, Joel Smith, Moniz-Wakefield, Sestan, Laurie and Harmes this week I'd be disappointed.

 

[Topkent]

We did bang on 6 goals quickly in the first quarter with Brown on there with JVR and Petty.
I'm not against a smaller forward line at all, in fact I argued for it for most of last year. But the argument for keeping Brown until Gawn gets back is that even though he's not personally getting it done in the air, not having him there allows teams to pick their best intercept marker and free him up to intercept the ball.

Brown/TMac (or resting ruckman) + JVR, Petty and Fritsch is going to stretch most defences for tall defenders. And we can always sub off a tall as we did on the weekend if we need to.

Not really advocating one way or the other, but I would hate to see JVR and Petty who are learning their forward craft at senior level have to deal with an intercept defender who lets his smaller opponent go and drops off to cut off their opportunities.

Did the dogs stretch us. We had Lever Tommo and Petty and Petty was terrible. The logic doesn't make sense cause why would their best intercepter change his role if Brown plays? He's not playing on brown anyway he's the best interceptor.

 

[Toump Ass]

Training run this week. Give us the young guys and play around with the magnets to see what we got.

Casey would belt WC this week.