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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
Just on Russell Ebert, what exactly does he do at the club? I know he works for us, but does he travel with the squad interstate or get any time with the team one-on-one? Would be good to get him further involved if he isn't already
Just on Russell Ebert, what exactly does he do at the club? I know he works for us, but does he travel with the squad interstate or get any time with the team one-on-one? Would be good to get him further involved if he isn't already
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it is my understanding that he is employed by the club, he does a lot of the community developpment type of stuff , events, coaching clinics with kids etc
it doesn't appear that he has an official capacity in regards to the players eg coaching, mentoring etc- maybe he doesn't have the right attitude
it is my understanding that he is employed by the club, he does a lot of the community developpment type of stuff , events, coaching clinics with kids etc
it doesn't appear that he has an official capacity in regards to the players eg coaching, mentoring etc- maybe he doesn't have the right attitude
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I agree with you, socio economic issues play a big part, and there are issues at grass roots level, kids need to be playing footy at club level not just for their school team (which is usually free), and the cost of club sport to low income families with a couple of kids can be prohibitive - ask any parent with kids involved in sport in both summer and winter, fees, uniforms, boots, racquets, coaching etc it can be a huge expense, not to mention time commitment.
So, as with everything else, the kids whose families have the resources to provide more financially are more likely to have the opportunities, so a lot of the tougher kids are probably going to be eliminated from the sport at an early age, never having a chance of playing at AFL level regardless of ability - shame that!
So the end result is the clubs do get kids who have had everything all their lives, and probably never done it tough in anyway.
IMO it is a big issue when these kids join the club and they are treated like heroes and pampered from the day they arrive and before they even achieve anything at an elite level.
Probably always having been the hero in club and school footy and getting drafted to an AFL side is a pretty big deal among your mates and family when you are 17 or 18, so its understandable that when they join the club their opinion of themselves is pretty high.
They turn up have everything done for them - geez, they even have volunteers making their lunch for them, why can't a kid make their own sandwich for heavens sake? are they trying to replace their mothers?
I know young kids have to be nurtured and they are often away from home, family, friends etc, but to me it seems a bit over the top how much they are molly-coddled and doesn't really go a long way towards buidling a strong character in the longer term.
Maybe at the pre-recruitment stage there should be a bit more done to investigate a potential recruits character rather than making decisions based solely on football ability, the club probably does take this into consideration to a point, but I wonder how much it influences decisions?
After all it really is no different from a job interview and for any high level role, character, cultural fit, attitude etc play a significant role in making the decision, rarely does it just come down to simply the technical qualifications of a candidate.
If a player does not have the toughness or the right attitude then the club is always going to be up against it when asking them to do the hard yards when things get tough.
I agree with you, socio economic issues play a big part, and there are issues at grass roots level, kids need to be playing footy at club level not just for their school team (which is usually free), and the cost of club sport to low income families with a couple of kids can be prohibitive - ask any parent with kids involved in sport in both summer and winter, fees, uniforms, boots, racquets, coaching etc it can be a huge expense, not to mention time commitment.
So, as with everything else, the kids whose families have the resources to provide more financially are more likely to have the opportunities, so a lot of the tougher kids are probably going to be eliminated from the sport at an early age, never having a chance of playing at AFL level regardless of ability - shame that!
So the end result is the clubs do get kids who have had everything all their lives, and probably never done it tough in anyway.
IMO it is a big issue when these kids join the club and they are treated like heroes and pampered from the day they arrive and before they even achieve anything at an elite level.
Probably always having been the hero in club and school footy and getting drafted to an AFL side is a pretty big deal among your mates and family when you are 17 or 18, so its understandable that when they join the club their opinion of themselves is pretty high.
They turn up have everything done for them - geez, they even have volunteers making their lunch for them, why can't a kid make their own sandwich for heavens sake? are they trying to replace their mothers?
I know young kids have to be nurtured and they are often away from home, family, friends etc, but to me it seems a bit over the top how much they are molly-coddled and doesn't really go a long way towards buidling a strong character in the longer term.
Maybe at the pre-recruitment stage there should be a bit more done to investigate a potential recruits character rather than making decisions based solely on football ability, the club probably does take this into consideration to a point, but I wonder how much it influences decisions?
After all it really is no different from a job interview and for any high level role, character, cultural fit, attitude etc play a significant role in making the decision, rarely does it just come down to simply the technical qualifications of a candidate.
If a player does not have the toughness or the right attitude then the club is always going to be up against it when asking them to do the hard yards when things get tough.
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
You have to wonder if Chris Scott was appointed coach if our ladder position would be any different?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-scott-new-cats-coach/story-e6frf9jf-1225939770009
I know Geelong have better players and the only real comparison could be when Geelong beat the crows and had a much younger team!
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2011/06/27/265291_news.html
You have to wonder if Chris Scott was appointed coach if our ladder position would be any different?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-scott-new-cats-coach/story-e6frf9jf-1225939770009
I know Geelong have better players and the only real comparison could be when Geelong beat the crows and had a much younger team!
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2011/06/27/265291_news.html
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
I wanted Scott, but nooooooo
We would not be in the top 8 even if we had Scott, but **** me we wouldn't be bottom either
I wanted Scott, but nooooooo
We would not be in the top 8 even if we had Scott, but **** me we wouldn't be bottom either
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
No. If we got Scott, he would've done his own cleanout at the club and implemented his own systems in place of what Primus is trying to do. Everyone would be baying for his blood and wishing for our favourite son Matty Primus instead. Scott inherited one of the best lists in the competition with a group of players hungry for one last premiership before their window closes. Primus in comparison got the lazy, mentally soft products of a mad mans failed experiment.
One thing Scott might have done however, is bring in his own assistants.
No. If we got Scott, he would've done his own cleanout at the club and implemented his own systems in place of what Primus is trying to do. Everyone would be baying for his blood and wishing for our favourite son Matty Primus instead. Scott inherited one of the best lists in the competition with a group of players hungry for one last premiership before their window closes. Primus in comparison got the lazy, mentally soft products of a mad mans failed experiment.
One thing Scott might have done however, is bring in his own assistants.
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
and Primus will bring in his own assistants next year, because now he has moneys to spend on them. Scott would have had exactly the same shithouse assistants.
and Primus will bring in his own assistants next year, because now he has moneys to spend on them. Scott would have had exactly the same shithouse assistants.
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
Eh, I don't think Primus, Laidley, Kingsley, Cripps would stay if Scott was the senior coach. It's too early to compare, but I do think we'd have a better structure and gameplan with Scott.
Eh, I don't think Primus, Laidley, Kingsley, Cripps would stay if Scott was the senior coach. It's too early to compare, but I do think we'd have a better structure and gameplan with Scott.
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And the coaches Scott took to Geelong are?
Blake Caracella? Nope.
Matt Egan? No.
Nigel Lappin? Not this one.
James Rahilly? Nope.
Brenton Sanderson? Big no.
Dale Amos? Nyet.
As an aside, Sanderson will be a big chance to coach the Crows.
And the coaches Scott took to Geelong are?
Blake Caracella? Nope.
Matt Egan? No.
Nigel Lappin? Not this one.
James Rahilly? Nope.
Brenton Sanderson? Big no.
Dale Amos? Nyet.
As an aside, Sanderson will be a big chance to coach the Crows.
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Sanderson doesn't deserve to coach any club, he still can't be trusted. As for Primus vs Scott, keep in mind that Scott would have been equally hamstrung due to finances as Primus has been. Most of our assistants were contracted for 2011 as well so it's not like Scott would've been able to clean out the coaches box. Can't really comment on structure and gameplan being better with Scott but I'm sure Primus would look a million bucks if he was coaching Geelong.
Sanderson doesn't deserve to coach any club, he still can't be trusted. As for Primus vs Scott, keep in mind that Scott would have been equally hamstrung due to finances as Primus has been. Most of our assistants were contracted for 2011 as well so it's not like Scott would've been able to clean out the coaches box. Can't really comment on structure and gameplan being better with Scott but I'm sure Primus would look a million bucks if he was coaching Geelong.
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The test for Scott, as it is with all coaches, will be in a couple of years time when he has to replace aging champions with inexperienced promise.
The test for Scott, as it is with all coaches, will be in a couple of years time when he has to replace aging champions with inexperienced promise.
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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
Chris Scott's career stats are likely to be the first to go downhill as he gets more experienced.
Chris Scott's career stats are likely to be the first to go downhill as he gets more experienced.
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Primus is going to go down in our history as the coach who has to apologise to the supporters the most.
Primus is going to go down in our history as the coach who has to apologise to the supporters the most.
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
I dont think he has a clue this club is a runaway train wreck
I dont think he has a clue this club is a runaway train wreck
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Mind you he only has a herd of useless goats at his disposal
Mind you he only has a herd of useless goats at his disposal
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timely game for us
clearly we can see the senior players like Chaplin, Salopek and my lord how bad is he Westhoff, simply have to go
I think Ebert still has something, and Chad well, how can we actually afford to lose him? we have zero spark.
but then again Primus, well, he's as obviously bad as Oshea. I say we ask him to walk the plank and start again.
primus yet again showed zero. zero
schultz went down, we needed something, salter is exposed as a terrible defender, did he try him up forward? no
Primus was there the last 5 years and it shows
he's effing hopeless and we need to cut our losses ASAP
timely game for us
clearly we can see the senior players like Chaplin, Salopek and my lord how bad is he Westhoff, simply have to go
I think Ebert still has something, and Chad well, how can we actually afford to lose him? we have zero spark.
but then again Primus, well, he's as obviously bad as Oshea. I say we ask him to walk the plank and start again.
primus yet again showed zero. zero
schultz went down, we needed something, salter is exposed as a terrible defender, did he try him up forward? no
Primus was there the last 5 years and it shows
he's effing hopeless and we need to cut our losses ASAP
Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
the board ****ed up again appointing primus, don't say I didn't tell you so.
These players just don't respect him. The players are a ****ing disgrace and Primus is too soft to do shit about it. **** the world
the board ****ed up again appointing primus, don't say I didn't tell you so.
These players just don't respect him. The players are a ****ing disgrace and Primus is too soft to do shit about it. **** the world
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Our board with significant SANFL representation, no less. But of course the SANFL won't admit any fault.
Our board with significant SANFL representation, no less. But of course the SANFL won't admit any fault.
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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
I am not a Primus fan but do believe he deserves another season before we throw around comments like above.
You can have some insightful comments but lately your hate and frustration is the only message you can articulate. take a deep breath, the season will be over soon!
oh, and don't expect any miracles for next year either
I am not a Primus fan but do believe he deserves another season before we throw around comments like above.
You can have some insightful comments but lately your hate and frustration is the only message you can articulate. take a deep breath, the season will be over soon!
oh, and don't expect any miracles for next year either
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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
The game where he lost the #1 KPF to injury, didn't have the #1 KPD available due to injury, with no in-form or suitable depth left to cover them, is not the one where you can draw conclusions about Primus' coaching prowess.
It's the cattle, not the senior coach, at this point in time. In spite of Chad clunking nearly everything he went for and looking like turning back the clock as the marks stuck, we needed to be able to throw Salter or Pettigrew up forward as well once Schulz went off, but who was going to fill in down back ?
The game where he lost the #1 KPF to injury, didn't have the #1 KPD available due to injury, with no in-form or suitable depth left to cover them, is not the one where you can draw conclusions about Primus' coaching prowess.
It's the cattle, not the senior coach, at this point in time. In spite of Chad clunking nearly everything he went for and looking like turning back the clock as the marks stuck, we needed to be able to throw Salter or Pettigrew up forward as well once Schulz went off, but who was going to fill in down back ?
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I disagree with every single point you've made here. Although I do agree wholeheartedly that Primus is shit.
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I disagree with every single point you've made here. Although I do agree wholeheartedly that Primus is shit.
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Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already
Good bloke and favorite son aside, there's no way a 2-win wooden spooning tribute to incompetence was part of Primus' interview/spiel. It's only 50 times' worse than Matthew Knights' reported promise to send Essendon straight back to September without a rebuild.
Good bloke and favorite son aside, there's no way a 2-win wooden spooning tribute to incompetence was part of Primus' interview/spiel. It's only 50 times' worse than Matthew Knights' reported promise to send Essendon straight back to September without a rebuild.
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