Primus - how is the gloss looking

[Spadge]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

at the after match, Duncanson said that Primus had the players in the room locked away for a long time after the game. Much longer than usual. No one else was in the room.. no one apart from Primus and the players. Family were locked out as were the other coaches

I asked Primus afterwards "did you give them a spray" and he said that he gave them the mother of all sprays after the game and "this is why i have no voice left"

would have been good to be a fly on the wall.

In my chat with him he pretty much all but said that there will be big personnel changes at the end of this season and he laid pretty much all the blame on the senior players. He genuinely looked like he could strangle them.

 

[Premiers04]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

You could blame senior players but it seems a bit of a cop out when you consider how backwards alot of our younger players have gone or how stagnant they are in development with all the game time they're getting

we just have a shit list bar 3 or 4 players that have some kind of football ability

 

[Jonts]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

at the after match, Duncanson said that Primus had the players in the room locked away for a long time after the game. Much longer than usual. No one else was in the room.. no one apart from Primus and the players. Family were locked out as were the other coaches

I asked Primus afterwards "did you give them a spray" and he said that he gave them the mother of all sprays after the game and "this is why i have no voice left"

would have been good to be a fly on the wall.

In my chat with him he pretty much all but said that there will be big personnel changes at the end of this season and he laid pretty much all the blame on the senior players. He genuinely looked like he could strangle them.

I like this... wanna see what "big personnel changes is" though is that 6-7 players or 10+ players

 

[finbarr]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

at the after match, Duncanson said that Primus had the players in the room locked away for a long time after the game. Much longer than usual. No one else was in the room.. no one apart from Primus and the players. Family were locked out as were the other coaches

I asked Primus afterwards "did you give them a spray" and he said that he gave them the mother of all spraytans after the game......

efa..........

 

[b0ydman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

my respect for him has just risen
why he wasted his time tho i don't know
we all knew this a year ago.

 

[edgie]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

at the after match, Duncanson said that Primus had the players in the room locked away for a long time after the game. Much longer than usual. No one else was in the room.. no one apart from Primus and the players. Family were locked out as were the other coaches

I asked Primus afterwards "did you give them a spray" and he said that he gave them the mother of all sprays after the game and "this is why i have no voice left"

would have been good to be a fly on the wall.

In my chat with him he pretty much all but said that there will be big personnel changes at the end of this season and he laid pretty much all the blame on the senior players. He genuinely looked like he could strangle them.

As long as a certain C. Cornes was absent from that senior group...

 

[Schulzenfest]

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And a certain J. Schulz too.

 

[Quadzilla]

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And a certain J. Schulz too.

and Dom!

 

[Black 18]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

I wasn't a fan of the original appoinment of Primus, though once appointed I wanted him to succeed (loved him as a player and really felt for him when he missed the AFL Grand Final win).

From then until now I haven't been overly impressed by a lot that Matty has done, selections, gamestyle & especially his "too calm" ways when being interviewed. But last night I thought there was some real hidden anger & honesty bubbling just below the surface in his post match presser. Gone was the "spin" to make excuses for everything, gone was the "nice" Matty.

Just maybe he might have come to the conclusion that enough is enough.

FWIW, I would love to see nothing more than for the remaining 5 games we throw away all the playbooks and just play man on man from start to finish. We are going to get beltings no matter what, so lets just find out what players can actually play and do what is required, and what ones cant.

 

[PortBrillance]

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I agree with giving him another year, but seriously, if we finish bottom next year and "win" back 2 back spoons, he and half that list should be sacked immediately and shipped to Iraq

 

[Cyrus the Virus]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Never been more impressed with Matty then after hearing his press conference:


http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/119830/default.aspx


I have no doubts he is the man to lead us out of this diabolical situation that Choco has left us in.

 

[oporto]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Once again Primus deflects the attention from his poor preparation, poor coaching and generally poor team selection offering a few clichés telling the masses what they want to hear

This year has been worse than anyone could have imagined. The gloss has well and truly worn off in 2011. It's time to put the club in some good administrator's hands, put a broom through the entire football department, make shrewd list management decisions, stockpile as many draft picks as possible, look for quality ex-pat South Aussie players throwing the cheque book at them and put a broom through the administration and see out the next two seasons

We're now in a bidding war with Adelaide, Melbourne and whoever else wants to affect massive change. FFS get on the front foot Port. Don't wait until the end of the season when the bidding war begins in earnest

 

[Powerade 08]

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^^

Yeah agree m8, if we drop Kane again I'll spew. Get rid of Primus before he can do any more damage.

 

[bomberclifford]

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^^

Yeah agree m8, if we drop Kane again I'll spew. Get rid of Primus before he can do any more damage.

Kane is exactly the senior player that needs to be dropped. He may as well not have been out there.

 

[PortBrillance]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Never been more impressed with Matty then after hearing his press conference:


http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/119830/default.aspx


I have no doubts he is the man to lead us out of this diabolical situation that Choco has left us in.

Talk is so cheap, this applies to Primus. Heard all the shit from his mouth over the last 12 months and yet we still show NOTHING on the field.

 

[Powerade 08]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Kane is exactly the senior player that needs to be dropped. He may as well not have been out there.

Not dropped, delisted. 3+ years ago.

Talk is so cheap, this applies to Primus. Heard all the shit from his mouth over the last 12 months and yet we still show NOTHING on the field.

He can't draft/trade in players halfway through the year. The players we have are broken and can't be fixed. They don't listen.

The test for Primus the whole way through has been what he will do with the list at the end of the year.

 

[malph]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

The test for Primus the whole way through has been what he will do with the list at the end of the year.

This is pretty much all I've been waiting for all year. I get the feeling that there will be a pretty significant senior-list cull - well, as significant as it can be in the circumstances.

Take Surjan and Motlop, what if these guys are in fact two of the most divisive players within the club? They've hardly played this year, regardless of fitness, so much so that most people don't expect them to be at the club next year. If Primus has identified these guys as a big part of the problem, would their conscious non-selections this year actually be considered a very good sign?

 

[PhoenixPower]

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Can someone explain to me the strucure that time after time after time leaves our midfielders looking up with noone to kick to because the forward line is either empty or we have a 1 on 3 with one of our small forwards?

what sort of game plan results in that, and why hasnt it been fixed? what are the benefits of this structure that outweigh this negative that seems so glaring?

please let me know, I watch and study the game intensely every week, but I just cant find any reason that justifies this setup, and therefore I have no choice but to blame primus as a coach for letting this continue

 

[Natman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Can someone explain to me the strucure that time after time after time leaves our midfielders looking up with noone to kick to because the forward line is either empty or we have a 1 on 3 with one of our small forwards?

what sort of game plan results in that, and why hasnt it been fixed? what are the benefits of this structure that outweigh this negative that seems so glaring?

please let me know, I watch and study the game intensely every week, but I just cant find any reason that justifies this setup, and therefore I have no choice but to blame primus as a coach for letting this continue

It's called not having the will, guts or courage to run to space to create options - if Primus is not telling them that, then he should be sacked. If the players are not doing what they are told, they should be sacked. I suspect the latter.

 

[b0ydman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Can someone explain to me the strucure that time after time after time leaves our midfielders looking up with noone to kick to because the forward line is either empty or we have a 1 on 3 with one of our small forwards?

what sort of game plan results in that, and why hasnt it been fixed? what are the benefits of this structure that outweigh this negative that seems so glaring?

please let me know, I watch and study the game intensely every week, but I just cant find any reason that justifies this setup, and therefore I have no choice but to blame primus as a coach for letting this continue

you are over-thinking it

Primus is a nice guy by all reports, but a dud coach

Choco on the other hand was a real pr1c, but 50 times the coach primus was.

one had to go, the other needs to go

Primus has no option but to go man on man vs Collingwood the whole game this weekend. we can't afford a 40 goal slaughter while he hopes his "structures" magically come good

 

[*PAF]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

It's called not having the will, guts or courage to run to space to create options - if Primus is not telling them that, then he should be sacked. If the players are not doing what they are told, they should be sacked. I suspect the latter.

Until that gets fixed up nothing else will make any difference at all.

 

[b0ydman]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

It's called not having the will, guts or courage to run to space to create options - if Primus is not telling them that, then he should be sacked. If the players are not doing what they are told, they should be sacked. I suspect the latter.

same old same old

primus came in making all this noise

and keeps picking them

truly, there is not a person here who can tell any of us with a degree of legitimacy one player we will cut this year who we didn't know last year needed to go- same with the other way around- only Schultz has "saved" himself this year from a potential delist

Also the tanking excuse has gone out the window

we're going to get the spoon- surely he can at least try to win a quarter never mind a game

what good habits are we setting ourselves up for next year? sorry, he's not taking, he's just a sh*t coach

everyone giving me the 2000 similarities and how we did well in 2001 and then minor premier in 2-4 is also dreaming if they still cling to that. in 2000 our back half wasn't this bad.

did i mention I think Primus is a pathetic coach and has shown 3 tactical moments for an entire season. for the ENTIRE season.

His 3/4 time address vs Crows Rd 4
2nd half vs WCE
1st half vs Carlton

Every player bar none, every single player on our list has gone backwards, what does that tell you?

under Choco we lost and he was tired and recruited the wrong players and all that, but no one can tell me the players didn't at leat improve under him.

We used to joke Choco's plan B was Chad goes up forward

Har. LMAO. At least Choco had a plan A never mind the plan B

Primus just empties out the forward line. My nana could do that

Can anyone truly tell me they believe we will improve with Primus at the helm (regardless of what assistants he ends up with)

 

[PAFCsince1870]

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To be honest I'm not sure what Primus could have done with regards to the list last year by the time he was appointed. Besides some Voss-style list raping in trade week from my understanding most of the contracts were already in place before he had any say whatsoever.

As Tredders pointed out in the pre-match yesterday had Primus been in charge earlier it's unlikely Kane would have been given a 3 year extension, Chad preferably wouldn't have been on the list this year etc.

Until Primus is given another two pre-seasons to cull the list any opinions on his list management are moot at best.

 

[tealpower]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

This is pretty much all I've been waiting for all year. I get the feeling that there will be a pretty significant senior-list cull - well, as significant as it can be in the circumstances.

Take Surjan and Motlop, what if these guys are in fact two of the most divisive players within the club? They've hardly played this year, regardless of fitness, so much so that most people don't expect them to be at the club next year. If Primus has identified these guys as a big part of the problem, would their conscious non-selections this year actually be considered a very good sign?

Why would a player who was identified by psychological testing in 2010 and awarded the Vice Captaincy and who was voted back into the 2011 leadership group by the players and rubber stamped by the coaches be considered a divisional force at Port Adelaide? That doesn't make sense.

Even Daniel Motlop appears to have pulled his head in with regards to his personal conduct in 2011. Every year it's the same thing, the Burgoynes, the Cornes', Mark Williams. Maybe it's just the club at this present point in time?

There's one of two possibilities that I see. Primus is tanking or he's not a good coach and doesn't have the respect of the player group.

There's too many mixed messages coming out of Port Adelaide. Not everyone is on the same ship it seems.

 

[malph]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

Why would a player who was identified by psychological testing in 2010 and awarded the Vice Captaincy and who was voted back into the 2011 leadership group by the players and rubber stamped by the coaches be considered a divisional force at Port Adelaide? That doesn't make sense.

Even Daniel Motlop appears to have pulled his head in with regards to his personal conduct in 2011. Every year it's the same thing, the Burgoynes, the Cornes', Mark Williams. Maybe it's just the club at this present point in time?

There's one of two possibilities that I see. Primus is tanking or he's not a good coach and doesn't have the respect of the player group.

There's too many mixed messages coming out of Port Adelaide. Not everyone is on the same ship it seems.

If you firmly believe Primus can't do it, then yes, that's the conclusion you will come to. I only asked "what if," though it was admittedly a leading question. Surjan was dropped from the leadership group of three, missed the new cut of seven, and then was a late addition along with Salopek in an even further expanded group. Of nine.

The psychological profiling led to a group of three. Throwing it open to the squad leaves him on the outskirts of nine. I can't claim to be right considering we only have a few morsels of circumstantial evidence available to us, but I don't think my hypothesis is that far out there, either.