Primus - how is the gloss looking

[Peck]

Re: Primus - is the gloss wearing off already

I hate Primus more than Choco, and I know what damage Choco did to our club from 2008-onwards.

Primus is a woeful coach, never rated him before and never will

Except if we win games. Then you will be all "I LOVE PRIMUS" no doubt.

So sick of Port Adelaide this year TBH. I'm very hopeful that we will be a lot better next season, but that is still 8 months away... sigh.

 

[PortBrillance]

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I have not/nor will I EVER be a fan of Primus in the coaches box.

If he wins the GF for PAFC, I will pay him credit and eat humble pie, but I will never be a fan of his "coaching" as you call it

 

[silverfingers]

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The thrill is gone now.
He's not up to it - never will be.

Last nights' presser was the end of it for me..
**** him off at end of the season and start again.

And how good is Choco looking right now?

 

[Jonts]

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So Choco hands over one of the worsts lists in the AFL to Matt, the list has no confidence and play poorly and its Matt's fault?

There is a certain degree to that yes but lets wait until he has some actuall assistaints around him and what he does of the off season

 

[silverfingers]

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So Choco hands over one of the worsts lists in the AFL to Matt, the list has no confidence and play poorly and its Matt's fault?

There is a certain degree to that yes but lets wait until he has some actuall assistaints around him and what he does of the off season

I'm okay with him having next season to test his metal, with his own list management, own assistants (with the promise of more money) and be judged on that. But he gets one full season with those things - if things continue on next year as this one, and he must go.

Having said that, I believe he isn't up to it now - his lack of insight is proving a deathknell for the team, and his inability to get the players to do what he wants is a bad, bad sign, especially being only his first full season. That aspect will only get worse.

 

[PortBrillance]

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I said it in another thread, but if we are spooners or finish 2nd to bottom next season, Primus must be sacked. No ifs or buts

 

[Andre]

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Except if we win games. Then you will be all "I LOVE PRIMUS" no doubt.

Mate, most of us would love to be eating humble pie about Matty's coaching skill. Although not exactly the same, the precedence was there with Josh Mahoney. I wasn't alone after his first couple of games with us thinking the club had made one major ****-up there and posted here accordingly. I was overjoyed later in the year to state how wrong I was. If I can state at the end of 2013 how wrong my opinion of Primus was this year I'll be stoked. I don't expect I'll have to though.

 

[Jonts]

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I'm okay with him having next season to test his metal, with his own list management, own assistants (with the promise of more money) and be judged on that. But he gets one full season with those things - if things continue on next year as this one, and he must go.

Having said that, I believe he isn't up to it now - his lack of insight is proving a deathknell for the team, and his inability to get the players to do what he wants is a bad, bad sign, especially being only his first full season. That aspect will only get worse.

Agree with you at every corner

I said it in another thread, but if we are spooners or finish 2nd to bottom next season, Primus must be sacked. No ifs or buts

and if that we'll have 4 first round picks (if they dont get rid of the PP rule) with 3 of them being top 5 and have juniors like oshea Pittard Hitchcock ect with 35+ games

Give him up to end of 2013 we should be a side around the 10th mark

then if we still think he is the man for the job, give him a one yr contract and if he doesn't make finals he goes

 

[CrimsonRaven]

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If a priority pick is on the table dont expect us to win more than 5-6 games next year.

Happy to wait till 2013 before looking at Primus to harshly.

If we just sort of muddle around next year and neither qualify for a priority pick or make a big improvement then I'll be annoyed.

 

[b0ydman]

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thank you

 

[Schulzenfest]

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And how good is Choco looking right now?

He's still looking shit. This is a guy who left us with guys like Michael Pettigrew, Jason Davenport, Danny Meyer, Wade Thompson, Matt Westhoff, Scott Harding, Cameron Cloke and Jay Nash on the list. And with guys like Broadbent, Banner, Pittard, Moore, Lobbe and Salter (if he'd been given more opportunities as a forward in '08-'09 to show what he can do, maybe we would've been smart enough not to listen to Laidley?) with next to no games at AFL level to their name.

You know why Primus is forced into this youth policy? Because guys like this were never given a chance, or not given enough of a chance, under Choco. If they had been, and if we come into this season with those guys having played 15-30 games instead of 0-10 games, then they'd be playing better than they are now and we wouldn't be going through so much pain. And surely we could've picked one or two talented kids out of the list spots we gifted to the spuds I've listed above, none of whom should ever have been on our list by 2010, and the only one Primus is to blame for keeping on the list is Danny Meyer, as the rest were all contracted or delisted.

I'm not saying Primus is blameless at all, because he hasn't done the best with the cattle that he does have, but I doubt that the love child of Fos Williams and Jack Cahill could get this pathetic list any higher than about 10th while still trying to build for the future.

 

[Portmanteau]

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Yeah, nah, Choco still on the nose. No back-up for Chaplin or Carlile. 6-10 other guys who have no right to be on an AFL list. Cheers

 

[Forzaport]

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Danny Meyer was looking reasonable at the tail end of last year, he's a mature body and was lucky to be promoted for this year. It's the type of calculated risk I don't mind. Disappointing he's barely fired a shot at any level of footy this year.

 

[Relativity]

Re: Port v Collingwood Gameday Thread

Lurk3r, we can safely assume we've seen the player group respond to Matthew Primus in 2011. There's a big enough sample of games to understand that now. It isn't pretty and as Primus says (the players aren't following instructions) then the message is wrong or the players simply don't respect him as a Head Coach.

..or the players aren't good enough.

 

[Pedro59]

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I don't mind if we wink wink nudge nudge only win 4-5 games next year and get a judd or two..

but we can still be competitive and we must see some progress of players

138 points means I am totally lost at this coaching caper

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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Primus should have offered his resignation on Saturday night - it might not have been accepted - but it should have been offered.

 

[The Hobo]

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Michael Wilson should be our new coach. That kind of performance is unacceptable for the PAFC, and heads need to roll.

 

[b0ydman]

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Primus should have offered his resignation on Saturday night - it might not have been accepted - but it should have been offered.

i would actually say it_should_have been rejected

while i do not rate him in the slightest- for the reasons aforementioned but primarily he has shown that he cannot motivate, instruct, or punish players, that he is not tactically alert enough to coach with any degree of the required skill. he is too easily outcoached and entirely predictable

that said, he's the coach. end of season players have to go. if we can't move players on or delist them due to long signed contracts, then yes, he should walk

yeah, he should have offered it, had it rejected, and then he can get on with it

at the very least it would have said he was prepared to be accountable, and the board still backs him

but thats not the way these AFL clubs roll now is it

 

[kaysee]

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Last year Primus came in and we won 5 of our last 6 games... is that right IIRC? We seemed to play more direct, a few more risks etc etc.

This year things have just gotten worse and worse since giving up a late game 40 point lead to GCS to hand them their 1st ever win.

Primus should have assigned some new assistants last pre-season. He should also be prepared to throw the team around more... especially ever since the season was over with.

What is so wrong with giving Salter half a game at FF when where 70 points down... or trying Pettigrew on a wing... or even throwing Trengove forward??

What is wrong from trying a different gameplan instead of persistently applying an ultra defensive flood... why not try and offensive flood to give us more options going forward?

The only time I as happy in the Collingwood game as in the last 5 minutes a couple of times from kick-ins we launched long kicks into the center square and put immediate pressure (what there was) on Collingwood's zone... it nearly came off a few times. Thing is our players/coaches have to have confidence to do this 5 minutes into a game when we're 12 points down... and not wait until we're 120 points down with 5 minutes left.

Primus is the coach of this team and should enforce control of it's direction... not Laidley, not Cripps, not Rhode or anyone else.

 

[El_Scorcho]

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The whole "wait until we're 7 goals down and then and only then start playing direct footy" has been going on for years.

I can only assume that we are trying to emulate a Hawthorn style skill based chippy around gameplan. It's why we've been moving our best kicks to the backline for 5 years and killing the careers of blue chip midfielders. But we're a long, long way from having the side with the capability to do that.

I guess Primus is just going to persevere with the gameplan until they get it, but it's not like it's a difficult thing to switch to. How about playing direct and attacking footy while you're drafting kids that can kick, then change to that gameplan when they've got some confidence and games under their belt?

It's pretty frustrating.

 

[QPower]

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Some of the negative comments in this thread are really disappointing.

Anyone with the most basic knowledge of AFL footy knows our problems go very deep, have been caused over a long period and are largely due to the petty penny pinching SANFL, a massive lack of investment in the footy department since 2004 and some poor decisions at board level.

For supporters to be taking this out on MP is an absolute disgrace and reflects that Rucci's unflattering characterisation of Port's current supporter base as apathetic and fickle cut very close to the bone.

 

[kaysee]

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Some of the negative comments in this thread are really disappointing.

Anyone with the most basic knowledge of AFL footy knows our problems go very deep, have been caused over a long period and are largely due to the petty penny pinching SANFL, a massive lack of investment in the footy department since 2004 and some poor decisions at board level.

Those areas have been covered in other threads...

For supporters to be taking this out on MP is an absolute disgrace and reflects that Rucci's unflattering characterisation of Port's current supporter base as apathetic and fickle cut very close to the bone.

... we're not laying the entire blame for the state of the club on MP!

- He is responsible though for the on-field performance.
- He, himself, commented that the players were confused against Collingwood... this doesn't rely on SANFL, Board decisions or even extra staff... it means the relationship between coach : players is off. MP is ultimately responsible. If he doesn't have the staff to communicate a complicated message to the players... then simplify the message.

I've been willing to support Primus all year but in that game we looked like amateurs. Flooding and grinding the boundary line from 5 mins into the game. We spent the most time forward during centre bounces after Collingwood goals.

MP controls the gameplan, the coaching lines and messages to the players... if those things are failing or worse if they remain basically the same during a 120 point loss... then that is the responsibility of MP.

Heck at this stage I wouldn't mind MP humilating some players or actions... have them sit down a 3/4 time and do 20 push-ups and 20 sit-ups... or if a player squibs a contest in the game he has to there & then drop and do 10 push-ups... all infront of the crowd and national TV. Sometimes dramatic messages need dramatic examples... and our team is in desperate need of a dramatic message.

 

[Black 18]

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Please do the Club a huge favour and walk away now, please. I have never seen a guy so out of his depth.

Lots of anger & hostility could, and should, be directed at many of the players. Not all of them, but a lot.

But for goodness sake Matty, WTF are you thinking?

The only thing he does is think that game number 60ish magically makes you a great player. All he has done this year is give young guys games. Hell, I could do that if that's all that's required to be coach of the PAFC.

His selections, team placement & match day strategy are just not right, and haven't been all year. Today we saw how close Primus & Choco actually are. MY gameplan today will be to tag everyone. We will start with a centre square of anyone, plus Dom & Kane, and we will make sure nobody gets a stat anywhere, at anytime.

His normal mindset of having everyone follow someone at each stoppage just means we can never win the ball, we are just reactive, continually. And not real good at that anyway. His need to persist with zoning only allows the oppsotion teams that have decent skills to hit up whomever they choose and bring all of them inot the game. His defensive match-up's just defy logic, his "punishment" of juniors to "learn" the craft is wrong. Totally wrong.

He's allowing a mindset of negativity and massive loss' to become part of all our juniors, not to mention the taint on the PAFC. Without drastic & urgent change any junior worth his wait will be lining up to move on within a short space of time.

Matty, please, walk away. You are wrong.

 

[PJ Power]

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Agree Black18.

Time for Matty to do a Tim Watson and accept that he's not up to it. For the players to be this terrible, he clearly has lost them and lost it.

I don't know how he could come back from this, short of moving on half the list and emptying out his entire coaching box and off-field managerial staff.

He's been a stubborn mule this year. There is not making the finals, there is finishing in the bottom 4, there is finishing bottom............but losing in the manner we are now losing by is completely unacceptable irrespective of the remaining length of his contract.

 

[Waspy79]

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For all those wanting to get rid of Primus - who do we get as his replacement?

No one of note will want the job.