Primus - how is the gloss looking

[FishingRick04]

I have I still think it's what the old faithful need for reassurance, pitched correctly I think a Roos or Malthouse would come here

 

[Jonts]

Get Mick in.

 

[CrimsonRaven]

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[Steve Dore]

Should PAFC pushing with all their might to get Mick Malthouse or P Roos if at all possible for 2012?

Primus is not only under contract for 2012 but for 2013 as well. It would be an extremely brave, or reckless, board to sack a coach mid season, let alone mid contract, and face another massive contract payout as with Choco.

Primus has been given three seasons (2011 - 2013) to prove his worth. Despite the two losses so far this season you'd have to say we have improved from the pathetic performances of last season. There is no genuine justification to sack Primus at this stage.

 

[Forzaport]

I think the 3rd year of Primus' contract is optional although KT said it was unlikely the club would change senior coach in 2013

 

[FishingRick04]

Going by the Advertiser article on Monday there is an early release option.

I guess the question is will Primus be as good as Malthouse or Roos? We have improved but they are great coaches and IMO if Malthouse said yeah I'd coach your club I would take it!

We did it nearly 20 years ago to another loved Port player and it worked out ok, I think our players need someone of Micks skill and ability, in relation to tactics, structures and motivation. If we can't get that type of coach I'm happy to stay with Matty P

 

[Malibu#27]

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Interesting that what we are trying to do in both these cases is pretty much a mirror of what Mick used as a gameplan at Collingwood - with better execution.

 

[PhoenixPower]

yep the club has an early termination option at the end of this year which requires a small amount of next years contract to be paid out should we choose to terminate matty

I wasnt a fan of his last year, however after seeing every man and his dog outside the club kick the guy when he was down, and how he held his head high and never threw his players (even the deserving ones) under the bus - he has my full support this year and I hope he proves everyone, including me, wrong

 

[finbarr]

I find myself in agreement with the above sentiments. I'm really hoping Primus can prove the haters wrong. Where his predecessor made a habit of pointing the finger at everyone but himself for the teams onfield failings Matty has copped everything thrown at him on the chin. You have to admire the man for that.

 

[FishingRick04]

It seems apparent that head coaches are being selected that were great on field leaders (Majority), nearly all his former players said he was a great leader, so it make sense. But tactically has he got the talent?

I'm not saying he won't make but where I was sitting structurally we weren't good enough IMO.

His coaches corner is a prime example. He illustrates how the Sydney boys set up perfectly for the quick switch of play. I noticed a few times out places weren't in the same structure and we had 3 clustered together 80 metres away with no middle link man, crying for the ball.

Our set up at the moment is definitely assisting us keeping scores from being a blow out and keeping us in the game.

 

[PatientMental]

It seems apparent that head coaches are being selected that were great on field leaders (Majority), nearly all his former players said he was a great leader, so it make sense. But tactically has he got the talent?

I'm not saying he won't make but where I was sitting structurally we weren't good enough IMO.

His coaches corner is a prime example. He illustrates how the Sydney boys set up perfectly for the quick switch of play. I noticed a few times out pla[yers] weren't in the same structure and we had 3 clustered together 80 metres away with no middle link man, crying for the ball.

Our set up at the moment is definitely assisting us keeping scores from being a blow out and keeping us in the game.

Either a lack of awareness or overall fitness and mental drive to push into space and lead. Isn't usually caused by structure but sheer laziness of players.

 

[DonDraper]

Would love nothing more then for him to succeed. The improvement needs to come, tactically anyway, from the people around him as much as himself.

Big team selection today (feels like i've been saying that every week this season)

 

[FishingRick04]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not on a Primus witch hunt. But these signs have been around for awhile now. I'll be watching closely if it's the same guys or a structural thing but surely they should be dropped if they aren't willing to work or Falloon should be made accountable if they aren't fit enough.

 

[Forzaport]

Interesting that what we are trying to do in both these cases is pretty much a mirror of what Mick used as a gameplan at Collingwood - with better execution.

I'm not sure we're looking to mimic Mick's gameplan.

I think the circumstance of those two peices of play had us working the boundary. Sydney were able to get their zone up in both examples as well. It's common sense. If you're near the boundary and the switch isn't on and the corridor is blocked you kick it long down the boundary. If a forward is leading, you kick it to their advantage - if the kick is poor, the forward will be horribly out of position, often won't be able to compete and the rebound will probably punish us (as we saw in both those examples). If the ball goes out of bounds near our attacking 50m arc, we have a far better chance of winning the contest and scoring.

 

[PhoenixPower]

I think primus is just ultra defensive, at least outwardly, of the players and their confidence

when players were being cancerous behind the scenes last year, primus not once criticised them publicly. I think the same goes for on field performance. I am 100% positive that the players hear about it face to face about what is and isnt acceptable, but in the media, matty just seems to be willing to unselfishly look the fool, and not give the media any "pathetic pittman" type quotes to run with or outwardly slam his group or individuals

Any time Ive heard a statement like "the boys tried hard" when clearly they didnt, I just feel that matty knows full well they didnt, but doesnt want to portray that to the media, but I rest assured he knows 100% that they were rubbish and will tell them in no uncertain terms when the doors are closed.

Am I naive for thinking this? Or do you guys REALLY think matty saw nothing wrong with those performances and REALLY was happy with the effort etc?

 

[Portmanteau]

Spot on.

 

[FishingRick04]

I'm not sure we're looking to mimic Mick's gameplan.

I think the circumstance of those two peices of play had us working the boundary. Sydney were able to get their zone up in both examples as well. It's common sense. If you're near the boundary and the switch isn't on and the corridor is blocked you kick it long down the boundary. If a forward is leading, you kick it to their advantage - if the kick is poor, the forward will be horribly out of position, often won't be able to compete and the rebound will probably punish us (as we saw in both those examples). If the ball goes out of bounds near our attacking 50m arc, we have a far better chance of winning the contest and scoring.

Correct and I mentioned in the review thread all our players aren't kicking it often enough to our target players advantage. So our skills and thought processes need to improve there.

 

[Natman]

Correct and I mentioned in the review thread all our players aren't kicking it often enough to our target players advantage. So our skills and thought processes need to improve there.

Agreed, so it's not necessarily a coaching issue because the tactics are basically the same as every other team - it's all execution and mental decision making. The coach is relying on the playing doing the right thing on the field - he can't control that on a kick-by-kick basis.

I wonder whether Mick or Roos would be interested in doing a half-yearly review of the overall coaching and game plan aspect of the club?

 

[FishingRick04]

I wonder whether Mick or Roos would be interested in doing a half-yearly review of the overall coaching and game plan aspect of the club?

It would be a good move as a consultant as they are tactically very astute.
The Essendon game Malthouse made some good observations which could only help, I'm sure our coaches would have heard them with the review anyway

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It's been interesting listening to Malthouse this week when he has been questioned about his commetary, because of the fall out with Eddie.

He has said that he uses his binonculars just like he did in the coaches box and doesn't always follow the ball, ie he wouldn't know who kicked the goal because he was looking at how players reacted to then moved in the play, that set up the goal. He also is watching the zone set up and off ball positioning. I think that's why his commentary has been very good this year, he gives you a different persepective.

Sounds like the sort of guy you want in your box whether he is the head coach or an assistant coach.

 

[FishingRick04]

Somehow I couldn't see him as an assistant

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Somehow I couldn't see him as an assistant

Yeah I can't either, was really think the role Eade has, which was supposed to be his, but if you are going to get him to do a review, you'd get him in the box for a couple of games to assess the game plan, wouldn't you??

But I hope we have someone with his nous looking at the sets up and players off the ball and reporting to Primus and the other coaches.

 

[TheFVK]

Not sure where to put this but I thought it worth mentioning.

MrTripleC puts together a very thorough thread on the Main Board titled "The 225 Days of Season 2012", and in which every game of the year is ranked against each other to rate their relative quality and spectacle. Port's 3 games so far feature in the top 7 best games for 2012; amazing considering we would have owned the bottom last year.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23889001&postcount=237

Say what you like about what Primus is doing but there's no denying we're a hell of a lot easier to watch than last year..

 

[*PAF]

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Say what you like about what Primus is doing but there's no denying we're a hell of a lot easier to watch than last year..

And the year before, and the one before that.

 

[PowerKat]

some excellent recent posts here and I can't quote them all, but in general agree that I'd like to see Primus prove the doubters wrong; that we've seen some improvement and that there's still a way to go.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not on a Primus witch hunt. But these signs have been around for awhile now. I'll be watching closely if it's the same guys or a structural thing but surely they should be dropped if they aren't willing to work or Falloon should be made accountable if they aren't fit enough.

The 'signs' have been around for years and will take a fair while to adjust. Longer than any of us would like considering last year's debacle. Expecting our list to adjust in one season from being an individualistic rabble with poor attitudes; poor fitness; poor discipline; poor skills; etc etc is unrealistic.

We still have gaps in our list (eg. older players are underdeveloped or incapable of reaching standard required, and no 'elites'), and a lot of young players learning the game. We have a whole squad learning the very basics of what's required (a ridiculous position to be in, but here we are) - from a 'four quarter effort', to 'teamwork', and 'kick to advantage', and so Primus is starting from a very low base. One pre-season won't solve all of our fitness issues overnight either, particularly with younger players who need 2-3 years under their belt minimum to reach optimum fitness levels.

btw, how many years did it take Malthouse to win a flag at Collingwood