Primus - how is the gloss looking

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Re: Matt Primus

He just isn't a good coach. The jubilation surrounding last week's win blinded people to the fact our skills were atrocious. We kicked at something like 65% DE for the game? This week when up against a side who were much better than us, our skills suddenly looked like they were hurting us. The only reason we were in that game is because of Essendon's poor kicking for goal.

It seems all Primus has done since here is piss off senior players, have our senior midfielders take gigantic step backwards, but our contested ball is a heap better. Which doesn't mean shit when we don't know what to do with the ball when we win it. We are exactly the same as last year when we get the ball on our HBF. We look up and go "now what?" while everyone waits down the line for a long bomb and Kane Cornes is the only one providing an option.

Then everyone on this board accuses Kane of seagulling for cheap touches and chastises Ben Jacobs for at least trying something new (but executing extremely poorly I might add).

Gonna be a looooooooong year. Fingers crossed for Jake Stringer in the draft.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Re: Matt Primus

I think Primus has a pass mark currently.

It's not his fault he inherited players that can't hit a barn door from 5 feet.

It's pretty tough to improve speed, endurance, culture and skills in two years, but I think he's done a fair job so far.

If he can teach Ben Jacobs to hit a target then his stock will go up

 

[*PAF]

Re: Matt Primus

...

It seems all Primus has done since here is piss off senior players, have our senior midfielders take gigantic step backwards, ...

What? You are kidding but forgot to put a smilie in?
Where were our senior players before Primus got the gig? What were they doing? How many games did we lose with all of our "senior players" playing after leading by 600,000 points at 3/4 time?
Our midfield has been shit for years. Remove Lade and Brogan and our current midfield shits all over the midfield we have had since 2005-06 wrt consistency and almost everything else. The best part about the current midfield is that it is doing the opposite of the 2005-08 midfield and that is it is improving and not going backwards.

Rome was not built in one day.

 

[Natman]

Re: Matt Primus

He just isn't a good coach. The jubilation surrounding last week's win blinded people to the fact our skills were atrocious. We kicked at something like 65% DE for the game? This week when up against a side who were much better than us, our skills suddenly looked like they were hurting us. The only reason we were in that game is because of Essendon's poor kicking for goal.

It seems all Primus has done since here is piss off senior players, have our senior midfielders take gigantic step backwards, but our contested ball is a heap better. Which doesn't mean shit when we don't know what to do with the ball when we win it. We are exactly the same as last year when we get the ball on our HBF. We look up and go "now what?" while everyone waits down the line for a long bomb and Kane Cornes is the only one providing an option.

Then everyone on this board accuses Kane of seagulling for cheap touches and chastises Ben Jacobs for at least trying something new (but executing extremely poorly I might add).

Gonna be a looooooooong year. Fingers crossed for Jake Stringer in the draft.

Does that make Hird and Thompson shyte coaches?

It's up the players to improve their disposal - if they have the tools - if not, get rid of them.

 

[pstew2dstew]

Primus...

He is leonidous of the movie off 300


THIS IS POWAAAAA

But one thing I noticedyesterdaywas the emotion he showed yesterday he was livid at times screaming and getting angry wheres as last year he was calm

 

[FishingRick04]

I like Matty P but would love Malthouse and P Roos more, it would be wrong if our club didn't try to source them out too!

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Primus obviously pissed off a couple of senior players but on the other hand he's also helped create an environment that the young players are convinced will bear fruit in the future and that they are signing on for.

He has made life tough for Kane but to his credit Kane's adapted his game to what Primus wants, he is value adding to the side and he is getting selected.

Brett Ebert signed on again and injury has curtailed his pre-season but he's running into some form playing as a mid link man/forward at the Magpies.

So a couple of the apparently upset senior players have taken it on the chin, adapted their game and are looking like better players for it.

As for mids taking gigantic steps backward, who? Cassisi is the classic WYSIWYG player, Boak needs to step up another level but may not be fully fit (still hasn't gone backwards), Robbie Gray was very good last year and was looking scintillating pre-season before injury pulled him up, Broadbent looks way better than last year (and better than Choco's outside the top 30 players on the list ranking).

This is Primus's first year with a fully resourced coaches box (and as I pointed out in another thread a couple of those are L-Platers to all intents and purposes) and Port are trying to play a definite AFL standard game plan that will come together as they players continue to work at it as a unit. Our forward efficiency during the game when we were getting clobbered in the possession count suggests the players do have some idea what to do with the ball when they get their hands on it.

His persistence at selection with a couple of players may sting him a bit, but he also now has genuine options for rotating players in and out of the side to get the best balance.

At the end of the day, his contract is up for review at the end of this season and if sufficient progress hasn't been made by whatever KPIs have been set, then it would be remiss of Port not to look around at other options.

 

[finbarr]

Let's be honest, Primus took over a mess. Reports of factions or cliques, a list of largely lazy and unfit players simply turning up for a pay cheque week after week, we were on the road to oblivion.
I look at it this way. Last year was about getting games into some kids, clearing out some of the disruptive influences, getting the spirit and closeness back into the place and basically trying to steady the ship.
This year looks to be about fitness, stronger bodies and competitiveness. A bit more ship steadying if you will.
I would expect next pre-season to be more skills focussed and tinkering with the previously mentioned. We all knew this wasn't going to be a one season fix.
I'll put my hand up and admit I was really disappointed when Primus got the job. But I'm on board now. Yesterday's result not withstanding, I've been so happy with so much that's been happening since the Adelaide Oval game, and it feels good to be a Port supporter again. Now Matty may end up falling short as a coach, but at this point in time he has my support. And I love the way he has the players' support.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I'm glad Primus pissed off some senior players. Chad Cornes and Brogan are no big losses at this stage in our development, Kane struggled initially but is now playing more effective footy than he's played since his A-A year in 2007 (so in other words, pissing him off worked), and if Salopek and Brett Ebert don't start performing much better than they did last year then we're better off without them.

 

[*PAF]

For the first time in many years I feel as if we are going forwards. I don't know if we will but at least the feeling is there.

 

[240volt]

Primus was a cheap and easy option that's why he got the got the job.

 

[PJ Power]

I have liked Primus' shows of emotion in the first two matches of the season. Not sure if he was instructed to lead by example to instill some passion in the players or whether his true persona is coming out, now that he has more support around him.

In terms of his coaching approach, I suspect that much of the weekday instruction and strategy comes from the assistants. Matty is very much there as a manager and to set the tone and levels of expectation for discipline, preparation, training, culture, etc. There's been a definite improvement in all of these areas.

Where our coaches will score points from me this year, is not just in developing our game style and strategic plans, but in taking individual players to the next level. Based on early signs, I've been very impressed by Brad Gotch. He gave a great interview this morning and provided more decisive insights into our deficiencies than previous assistants have. More importantly, he seems to have the defensive group playing very well as individuals and gradually gelling together as a group. If the mid-aged/senior midfielders and small forwards could improve to a similar degree as Chaplin, Surjan and Carlile, we'll get better results throughout the remainder of 2012.

 

[b0ydman]

Anyone want to discuss what he could have/ should have done yesterday?

Also to include when Dom kicked wide in the 4th from the centre

Our F50 set up, Westhoff's half a**ed efforts, and so on.

Ditto exploiting their lack of bench

Maybe thats a better way to discuss his ability.

 

[FishingRick04]

Well he could have stopped us over possessing in the last and told our players to use the first option.

He should have made accountable their free outlet player sitting in the middle waiting for the winning contest.

He should have told players to stop over commiting and to keep their feet.

listen to Malthouses comments, he pointed it all out very well.

 

[Natman]

Well he could have stopped us over possessing in the last and told our players to use the first option.

He should have made accountable their free outlet player sitting in the middle waiting for the winning contest.

He should have told players to stop over commiting and to keep their feet.

listen to Malthouses comments, he pointed it all out very well.

I'm sure the players would have been told 1 and 3. He can't control what the actually do, compared to what they are told.

The only thing that Primus can control is number 2 and only if that fits into the structure and game plan that he is building.

 

[PatientMental]

Primus defends young "guns"

"I thought Ben Jacobs' first quarter wasn't great but that he fought back really well from there," he said.

"Cam O'Shea didn't have a great day. But we need to keep developing our young guys as much as we can and show them what they've got to do in certain situations."

Mr. Primus. Develop our young guys? The only thing these two players are developing, are their neck muscles from watching the ball go over their heads and then dropping them, over and over again.

Did you forget about Moore, Ahchee, Young, Jonas, Blee, Newton*, Banner? Cause I sure as hell haven't.

"We had some senior players who didn't have great days either."

None who played in the defense and caused 5 goals between them. Hamish Hartlett made a mistake around Adam Goodes, still isn't exactly a senior player.

If you say that the senior players didn't have a great day, drop them and bring in the senior players who are in form. Pfeiffer, Salopek, Rodan, Logan*.

If you're sick of getting beaten stop losing our matches on Thursday night.

 

[FishingRick04]

I'm sure the players would have been told 1 and 3. He can't control what the actually do, compared to what they are told.

The only thing that Primus can control is number 2 and only if that fits into the structure and game plan that he is building.

I disagree there, his coaching should control what the players do. If the players aren't following instructions, well then the message isn't getting across correctly.

From high up in the members stand Sydney system was alot more refined that ours. Granted they have a 7 year head start on us.

But I'm not sure what his game plan is for us.

Patient Mental the Jacobs and OShea bashing is getting boring now, everyone understands. If you point is more along the lines of rotating the young players well yes I agree.

 

[PatientMental]

I'm not bashing them per se, I'm more questioning the reasoning of Primus' behind committing to specific players who aren't clearly doing great. Over other, better, and possibly more in form players.

 

[FishingRick04]

If he swaps them for other juniors fine.

If he blocks out all the juniors for the Rodan's, Brett Ebo, Salopek etc we are going no where!

 

[FishingRick04]

I'm not bashing them per se, I'm more questioning the reasoning of Primus' behind committing to specific players who aren't clearly doing great. Over other, better, and possibly more in form players.

Who are these form players? Salopek didn't rack up huge possies this week.

Neither did most of our SANFL players. These established AFL boys should be dominating if they are that good surely.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I would love Primus to explain to me how throwing O'Shea on the ground for one quarter and watching him make 3 mistakes that cost us goals and possibly the match at AFL level, before looking as down on himself after the match as any player I've ever seen, is better for his development than letting O'Shea play a full game in the SANFL to get his confidence back.

 

[Jonts]

What gloss?

I can't see any gloss, in Primus anyway

Assistants yes, Player attitude yes, Primus no.

 

[FishingRick04]

Should PAFC pushing with all their might to get Mick Malthouse or P Roos if at all possible for 2012?

 

[edgie]

Should PAFC pushing with all their might to get Mick Malthouse or P Roos if at all possible for 2012?

As in, the year that has already started?

 

[240volt]

Should PAFC pushing with all their might to get Mick Malthouse or P Roos if at all possible for 2012?

You have been trying for a while Rick for Mr Roos...sadly i just dont think it will happen but your heading in the right direction.
We need someone like that,the question is can we afford someone like that and would they come to Port Adelaide?