Primus - how is the gloss looking

[FishingRick04]

when did he start? 1999 took him awhile.

I understand what you are saying. Like I said happy to keep him unless it's a gem of a coach, I would rate Matthews, Malthouse and Roos not inside the system as worthy to replace him otherwise I would leave it as is.

They would bring many things to our club.

 

[finbarr]

Malthouse or Roos, yes. Matthews, no. Bitter old fool still thinks they'd have won in '04 with an extra days rest and can't let it go. And besides, take away all Brisbane's salary cap concessions of the era and I doubt history would judge him as half the coach it currently does.

 

[PowerKat]

don't know why we even think about who might be the next coach, and hope that we will somehow get a topliner like a Malthouse or Roos type when they're as likely to move to Adel and coach us, as GAblettJr is to come here and captain us

 

[FishingRick04]

don't know why we even think about who might be the next coach, and hope that we will somehow get a topliner like a Malthouse or Roos type when they're as likely to move to Adel and coach us, as GAblettJr is to come here and captain us

You never know, we have to ask.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

don't know why we even think about who might be the next coach, and hope that we will somehow get a topliner like a Malthouse or Roos type when they're as likely to move to Adel and coach us, as GAblettJr is to come here and captain us

Spot on. It's a waste of time entertaining the idea and I've had enough personally. Malthouse wouldn't leave Victoria and if Roos is going to coach anyone it will be the Gold Coast. Lets just forget it and give Primus a bit of a go.

 

[finbarr]

don't know why we even think about who might be the next coach, and hope that we will somehow get a topliner like a Malthouse or Roos type when they're as likely to move to Adel and coach us, as GAblettJr is to come here and captain us

Agree with this. I really just felt like bagging Matthews more than anything else.

 

[PowerKat]

Agree with this. I really just felt like bagging Matthews more than anything else.

 

[FishingRick04]

Reading the game day I assume a few more have jumped on the Malthouse recruitment

 

[b0ydman]

Reading the game day I assume a few more have jumped on the Malthouse recruitment

i dont know about that, i just think its disappointing that it seems everyone can see some really obvious things but primus doesnt do them

and he hasnt yet shown anything that looks like it might be a plan, or a strategy, or some secret weapon he is persisting with

its borderline bad, sad, brilliant, bizarre, mostly just disappointingly sad

 

[tribey]

Was never on board, but was quietly confident he had the support around him to grow in the preseason. St Kilda game was heartening but everything since has been awful.

The use of the Sub alone. I mean, FUUUU-

Going back to the well with O'Shea against Sydney was one thing, the appalling misuse of Wingard today was indefensible.

 

[PJ Power]

C'mon tribey, let's not be "frontrunning squibs". We were never going to win today against C-o-l-l-i-n-g-w-o-o-d. Let's lower the expectations a bit, sport and applaud our players for winning the second and final quarters.

Matty tried his best today. Not his fault, never is.

 

[PJ Power]

And another thing, tribey. Don't bother with the "carpe diem", inspirational threads any more. They get the locals fired up only to forget 1 hour after the match is over, that we actually had everything to play for and let another one slip. Like players, like supporters.

 

[QPower]

I wonder what Keith Thomas has made of the first 4 weeks of the season.

The intent is better, but skills and tactics awful.

I also went to the Freo game Friday night - and while they were error prone as we were, watching a side coached by someone with tactical acumen was a world of difference.

 

[PAFC66]

We need someone who knows what to do when sides get a run on and kick 4 or 5 goals quickly without one change happening. Obrien running free yesterday for the whole game answered the question for me, Primus cannot coach.. and his helpers arn't helping the situation. We need someone who can get the players doing the little things for four quarters, not in patches. Our forward line is also a rabble.. we haven't kicked over 100 points since the Gold Coast game last year.. its bloody worrying.

 

[PhoenixPower]

I will say that I thought Ben Jacobs was great against collingwood. Sure he had his poor spots but overall he was very solid and courageous. 2 efforts going back with the flight, especially with cloke coming at him - were great.

What I'm saying is primus could have bowed to pressure and dropped him, possibly killing his confidence even more - but he showed faith backed him in and jacobs repaid that and took a good step forward in his career

Can't help but think this is what he was trying to do with oshea. You win some you lose some - but I support primus trying to back his players in rather than smashing the young group every time they're down

 

[TheFVK]

I will say that I thought Ben Jacobs was great against collingwood. Sure he had his poor spots but overall he was very solid and courageous. 2 efforts going back with the flight, especially with cloke coming at him - were great.

What I'm saying is primus could have bowed to pressure and dropped him, possibly killing his confidence even more - but he showed faith backed him in and jacobs repaid that and took a good step forward in his career

Can't help but think this is what he was trying to do with oshea. You win some you lose some - but I support primus trying to back his players in rather than smashing the young group every time they're down

Right on. Whether or not he can coach on game day is another matter, although when we had notorious "tactical genius" Dean Laidley in our box you wouldn't have thought it based on our on-field performances.

Either way the man deserves a crack, and I'll back him so long as he's our coach. Saying that you would hope that we wouldn't be afraid to be ruthless, Fremantle-style if the right opportunity came along though.

 

[pstew2dstew]

I support primus...

But the obrian decision cost us the game.....

We were up in the first five mins...then collingwood got up by 40 points....

I am more worried about our players not standing up in opportunities to win the game whether it be a missed goal a missed handball an unforced error.

All 3 of our losses I can think of numerous times players could have stood up and taken the opportunity to put the game in our favor....but it always never comes and ends up I. An opposition deflating team morale goal.


But one thing I don't understand is his use of the sub....his first week using d rod was a masterstroke...but what does he do the next following weeks?..

He has improved the side we can't fault him for that the stats tell us so...his situation is the worst in the afl by a mile...the club is a joke... Our daily off field battle with money are a joke...our playing group is a joke...last year our coaching staff was just a big WTF..I mean sky ping to coach..cmon.

So in weighing up the stuff he has had endure during his time here I do commend him, but I agree I do question his match day nous

 

[Handyandy]

I wonder what Keith Thomas has made of the first 4 weeks of the season.

The intent is better, but skills and tactics awful.
I also went to the Freo game Friday night - and while they were error prone as we were, watching a side coached by someone with tactical acumen was a world of difference.

We have improved and are more competitive/ honest team this season. Primus seems to be heading slowly in the right direction.

But some of the tactics are worrying. Our forward line structure looks wrong, I cant recall a roved goal this season. and the lack of pressure from our predominantly tall forwards means the ball comes out very easily. would have thought wingard would be the perfect pocket with his roving and fast chases/ tackling. pretty obvious choice really.

the delivery to the forwards is pretty meat and potatoes stuff, unless you can win it out of the centre or get it in very fast the 'bomb it long without looking' doesnt really work in modern footy when you have zones and extra players dropping back. you have to be smarter than that.

The kick in set-up and structure looks wrong, in fact absoloutely terrible against collingwood, so many times we bombed it to 3 on 1, collingwood were able to read our kicks better than our players. we really struggled to clear the zone.

and the poor selection and use of the sub are obvious. and leaving obrien free for so long and having kane loose on centre wing was one of the stupidest coaching moves i have ever seen. very worrying. blind freddie could see that was a problem yet primus didnt act until the game was gone. i went to uni with buckley and he is no brain surgeon but he outcoached primus. primus's game day coaching is a huge worry, fix those problems and its 5 goals or more to us and we win the last three games.

very worrying signs, those are things that primus has control over but failed to correct and remedy so the jury is out in my books. his assistants should have acted earlier too but they are unknown quantities. the russel ebert coaching experiment at the magpies showed that a great player doesnt always make a good coach. in fact quite the opposite. a down and dirty player who succeeded despite his average ability is often best. because he has to think more about the game. port seem to be playing like primus played, all heart but little brain. I think of primus as the dumb blonde of the coaching world, good looking and good image to portray to the media, genuinely nice guy and very likeable, but sometimes i have serious doubts about his intelligence.

 

[tribey]

I just want to make a comment about the repeated summation that our intent/application/workrate, whatever you want to call it, has improved.

Compared to 2011 when we looked for the most part like a 5-minute old expansion team, it's absolutely improved. No question. But in terms of the league average or the upper echelon required to challenge for finals and flags we are still lightyears away.

There's still precious little gut-run, key defenders are often isolated and hung out to dry 1-on-1 even after the ball has been brought to ground with little 'third-up' spoiling or midfielders funneling back to clear. Our key forwards rarely run more than one route at a time and ballwatch when leads aren't honored far too often. Our midfield is still very much in 'win clearance/contest or bust' mode, to the point where you're biting your nails waiting for opponents to score with ease if we can't get the takeaway or squeeze the handball out. Our tackling and ability to ****** opponents from getting a hand off is laughable.

These aren't skinny Gold Coasters and GWS'ers we're talking about, but largely 3-4-5-6+ year players who need to work a helluva lot harder than they are now before we can truly say our application/intent has improved.

Right now it's between the basement and ground floor of what's required at AFL level.

 

[Phhht]

I don't know why but I get the distinct impression Primus is coaching by statistics.

 

[Mitch Power]

It's obvious to me that Matty has adopted a very defensive game plan this year which if persisted with will give us few wins and many respectable losses. It would also mean we finish 12th to 15th and that's not acceptable for a club like Port and with the list we have.

Any other Port coach would have been sacked at the end of 2011 season after such a disastrous and "un-Port Adelaide" like display. However because of the lack of assistants or coaching support last year, he was allowed to continue and rightly so and I supported that. He's a good bloke, great Port man and former captain. He desrved another go with appropriate support and he's got it this year.

As much as I like Primus the man, there can be no excuses from Primus the coach if Port does not make the 8 or knock on the door of the 8 this year. We can not take another risk with Primus in 2013 if we finish well out of the race for the top 8 in 2012. It will have a detrimental effect on our already fragile membership base and another poor season in 2013 would make it harder for Port to keep Trengove and Butcher at the end of that year.

I really hope that things turn around from here on and that Matty can have a long and succesful coaching career at Alberton. However, if he does not start getting some wins soon, K.Thomas and co wil need to go out and find a senior coach currently coaching or a high profile and respected assistant coach with communication skills and a positive game plan.

 

[FishingRick04]

K.Thomas and co wil need to go out and find a senior coach currently coaching or a high profile and respected assistant coach with communication skills and a positive game plan.

IMO it has to be a tough disciplinarian type of coach but one that already has some respect.

Primus is Russell Ebert of 1987 I just hope the board has what it takes and the financial opportunity to make the correct decision.

 

[PAUR]

It's obvious to me that Matty has adopted a very defensive game plan this year which if persisted with will give us few wins and many respectable losses. It would also mean we finish 12th to 15th and that's not acceptable for a club like Port and with the list we have.

disagree

I think we are a team trying to play high risk football. Our skills level needs to be far higher to apply it properly and we need to have better endurance. After a contested possession we are trying to get a loose runner from handballs and players are running ahead of anticipated handballs. When this isn't done properly leading to a turnover, the opponent can walk in a goal like Collingwood and the Saints did. Absolutely frustrating but it shows our players are wanting to attack and spread... or they are tired.

 

[FishingRick04]

if we are still lacking endurance don't we need to ask questions of falloon?

 

[Forzaport]

I've given Primus a chance and defended him in the past 18 months. I know he has a very well thought out strategy in place in terms of rebuilding and developing out list, which I agree with. I like the way he presents to the media, I like his rhetoric and the messages he sends out... they're all the right things I want to hear.

What I can't defend, and what I am tiring of, is how he just doesn't seem to be making the grade as a game day coach. No he doesn't remind me of Chocco... he reminds me of Neil Craig. All week-to-week theory and SFA on game-day.

Perhaps my emotions are getting the better of me, but can anyone name a gameday tactic or move that Primus has made which turned the game in our favour?

When we **** up our interchanges for the 2nd game of the season (we were lucky to get away with it v St Kilda) and that costs us goals in the 1st quarter. When we clearly make the wrong player selection for a sub in R2 and then make the precise same wrong selection in R3. When we finally change our sub selection but then fail big time to use them in the game which was winnable... one has to question WTF is going on in our coaching box.

I'm all for the new coaches we've got this year, but if they're feeding ****ed up suggestions to Primus and Primus can't mentally calculate they're the wrong moves/suggestions... he needs to either reconsider who gives him council or GTFO, because it is his head on the block.

I've quoted this post from the Gameday thread - it just rings so true, especially the Neil Craig part.

Primus needs to get his gameday coaching up to spec. He's doing everything else very well, our list and performances are much improved. We just look tactically inept which won't win us many games and certainly won't win us finals.