Pros and Cons of hosting Soccer World Cup

[Puddy]

this is a thread about the pros and cons of hosting the soccer world cup from an unbiased football supporter.

Pros

- international recognition
Australians for some reason crave international recognition.

- A huge boost for soccer
the world cup would ignite alot of interest into the game of soccer

Cons

- Cost
Hosting the world cup will be a huge cost for us taxpayers with very little return

- Crime
Soccer internationally has huge problems with soccer hooligans who go around beating the crap out of random and usually innocent people

- Minority
Most soccer fans will hate to admit this but their sport is a minority sport here in Australia, now before soccer fans get annoyed and throw all sorts of participation stats at me, the national soccer comp averages crowds of about 9,000. Thats a very average number compared to the amount of money that has been pumped into the sport. Alot of people will try to say that its because the skill level is too low compared to the international comps but it is really a indicator of the sports popularity.



I just dont understand why we should sit around and fund a sport that isnt very popular in this country which has the potential to do serious economic harm.

I would like to hear from other people unbiased opinions (BSE and Figjam)

 

[mustapha]

Pro:

It will really annoy the likes of Barkly St End and figjam.

 

[billyboutsis]

Pro:

It will really annoy the likes of Barkly St End and figjam.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Pros:
- Massive investment into Australia's sporting facilities. ALL sports will benefit from this.
- Massive investment into Australia's infrastructure. Public transport, hotels, roads, tourist precincts, etc will have big $$ pumped into them. As a result it will create jobs and potentially increase our standard of living.


Cons:
- Simpletons who believe Australia should be a one-code country (be it AFL or NRL) will have a sook and dwell on perceived (but false) cons associated with soccer.

 

[Stevie80]

Cons

- Cost
Hosting the world cup will be a huge cost for us taxpayers with very little return

- Crime
Soccer internationally has huge problems with soccer hooligans who go around beating the crap out of random and usually innocent people

How did you come up with these 'unbiased' cons? They are both Pros!

- Cost
Read the IBISWorld report, expected return of +35b
http://www.ibisworld.com.au/pressrelease/pressrelease.aspx?prid=233

- Crime
People talked about the high levels of crime in South Africa in general and for the duration of the World Cup, crime was actually down per capita given the increased police force out and about, so hosting the World Cup in Australia would reduce crime!

 

[Oberfuhrer Abetz]

YOU ARE A MORON

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18352896&postcount=32

 

[mojito]

- Crime
Soccer internationally has huge problems with soccer hooligans who go around beating the crap out of random and usually innocent people

Source?

The only two reported thefts during the WC were that group of Aussies (I think it was) and a couple of Spanish players. If a country like SA can do that, then why can't we? Good article here regarding SA

06 was similar in not much violence happening, apart from a few pi$$ed Englishmen being English and committing some vandalism-related charges.

And you call yourself unbiased? hah...right

 

[melbournemartin]

Cons: We lose the home of football for possibly up to 2 months. Terrible news for the Melbourne Football Club and other tenants.

 

[Zidane98]

Cons: We lose the home of football for possibly up to 2 months. Terrible news for the Melbourne Football Club and other tenants.

I am sure they will survive playing at Ethiad and/or Manuka/York park for 3 home games.

 

[melbournemartin]

Our home ground isn't Etihad or Manuka or York park. It's the MCG. It would put us at a large disadvantage.

 

[Zidane98]

Our home ground isn't Etihad or Manuka or York park. It's the MCG. It would put us at a large disadvantage.

Home ground advantage doesn't exist in the AFL between Melbourne-based clubs; some clubs even rely on away fans to boost their home game gates. Playing at Etihad or the MCG won't make any difference to Melbourne whatsover. I think Melbourne will survive without the MCG for 3 home games out of the 150 odd they will play in the next 12 years.

 

[melbournemartin]

Home ground advantage doesn't exist in the AFL between Melbourne-based clubs; some clubs even rely on away fans to boost their home game gates. Playing at Etihad or the MCG won't make any difference to Melbourne whatsover. I think Melbourne will survive without the MCG for 3 home games out of the 150 odd they will play in the next 12 years.

You're clueless. I watch every Melbourne game and can tell you that MCG and Etihad are vastly different grounds. We've not won at Etihad since 2007 and our style of play changes dramatically when we play there.

I never said we wouldn't survive, I said we'd be disadvantaged significantly and I wouldn't want to disadvantage the team that I love for the sake of a minority sport.

 

[Zidane98]

You're clueless. I watch every Melbourne game and can tell you that MCG and Etihad are vastly different grounds. We've not won at Etihad since 2007 and our style of play changes dramatically when we play there.

I never said we wouldn't survive, I said we'd be disadvantaged significantly and I wouldn't want to disadvantage the team that I love for the sake of a minority sport.

Like I said, playing 3 home games at Etihad is hardly a disadvantage, and the only people who suggest that soccer is a minority sport in Australia are generally of the AFL fanboy "soccer is boring/full of cheats/for ****ters etc etc" of which there are very few left.

 

[melbournemartin]

You must be a very insecure child if you come onto an Australian football forum and make all these arguments for soccer. Take it somewhere where people will find you interesting, because trust me, you're just getting baited here and you gobble it up very easily.

 

[Chuq]

You must be a very insecure child if you come onto an Australian football forum and make all these arguments for soccer.

You must be a very insecure child if you come onto an association football sub-forum and make all these arguments against soccer.

Honestly. This is someone taking the piss right? This forum has turned into a parody of itself.

 

[face_palm]

Home ground advantage doesn't exist in the AFL between Melbourne-based clubs; some clubs even rely on away fans to boost their home game gates. Playing at Etihad or the MCG won't make any difference to Melbourne whatsover. I think Melbourne will survive without the MCG for 3 home games out of the 150 odd they will play in the next 12 years.

he's obliviously already forgotten round 9 of this year.

Saturday, 22 May 7:10pm Melbourne 17.9 (111) def. Port Adelaide 16.14 (110) TIO Stadium(Crowd: 8,848)

or

round 17 2009

or

Round 13 2008
infact Melbourne went without a proper home game 6 weeks during this period

could keep going but i feel i proven a point

 

[Barkly St End]

he's obliviously already forgotten round 9 of this year.



or

round 17 2009

or

Round 13 2008
infact Melbourne went without a proper home game 6 weeks during this period

could keep going but i feel i proven a point

These games, spread over three years, prove what exactly?

 

[face_palm]

These games, spread over three years, prove what exactly?

the point is, Melbourne FC have denied their members a home game before.

plus they went 6 weeks without a home game in 2008

 

[face_palm]

Round 18 2007

Round 3 2006

 

[Barkly St End]

the point is, Melbourne FC have denied their members a home game before.

plus they went 6 weeks without a home game in 2008

1. By my reckoning 6 weeks is still a full month shorter than 10 weeks.

2. And then we have Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn (anyone else I've forgotten?).

In short, considering the FFA has put forward nothing in relation to the WC bid, apart from their own hand, I'm amazed that people would still criticise the AFL on its generosity in providing the MCG.

Soccer doesn't really deserve it.

 

[face_palm]

1. By my reckoning 6 weeks is still a full month shorter than 10 weeks.

2. And then we have Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn (anyone else I've forgotten?).

In short, considering the FFA has put forward nothing in relation to the WC bid, apart from their own hand, I'm amazed that people would still criticise the AFL on its generosity in providing the MCG.

Soccer doesn't really deserve it.

6 weeks is a month short of 10 weeks, but its still longer then the 2 weeks that most clubs usually get.

he was concerned about Melbourne and his argument was based around that.

if he had of brought up Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn then maybe things would have being different but he didn't

 

[dymmot]

Like I said, playing 3 home games at Etihad is hardly a disadvantage, and the only people who suggest that soccer is a minority sport in Australia are generally of the AFL fanboy "soccer is boring/full of cheats/for ****ters etc etc" of which there are very few left.

Etihad games are a diosadvantage for some/advantage for others. St Kilda has had a very long dominance there while Melbourne has been Pwned everytime they play there. The ground is a completely different environment to the GH or any other ground in Australia. \

 

[Stevie80]

Our home ground isn't Etihad or Manuka or York park. It's the MCG. It would put us at a large disadvantage.

From memory the Demons have also played home games in Brisbane, Canberra, Sydney and Darwin, so please don't use the argument that Melbourne lose their home ground as a reason not to host the world cup!

 

[TheOz]

You must be a very insecure child if you come onto an association football sub-forum and make all these arguments against soccer.

Honestly. This is someone taking the piss right? This forum has turned into a parody of itself.

Melbourne's home ground is the MCG until they sell their home games to Brisbane or Darwin because of the threat of only 12,000 people showing up in the middle of the ski season when they play Fremantle or Port Adelaide. Melbourne are one of the last teams to be talking about losing their "home ground".

 

[Stevie80]

1. By my reckoning 6 weeks is still a full month shorter than 10 weeks.

2. And then we have Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn (anyone else I've forgotten?).

Is that the same Hawthorn that plays 5 'home' games a year in Tasmania? I've been to the MCG many times, yet i've never been to Tasmania. How does that work?