PSD/Rookie Draft

[Keyza]

Really he felt like he had a bargaining position? Guy has been over paid his entire AFL career, besides who will pay him 6 figures outside of playing in the AFL.

Grimley from Hawthorn worth a look?

Read/heard somewhere that Warnock is going to North as a delisted free agent.

 

[Blue87]

We should take another young player in the PSD for sure. May as well use the pick if we have it. Not sold on Shaw though, his stats in the SANFL weren't great.

 

[Bic]

I think Andrew Moore. Has a bit of experience and a hardened body.

We can't be throwing the kids in and turning into the next Melbourne. We do this properly, protect the kids who aren't ready. This guy will take the hits.

Jed Adcock is another - if he is keen to play a leadership role as well as potential coaching role - why say no?

Other than that, might need a ready made forward - Brown ticks those boxes.

Port Adelaide kept Butcher over Shaw. That should tell you all that needs to be said.

 

[RoyalParade]

That would have been me

The maths is rather easy... we started off with list numbers of 38 senior players, 6 rookie players, 2 Cat B rookies

After our delisting, trades and retirements we end up with 11 players off the list as shown below:

1. Chris Judd (ret)
2. Andrew Carrazzo (ret)
3. David Ellard (ret)
4. Lachlan Henderson (traded)
5. Chris Yarran (traded)
6. Troy Menzel (traded)
7. Tom Bell (traded)
8. Cameron Giles (delisted)
9. Matthew Watson (delisted)
10. Blaine Johnson (delisted rookie)
11. Fraser Russell (delisted rookie)

This leaves us with 29 senior listed players, 5 rookie listed players and 1 cat b rookie.

We picked up 5 kids through trades which gives us 34 slots.

Add in Jack as a FS and 4 first round picks which will give us 39.

We can either delist Warnock (a given I think) and 2 rookies (Gower and Fields). This gives us 2 picks remaining. We can take 1 PSD pick and 1 rookie pick if we want to end up with the list numbers of 40 senior, 4 rookies and 1 Cat B rookie.

We will have to promote Bryne off the cat b list and retain Wood and Sheehan on the rookie list.

This is great mate.

With the irish boys, i think both have been rookies for 2 years, so we must upgrade them?

 

[Azul]

Ok then... it could be that he plays either end of the ground. Which isnt bothering me

I saw the 40 games for 26 goals and thought third tall forward. My bad

Seems to have played forward at times during 2014 but there's a lot of zeroes in amongst bags of 4 and 5!

 

[Amers]

This is great mate.

With the irish boys, i think both have been rookies for 2 years, so we must upgrade them?

Only Gussy Sheehan, Byrne as a cat B rookie was on a 3 year deal.

 

[xtront16]

Only Gussy Sheehan, Byrne as a cat B rookie was on a 3 year deal.

Does Wood need to be promoted?

 

[Dramoth]

Given our trade period, I would be exceptionally surprised if we go to the PSD.

We have traded in 5 players and have 4 top 19 picks to build our list with. There would be a riot if we do
not draft young Jack Silvagni. (surely he cannot bypass ND and only nominate for Rookie draft, what an
option that would be).

Warnock will be gone, Armfield has been hanging on waiting to see if a spot still exists. He is going to be unlucky,
fully deserves a spot, but for him to stay we would need to delist young Holman or Simon White, who will
be essential given our lack of talls (contrary to some offerings, a recent article confirmed he is out of contract).

We absolutely have to elevate at least one rookie. Casey and Gussyman are at least borderline best 22 when fit.
Wood is contracted, with some suggesting locked in to a 2016 upgrade. While Wood may not be required
beyond 2016, depending on development of Phillips and Korcheck (and Kreuzer fitness), the Irish need to be
primary listed this year or next. We will not have as many delistings next year so will not have the luxury of
multiple rookie promotions.

We do have the option of adopting a 40/4 model over the current 38/6, but would still require a minimum of
11 primary delistings to make it work. We need both the Irish and Wood eligible for senior selection.
My two cents would be to actually split the difference and use 39/5 model, allowing for 1 nominated rookie.

As much as we could benefit from a Mitch Brown mature swingman, or a seasoned Adcock, I still think no PSD
and expect Warnock and Armfield gone, probably Fields too. Hoping we can re rookie Army, as he is deserving
of a spot.

Didnt you read my calculations in full?

We might have to promote Wood and Sheehan, but looking at our picks, after the picks we have for Jack, we only have 1 more pick. So its pretty impossible to promote two people with 1 pick.

And if we only get Jack with pick 59, there is 60 and some stupidly late pick.

Wood - recruited by Carlton as a rookie in the 2013 draft. He has been on the list for 2 years and is eligible for another year on the rookie list (still thanks to the compromised drafts).
Sheehan - We had to put him in as a Cat A rookie when we signed him to a 2 year rookie contract in 2013 because of Byrne. He is out of contract this year.
Byrne - A category B rookie (Irish International). After 2 years, he might have to move to the Category A rookie list.

I think that Wood was initially put on a 1 year contract, that got extended by another 2 years, and the two Irish boys were put on 2 year rookie contracts.

We might have to move Byrne to the cat A list but I think that he can stay on the B list for another 12 months, but both Wood and Sheehan can stay on the A rookie list for another 12 months before we have to move them.

Cat B rookies are not considered part of the standard rookie list and don't count towards the 44 players allowed on a list.

Now... to the Armfield issue. That 39 players figure I gave includes both Holman and Armfield in the numbers. If we delist Warnock, that number drops down to 38 players. Once again, we have senior player slots. We could in theory promote both Wood and Sheehan to the senior list after the draft to give us our 40/4 split without having to delist anyone else... but we don't have the picks in the ND to promote both of them.

But the way things stand, we have 2 senior slots available and Armfield and Holman can both retain their slots. If we had gotten Tomlinson, then we would have to either delist one of Armfield or Holman... but we didnt so the point is now moot. However, if we wanted to go 38/6/n and take a PSD player, then one of them will get very nervous.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Pass.

 

[Dramoth]

I'll probably get shot down for this, but I'd like us to pick up Saints cast off Spencer White.

He didn't come on at St Kilda, but with his athletic ability and size - you could see why they all made Buddy comparisons as a KPF.

He did some nice things in his limited time at AFL level (see his highlights vs Richmond).

He lost interest at St Kilda but I'd back Bolton to try and get the best out of him development wise.

He looks quite good. He is quick... I'll give you that. I would be more interested in finding out why he lost interest at the Aint's...

 

[Dramoth]

Read/heard somewhere that Warnock is going to North as a delisted free agent.

Huzzah... I'll help him pack his ****ing bags.

 

[Dramoth]

This is great mate.

With the irish boys, i think both have been rookies for 2 years, so we must upgrade them?

Nope... both of them can stay on their respective lists for another 12 months I think. If anything, I think that we might need to move Byrne off the Cat B list.

 

[Dramoth]

Pass.

pass on the PSD?

I agree, I would prefer to carry a pick or two to the rookie draft and look at getting Marcus Adams and Spencer White to the club as rookies.

Better to pick up speculative talls in the rookie draft than in the ND or through the PSD.

 

[bloodsweatnbeers]

Will spew if we go for an Adcock, Crowley type

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Will spew if we go for an Adcock, Crowley type

Thanks for chucking that thought in.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Port Adelaide kept Butcher over Shaw. That should tell you all that needs to be said.

Port have invested more time and energy in Butcher and but for his kicking should hold down a regular position. They had to make a call after loading up with tall forwards, Shaw has been injured, younger and yet to play AFL. Pretty obvious call, but doesn't mean Shaw won't turn out to be a good player.

 

[FoeverBlues]

White is contracted. Armfield should get a new 1 year contract now. I've heard that Warnock is gone for all money. Was offered a new 1 year contract on a massively reduced amount and knocked it back. Threatened he would retire if we delisted him. Bye bye then Witches hat.

That being said, White and Armfield both have to know that they are just going to be depth over the next year while their replacements get up to speed and get some games behind them.

Armfield is going to be 30 at the end of next year. He will have had 10 years on an AFL list and has played 125 games to date. Not bad for someone who no one has rated.

White will be 28 come the end of 2016. He is a good depth player for a third tall undersized KPD. I would expect him to get picked up if we delisted him. It'll be a massive shame that a good clubman like White can't get to 100 games.

Could White be a player coach (Bullants)?
Still count as 1 spot?

 

[LanceRomance]

what went wrong with Jarrad Grant? he was a pick 5?

 

[Dramoth]

Currently we have on our rookie list...

Brad Walsh - mid
Ciaran Sheehan - halfback flank
Cameron Wood - ruck
Tom Fields - KPD (third tall)
Billy Gowers - mid
Ciaran Byrne - half back flank (B rookie)
Matt Korcheck - ruck (B rookie)

If we dispense with the PSD selection and promote Cam Wood to the senior list, we are left with a 39/5/2 split... although I would think about promoting Walsh to the senior side, leaving Wood and Sheehan on the rookie list for another year and delisting Gowers and Fields. Bit of hard luck for them, but we need to turn over the list a bit... otherwise, we don't offer Sheehan a new contract and let him go back to Ireland and run the risk of alienating Byrne and Touhy.

So, we either promote Wood or Walsh and leave Sheehan on the rookie list for 1 more year with the one we didnt promote. This should leave us with 2-3 rookie spots to fill after delisting Gowers and Fields.

While everyone is saying that we should get a small mid/forward as a rookie this year, I suggest that we get some more established cover for our tall forwards and defenders.

I would love to be able to keep Fields and Gowers, but we need to turn over the rookies unfortunately.

 

[Prem17]

Read/heard somewhere that Warnock is going to North as a delisted free agent.

I will clean his locker out!

 

[Dramoth]

Could White be a player coach (Bullants)?
Still count as 1 spot?

It would still count as a single spot really. But that would be a good option considering that for the next couple of years, both White and Armfield are only going to be retained for depth. And both of them have a lot to offer in terms of mentoring and development coaching.

 

[Prem17]

Didnt you read my calculations in full?

We might have to promote Wood and Sheehan, but looking at our picks, after the picks we have for Jack, we only have 1 more pick. So its pretty impossible to promote two people with 1 pick.

And if we only get Jack with pick 59, there is 60 and some stupidly late pick.

Wood - recruited by Carlton as a rookie in the 2013 draft. He has been on the list for 2 years and is eligible for another year on the rookie list (still thanks to the compromised drafts).
Sheehan - We had to put him in as a Cat A rookie when we signed him to a 2 year rookie contract in 2013 because of Byrne. He is out of contract this year.
Byrne - A category B rookie (Irish International). After 2 years, he might have to move to the Category A rookie list.

I think that Wood was initially put on a 1 year contract, that got extended by another 2 years, and the two Irish boys were put on 2 year rookie contracts.

We might have to move Byrne to the cat A list but I think that he can stay on the B list for another 12 months, but both Wood and Sheehan can stay on the A rookie list for another 12 months before we have to move them.

Cat B rookies are not considered part of the standard rookie list and don't count towards the 44 players allowed on a list.

Now... to the Armfield issue. That 39 players figure I gave includes both Holman and Armfield in the numbers. If we delist Warnock, that number drops down to 38 players. Once again, we have senior player slots. We could in theory promote both Wood and Sheehan to the senior list after the draft to give us our 40/4 split without having to delist anyone else... but we don't have the picks in the ND to promote both of them.

But the way things stand, we have 2 senior slots available and Armfield and Holman can both retain their slots. If we had gotten Tomlinson, then we would have to either delist one of Armfield or Holman... but we didnt so the point is now moot. However, if we wanted to go 38/6/n and take a PSD player, then one of them will get very nervous.

I wouldn't be surprised if we let Wood go.
We have a fit Kruezer (dare I say it), have just recruited Phillips who looks far more talented and Casboult may be used if required but hopefully he will be used as a permanent FF.
Add Korcheck to that as a developing rookie and I think that Wood is in trouble.
At best, 2016 is his last year at Carlton.

 

[Dramoth]

I wouldn't be surprised if we let Wood go.
We have a fit Kruezer (dare I say it), have just recruited Phillips who looks far more talented and Casboult may be used if required but hopefully he will be used as a permanent FF.
Add Korcheck to that as a developing rookie and I think that Wood is in trouble.
At best, 2016 is his last year at Carlton.

Wood is contracted for another year. Leave him on the rookie list as LTI cover if we need him, use Kreuzer as the #1 ruck and Phillips out of the pocket beside Casboult.

 

[Prem17]

I'll probably get shot down for this, but I'd like us to pick up Saints cast off Spencer White.

He didn't come on at St Kilda, but with his athletic ability and size - you could see why they all made Buddy comparisons as a KPF.

He did some nice things in his limited time at AFL level (see his highlights vs Richmond).

He lost interest at St Kilda but I'd back Bolton to try and get the best out of him development wise.

He's bloody quick!
He would be handy at CHF with his marking ability and that speed!!!!!!!!!

 

[Prem17]

Wood is contracted for another year. Leave him on the rookie list as LTI cover if we need him, use Kreuzer as the #1 ruck and Phillips out of the pocket beside Casboult.

Bugger! Nothing against him but I would love to see some more younger guys added to the list.
I doubt that we will have much to offer next year when it comes to offering players for early picks, so this year is make or break at the draft and time to find a smokey or two in the PSD/rookie drafts.