R1: Carlton vs Richmond

[Sin City]

His kicking, when in space is sublime off BOTH feet. Jack in an interview was asked if he could have anyone deliver to ball to him it would be Cotch.

So you hope he might reach Houlihan level one day

 

[The Exorcist]

But Murph doesn't have his own website, like the Cotch has right here

ps - at age 20 and with a history of injuries, far too early to close the door as to how Cotchin might develop as a footballer.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Way to early make a call on either Murphy or Cotchin I'd suggest , let's wait and see how Murphy goes when and if he becomes his side number 1 midfielder and becomes the first player tagged , or if Cotchin can consistently play at the level he has shown glimpses of . A lot of water to go under the bridge before either of these blokes can be judged in my opinion !

 

[Sin City]

let's wait and see how Murphy goes when and if he becomes his side number 1 midfielder and becomes the first player tagged

Don't card me for this PTF but Murphy generally gets the number one tag while a more attacking player goes on Judd. He's done quite well while getting tagged including probably the best game I've seen him play against the Bulldogs in 2009 when he was clearly BOG and the player Rodney Eade identified before the game as most important to tag.

 

[Golden Tonsils]

Yer I know that i am basing it on potential.

That is why I said, if he can get his body right and get quicker I think he will be an a absolute superstar.

Got to watch a few games when he played for the Knights alongside Kruezer and he was just unbelievable. I just really rate the kid, thats all.

Your right Bluepride Cotchin will be a superstar, if he reaches his potential am also a big fan of the kid. And he could be as good as Murf...........maybe one day

Problem is. he plays for Richmond.

 

[parrot]

Way to early make a call on either Murphy or Cotchin I'd suggest , let's wait and see how Murphy goes when and if he becomes his side number 1 midfielder and becomes the first player tagged , or if Cotchin can consistently play at the level he has shown glimpses of . A lot of water to go under the bridge before either of these blokes can be judged in my opinion !

The issue is Cotchin has already been proclaimed a "superstar" by most Richmond supporters and the KB-led media fan club. I'm just pointing out his onfield performances have been quite average. I've seen way too many of them, and have been amazed at how his deficiencies seem to get ignored by his adoring media. Martin is actually a much better performing footballer. So at this stage all hype and no result. Murph actually performs in big games and has been doing it consistently for a while now. Many teams (e.g. Floodingwood), assign their #1 tag to Murph instead of Judd. So there's a big difference. Massive actually. Fact is Cotchin is a vanilla mid at this stage wise. Will he improve? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[mediumsizered]

ps - at age 20 and with a history of injuries, far too early to close the door as to how Cotchin might develop as a footballer.

The thing is, no-one is closing the door where Cotchin is concerned, but at this stage of his career the hype far outweighs his performance. He does not deserve the recognition he gets from the media, or on BF, given what he has produced so far. At this stage he is a 20 year old who showed great promise as a junior, but is yet to do this consistently at AFL level (fair enough for a 20 year old, but the way he gets talked about you would think he has already dominated the competition). There are a number of players from the '07 draft who have already delivered much more than Cotchin, including our own Matty Kreuzer, Dangerfield, Rioli, Grimes, Otten, Mayne.

 

[Chism]

let's wait and see how Murphy goes when and if he becomes his side number 1 midfielder and becomes the first player tagged

I gather you dont see many Carlton games??

Murph copped the No1 tag a lot this season with teams willing to play Juddy with a player who can hurt you in the other direction trying to make Juddy accountable. Taggers dont hurt you in the other direction.

When we played Geelong this year Ling went straight to Murph and Collingwood also tagged Murphy along with a lot of other teams.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Don't card me for this PTF but Murphy generally gets the number one tag while a more attacking player goes on Judd. He's done quite well while getting tagged including probably the best game I've seen him play against the Bulldogs in 2009 when he was clearly BOG and the player Rodney Eade identified before the game as most important to tag.

Hahaha , good to see there can be some friendly banter even toward Richmond posters upon here , I won't push the limits !
The good thing is that the two best mates Cotchin and Krueser appear to be the best , as expected from their draft year . Unfortunately both have had their injury concerns , let's hope Murphy shows the commitment Cotchin has and resigns with the club that gave him his first chance and doesn't get carried away with offers from the new Franchise !

 

[parrot]

Cotchin is a classic example, of how players are "rated" in the footy world. Here's the rating's criteria:

In order of "importance"....

#1 Draft pick used
#2 Club they belong to
#3 How often their name gets mentioned and re-mentioned in the media. i.e. the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy syndrome - say a player is a star often enough and they become a star
#4 Other factors - I won't mention because it'll cause a PC meltdown - you might be able to guess. It's not hard.
#5 Football ability and actual game-day performances

I've personally always ignored factors #1 to #4. But eventually #5 can't be ignored.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The issue is Cotchin has already been proclaimed a "superstar" by most Richmond supporters and the KB-led media fan club. I'm just pointing out his onfield performances have been quite average. I've seen way too many of them, and have been amazed at how his deficiencies seem to get ignored by his adoring media. Martin is actually a much better performing footballer. So at this stage all hype and no result. Murph actually performs in big games and has been doing it consistently for a while now. Many teams (e.g. Floodingwood), assign their #1 tag to Murph instead of Judd. So there's a big difference. Massive actually. Fact is Cotchin is a vanilla mid at this stage wise. Will he improve? Maybe, maybe not.

The thing is, no-one is closing the door where Cotchin is concerned, but at this stage of his career the hype far outweighs his performance. He does not deserve the recognition he gets from the media, or on BF, given what he has produced so far. At this stage he is a 20 year old who showed great promise as a junior, but is yet to do this consistently at AFL level (fair enough for a 20 year old, but the way he gets talked about you would think he has already dominated the competition). There are a number of players from the '07 draft who have already delivered much more than Cotchin, including our own Matty Kreuzer, Dangerfield, Rioli, Grimes, Otten, Mayne.

Rioli possibly and argument could be Krueser , don't get to carried away the smart ones are saying he is a player who has potential and I suspect like most clubs last season , he'll be the first player tagged by our opposition again this
year including Carlton .
As for the hype maybe medium you just can't view him with a neutral opinion and others can ?

 

[Blueboys7]

Don't card me for this PTF but Murphy generally gets the number one tag while a more attacking player goes on Judd. He's done quite well while getting tagged including probably the best game I've seen him play against the Bulldogs in 2009 when he was clearly BOG and the player Rodney Eade identified before the game as most important to tag.

Why does everybody overlook this?

Murphy regularly gets the no. 1 tag and has had to deal with it from day 1 in his very first year of football. His contested ball winning is also very underrated and his accountabilty has been questioned so much that it has been grossly exaggerated.

On another note your sig is quite hilarious!

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Oh and lets not forget

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I agree, Rust, he's got absolutely shithouse decision making!

Why he chose to pass to Polo we'll never know.

 

[parrot]

A more sensible comparison would be Lucas V Cotchin, and even in that one Cotchin would struggle. Lucas is one mid I can see entering the Gibbs/Murph level. A very smart, skillful, talented footballer, fantastic overhead and is very quick with a massive tank. He was a steal. Hopefully he's over the hamstring problem, and can have a great season.

 

[Sin City]

Hahaha , good to see there can be some friendly banter even toward Richmond posters upon here , I won't push the limits !

Yeah I'm pretty much the nice guy around here, some of these others are a bit heavy towards Richmond fans though. Just do as I say and you'll be fine.

The good thing is that the two best mates Cotchin and Krueser appear to be the best , as expected from their draft year . Unfortunately both have had their injury concerns

This is where I think Cotchin is completely over-hyped. He's been solid to good, had his injuries sadly but on field hasn't shown anything special on field. I think other first round picks Taylor, Grimes and Rioli have been better and a few others pushing him as well.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Definitely rate the Cotch on what I've seen. Skills, balance, the standout mid in a mostly appalling side- The Dale Weightman path is his for the taking. (Hopefully The Big V gets to play again in the coming years- he may get some meaning from his career).

 

[Red Bull]

Cotchin is a classic example, of how players are "rated" in the footy world. Here's the rating's criteria:

In order of "importance"....

#1 Draft pick used
#2 Club they belong to
#3 How often their name gets mentioned and re-mentioned in the media. i.e. the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy syndrome - say a player is a star often enough and they become a star
#4 Other factors - I won't mention because it'll cause a PC meltdown - you might be able to guess. It's not hard.
#5 Football ability and actual game-day performances

I've personally always ignored factors #1 to #4. But eventually #5 can't be ignored.

The greatest example of this is Justin Koschitzke
This player who continually gets rated as a top liner by the lazy media pack just fails to perform year after year .
He had a 3 or 4 game purple patch about 3 years ago and thats it .
High draft pick , imposing physique and maybe 1 good mark per game is enough for the lazy sheep in the media to keep rating this bloke !
His actual performances if delivered by a 3rd round draft pick would have seen him flicked years ago !

 

[parrot]

The greatest example of this is Justin Koschitzke
This player who continually gets rated as a top liner by the lazy media pack just fails to perform year after year .
He had a 3 or 4 game purple patch about 3 years ago and thats it .
High draft pick , imposing physique and maybe 1 good mark per game is enough for the lazy sheep in the media to keep rating this bloke !
His actual performances if delivered by a 3rd round draft pick would have seen him flicked years ago !

Correct. Good example. There's no doubt draft pick level and media hype have a huge impact on the perception of the capabilities of a footballer even if their on-field feats are average or vanilla. There's converse examples as well. I won't mention names, but there's at least one footballer on our list that's miles more talented and damaging than Cotchin will ever be, but he fails on criteria 1 to 4, and so will never get the same recognition. That's just how the footy world works unfortunately. But you'll find the coaches do know who the best footballers really are, because it's their job to identify them. As a side note, this is why the AA-selection process has become a complete joke, because it's the same biased, axe-to-grind, incompetent media cheerleaders making those selections.

 

[ESKIE]

The thing is, no-one is closing the door where Cotchin is concerned, but at this stage of his career the hype far outweighs his performance. He does not deserve the recognition he gets from the media, or on BF, given what he has produced so far. At this stage he is a 20 year old who showed great promise as a junior, but is yet to do this consistently at AFL level (fair enough for a 20 year old, but the way he gets talked about you would think he has already dominated the competition). There are a number of players from the '07 draft who have already delivered much more than Cotchin, including our own Matty Kreuzer, Dangerfield, Rioli, Grimes, Otten, Mayne.

Agree

Not to forget he was top 10 in the brownlow in 2009 and an injury hampered his season last year, cops the no: 1 tag .. he is a proven performer hands down....

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

I won't mention names, but there's at least one footballer on our list that's miles more talented and damaging than Cotchin will ever be, but he fails on criteria 1 to 4, and so will never get the same recognition.

I reckon Kade Simpson fits that sort of criteria.

Consistently plays at a level that would fit him into any side.

Hasn't missed a game for 5 years.

As a positional player, would be one of the two best wingers in the game. Provides ample defensive pressure despite the role he plays for the team.

Turns up for big games, and is as versatile as any single sided player.

He however, never had the same potential as Cotchin, whose balance, poise and skill is something to behold.

 

[ESKIE]

Yer I know that i am basing it on potential.

That is why I said, if he can get his body right and get quicker I think he will be an a absolute superstar.

Got to watch a few games when he played for the Knights alongside Kruezer and he was just unbelievable. I just really rate the kid, thats all.

You could say the same about many players, even Murphy, get his body right & quicker, might even win a brownlow ... just my opinion but

 

[ESKIE]

I reckon Kade Simpson fits that sort of criteria.

Consistently plays at a level that would fit him into any side.

Hasn't missed a game for 5 years.

As a positional player, would be one of the two best wingers in the game. Provides ample defensive pressure despite the role he plays for the team.

Turns up for big games, and is as versatile as any single sided player.

He however, never had the same potential as Cotchin, whose balance, poise and skill is something to behold.

Yes

 

[Chism]

Potential is such a dirty word.

 

[bluepride]

Potential is such a dirty word.

You know whats worse.

Upside.

 

[mediumsizered]

You know whats worse.

Upside.

Even worse are those players who apparently have the X-factor. It has no meaning but is used by many to pump up a player who has clearly underachieved.