Random Chat Thread VIII (Aka the world politics shitfight thread)

[bengrina]

How has this ceasefire deal come about? What has changed that would prompt Israel to accept any form of Ceasefire?

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

How has this ceasefire deal come about? What has changed that would prompt Israel to accept any form of Ceasefire?

Their own words:

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak:

Israeli approval today comes because of Trump’s pressure and not out of moral and humanitarian commitment towards the kidnapped people.

 

[bengrina]

Their own words:

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak:

Israeli approval today comes because of Trump’s pressure and not out of moral and humanitarian commitment towards the kidnapped people.

Why would trump be pushing for a ceasefire?

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

Why would trump be pushing for a ceasefire?

It was one of his election promises. Trump has no interest in having wars in the Middle East.

 

[giantroo]

 

[The Dark]

Thumping? He won by less than 2%. His popular margin victory was smaller than Hillary Clinton’s in 2016.

He would sell anything that isn’t nailed down to anyone.

Putin has invaded a sovereign state. He won’t stop at Ukraine. Anyone who believes he’s a boogeyman is a crank.


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He won convincingly, the College and the popular vote.

He IMPROVED on his 2016 win.

When I'm wrong about something, like I was about the 2024 US election, I try and learn from it.

The most obvious lesson is the American people wanted him, knowing exactly who he is.

That he's a shonk who would sell anything that isn't nailed down is no big secret, and they still voted for him.

He IS the will of the Anerican people writ large, this is who Anerica is (as uncomfortable as that may be)

As for Russia invading sovereign Ukraine, they did that, it's a fact.

Apparently the first time in history it's ever happened too lol.

 

[The Dark]

I can see the parallels, although Trump is trying to remove the US from treaties similar to what got the world in trouble in 1914. I see Trump as isolationist, he is more likely to turn the US into Russia 1919. Looking at solving problems inwards and we also know how that ended up with people who thought they were smartest in the room. Although as a given completely different ideologies.

Yep, he's always appealed to that strong "whadda we wasting our taxes on them goddam [insert current war] for" streak in the US politics.

And that's and OLD and strong streak - why the US didn't automatically enter either world war at the beginning.

For all US propaganda loves to call the bad guy du nos jours THE NEW HITLER, they didn't actually do shit to stop the real life Hitler until the Japanese attacked their Pacific naval base and Hitler declared war on them.

I’ve always said Trump isn’t going to be the issue it’s what crawls out in 15 years or so, after we’ve seen a few years of hyperinflation and destabilisation in the US and you’ve got absolute resentment towards the state.

I don't think we have to wait that long. He's old, desperately unhealthy and hasn't done a days exercise in his life.

Every chance he does a William Henry Harrison and dies after getting sick at his inauguration in a week lol.

Then we have President Vance.

On which, the civil war between the Bannon faction and the Saffa tech scum will define the next few years imo.

 

[Chadwiko]

Their own words:

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak:

Israeli approval today comes because of Trump’s pressure and not out of moral and humanitarian commitment towards the kidnapped people.

Both Biden and Trump camps appear to be trying to take credit for it.

It is interesting that the exact terms of the ceasefire are the exact terms that the Biden administration pushed for starting back in May last year.

 

[The Dark]

When?


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When Trump gets in and begins his insane tax cuts again and all the other crap.

He did more to blow out their deficit than anyone in modern history, and he's going to do it again.

They have to sell bonds to finance the debt. They'll have to do it at ever increasing rates.

Its basically what happened to Liz Truss (another insane loser) but on steroids.

 

[The Dark]

The article is explaining the mechanism, not the cause but honestly would you invest in America in the next few years?

They have to cut spending by billions whilst simulating growth with a couple of self serving billionaires running policy, what could go wrong.

The US is currently where Russia was in 1999. Except, instead of electing a bodgy strongman to take down the oligarchs, he's actively aiding them lol.

 

[Chadwiko]

It was one of his election promises. Trump has no interest in having wars in the Middle East.

Minor point of clarification; Trump didn't campaign on ending the Gaza conflict. Quite the opposite; he actively campaigned on encouraging Netanyahu to escalate and 'finish the job' (IE get rid of Hamas fully and once and for all).

I don't love Rosenberg or The Atlantic generally speaking, but to be fair I largely agree with how they've described the way this ceasefire came about - it was Biden's deal, and the parties finally accepted it because both sides didn't feel they'd likely get a better deal under Trump;



Also just for what it's worth, the same article makes a good argument for why it wouldn't be wise for anyone to prescribe 'victory' to either Israel or Palestine/Hamas in this situation;




Full article here;

Trump Made the Gaza Cease-Fire Happen

But not for the reasons he or Biden’s critics say

www.theatlantic.com

 

[The Dark]

Fairly safe to assume they don't have any MIG 29s left, which is pretty amazing when you consider how many they had to begin with and how many were donated from around the world.

 

[giantroo]

Minor point of clarification; Trump didn't campaign on ending the Gaza conflict. Quite the opposite; he actively campaigned on encouraging Netanyahu to escalate and 'finish the job' (IE get rid of Hamas fully and once and for all).

You could say that 'threat' has worked and brought all sides to compromise. The relationship between Trump and Netanyahu isn't exactly rosy, at least not publicly.

 

[Chadwiko]

The relationship between Trump and Netanyahu isn't exactly rosy, at least not publicly.

Do you mean Biden and Netanyahu? If so, you're correct - they actively dislike each other and Biden has been reportedly furious at Netanyahu over the Gaza situation.

If you actually did mean Trump and Netanyahu, then I have to disagree - they're close friends and allies and Netanyahu even stayed at Mar-A-Lago earlier this year.

 

[Liam Boy]

I think Trump is fundamentally a creature of optics and he understands how ****ing bad a look Israel is for the US right now. Not really much else to it

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Who’s this?


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[Chadwiko]

Fairly safe to assume they don't have any MIG 29s left, which is pretty amazing when you consider how many they had to begin with and how many were donated from around the world.

Just circling back to this, and to keep the discussion focused on the 'issues'...

It's a strange thing to suggest that Ukraine "don't have any MIG 29s left" when the very Twitter account you shared here literally has videos of Ukranian MIG 29s in action from today;





Add to that the reports that Ukraine will continue to receive fighter jets, including MIG 29s, from allies over the coming months. IE;



Just seems that the suggestion Ukraine has none of these planes left seems to be a very slanted editorialisation, perhaps?

 

[ferball]

The article is explaining the mechanism, not the cause but honestly would you invest in America in the next few years?

They have to cut spending by billions whilst simulating growth with a couple of self serving billionaires running policy, what could go wrong.

I'm not an economist. The whole thing looks like rubbish to me. But I'm starting to think defecits don't matter. .... like ... where does money come from?

 

[Chadwiko]

I'm not an economist. The whole thing looks like rubbish to me. But I'm starting to think defecits don't matter. .... like ... where does money come from?

Oh god please tell me you're not going down the MMT rabbit hole haha

 

[ferball]

How has this ceasefire deal come about? What has changed that would prompt Israel to accept any form of Ceasefire?

8 Billion dollars worth of weapons to fight Iran.

 

[ferball]

Oh god please tell me you're not going down the MMT rabbit hole haha

I don't know anything about economics other than modern economics fails to predict anything, so its about as scientifically accurate as political science (ie not at all), and the whole thing is based on the artifical manipulation of scarcity.

Its a ****en scam to keep the wealthy in power.

 

[ferball]

It was one of his election promises. Trump has no interest in having wars in the Middle East.

Except with Iran.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I'm not an economist. The whole thing looks like rubbish to me. But I'm starting to think defecits don't matter. .... like ... where does money come from?

It really doesn’t.

Money is invented. Often a deficit is a good thing as it means governments are spending on infrastructure and social services.

Musk will try and balance it by slashing everything except the military and $$ to his own governments.

Government debt is not the same as our debt. If we get behind on our mortgage we can’t raise taxes to pay for it.


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