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So excited with our trading, with the exception of the Jolly deal it couldn't have gone much better. I think we've substantially improved our squad while at the same time bringing in youth.
What I'm most impressed with is our ability to get trades done quickly and fairly, not just flex our muscles all week saying we're gonna let everyone go to the PSD.
Mumford -
Fair trade, good young committed ruckman traded for what he's worth
Barry Hall - Happy to get a something for him after he was "retired"
Seaby/Buchanan - Not totally sold on Seaby, still seems a bit of a gumby to me but i'm willing to give him a shot, most WC fans seem to think he'll flourish with game time. Happy to get rid of Buchanan in all this too, had been too average for too long and was probably going to end up in Canberra again this year.
Kennedy/McGlynn - We definitely "won" this trade getting them for nothing picks. Kennedy is rated very highly by Hawks and both played a fair bit of senior footy last year so should be ready to go.
Jolly -
Paid a little under but i get the impression that once we lined up the Mumford trade we were willing to let Mrs Jolly have her way, shame to lose him, great player. But I will hate him for the way he left, 2010 would be a nice time to break the drought against Collingwood.
Draft pick #39 for #47 Epic win!
What I'm most impressed with is our ability to get trades done quickly and fairly, not just flex our muscles all week saying we're gonna let everyone go to the PSD.
Mumford -
Fair trade, good young committed ruckman traded for what he's worthBarry Hall -
Happy to get a something for him after he was "retired"Seaby/Buchanan -
Not totally sold on Seaby, still seems a bit of a gumby to me but i'm willing to give him a shot, most WC fans seem to think he'll flourish with game time. Happy to get rid of Buchanan in all this too, had been too average for too long and was probably going to end up in Canberra again this year.Kennedy/McGlynn -
We definitely "won" this trade getting them for nothing picks. Kennedy is rated very highly by Hawks and both played a fair bit of senior footy last year so should be ready to go.Jolly -
Paid a little under but i get the impression that once we lined up the Mumford trade we were willing to let Mrs Jolly have her way, shame to lose him, great player. But I will hate him for the way he left, 2010 would be a nice time to break the drought against Collingwood.Draft pick #39 for #47
Epic win!
SM
Bigfooty Legend
Draft pick #39 for #47
You do realise that was part of the Buchanan trade, right?
Yeah i know it just looks funny because it appears separately on the trade tracker
Membling
Brownlow Medallist
Think overall we did well, bit short Shifted on Jolly but can't really help that
Great trading - 9/10.
1). Strengthened our on-ball division and depth (rucks and midfielders).
2). Strengthened our overall team eveness without really losing anything (apologies to Mr Jolly, but you have your limitations, and at 28/29 y/o next year...). Our bottom six was one of the worst in the comp in 09, but hopefully we now won't have to play Bevan, Cheese and the other one... ummm... oh yeah, Canadian.
3). Retained 2 (yes 2!!!) picks in the first round to recruit a midfielder and possibly a key defender.
1). Strengthened our on-ball division and depth (rucks and midfielders).
2). Strengthened our overall team eveness without really losing anything (apologies to Mr Jolly, but you have your limitations, and at 28/29 y/o next year...). Our bottom six was one of the worst in the comp in 09, but hopefully we now won't have to play Bevan, Cheese and the other one... ummm... oh yeah, Canadian.
3). Retained 2 (yes 2!!!) picks in the first round to recruit a midfielder and possibly a key defender.
I'd definitely have to say about 9/10 under the circumstances...
the reason why our trading strategy was so successful was that it was based around player welfare...all of our acquisitions were happy to come here for better opportunities...and we did well on that front...
we were equitable in all our dealings which is also a plus...
we moved buchanan, hall & jolly on in mutual agreements and didn't hold any clubs to ransom...
jolly deal was a bit of a let down but considering collingwood's reluctance to give up anything of real worth (eg. luke ball/fev trades) we got a decent deal...and with jolly's insistence on going to collingwood we were never gonna get a great deal... but it's still a win imo because we got pick 14 & a new ruck duo who are going to be there when we're back in the race...
no shock losses...i could care less about jolly...and we held onto pick 6 & 14...can't wait for 2010
the reason why our trading strategy was so successful was that it was based around player welfare...all of our acquisitions were happy to come here for better opportunities...and we did well on that front...
we were equitable in all our dealings which is also a plus...
we moved buchanan, hall & jolly on in mutual agreements and didn't hold any clubs to ransom...
jolly deal was a bit of a let down but considering collingwood's reluctance to give up anything of real worth (eg. luke ball/fev trades) we got a decent deal...and with jolly's insistence on going to collingwood we were never gonna get a great deal... but it's still a win imo because we got pick 14 & a new ruck duo who are going to be there when we're back in the race...
no shock losses...i could care less about jolly...and we held onto pick 6 & 14...can't wait for 2010
I'm excited about McGlynn, Kennedy, and Mumford, I don't mind the idea of Seaby, I'm happy that we've gotten another pick in the first round, but I can't bring myself to think we've won when we have lost a player like Darren Jolly. The guy is a superstar, can play out most of a game, and was probably our most valuable player this year. Our midfield has never been an amazing ball-sharking outfit, and it has been relying on the brilliant tap rucking from Jolly to make it decent.
If Brock McLean went for pick 11, Jolly should have been well into the top 10, but I suppose he wanted to nominate a club and take away a lot of our bargaining power, ruining any chance we had of getting a good deal. Good on him. I'd be surprised if anyone around Sydney still respected him, but good on him.
If Brock McLean went for pick 11, Jolly should have been well into the top 10, but I suppose he wanted to nominate a club and take away a lot of our bargaining power, ruining any chance we had of getting a good deal. Good on him. I'd be surprised if anyone around Sydney still respected him, but good on him.
barry fu
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I think we did quite well, not sold on McGlynn but he only cost the price of a pack of Tic-Tac's so can't complain really.
But the way the club went about it's business was great, some of the other mobs were pathetic, 3 in particular.
But the way the club went about it's business was great, some of the other mobs were pathetic, 3 in particular.
We have done better than expected in the draft this week.McGlynn is a ready made player,very small but good.Should play straight away.Kennedy is a work in progress.He has not played alot of games and his disposals need to be worked on.I am wrapped we got Mumford.He's one big,strong boy who could turn out to be anything.I think he is our best get.
He will go off like a frog in a sock. He is hard at it and a real terrier. I was really surprised/happy you guys managed to pick him up. Hell be great.
Kennedy is another ready made cannon ball ready to swing through the midfield, will be able to help Kirky(legend) out a bit with the tough stuff.
You guys have also reinvented your ruck department, while youthful, has enourmous upside.
Grade A for mine.
Well done to you and Roosy.
Look forward to next year.
doona
SMFC
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The Herald Sun trade week report card.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-week-report-card/story-e6frf9jf-1225785213602
I really Dont agree!
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-week-report-card/story-e6frf9jf-1225785213602
I really Dont agree!
It's the HUN though Schmidty, a paper not known for its love of the Swans. I, like most of us, think we've done VERY WELL in this draft. Hats off to Roos and the club.
Bring on THE MUMMY!!!!
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Why does the ****ing media always think that we were after Fevola? We were never in the bloody hunt. God, the media shit me to tears.
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I'm sorry, a C+ for not chasing a liability of a player and for being very cooperative and welcoming with a players desire for a better work/life balance?
Prob more than the Daily Terror reported on the Swans trade week performance though...
EDIT: They gave Adelaide an F for not taking part. It's not compulsory, plus if you're happy with your list and picks, why bother trading?
They also gave Hawthorn an A and frankly I think they got completely done over in the Trade period, which can be backed up by the general negative feedback from Hawks supporters.
I second The Paranormal's last sentence. :thumsbsd:
Prob more than the Daily Terror reported on the Swans trade week performance though...
EDIT: They gave Adelaide an F for not taking part. It's not compulsory, plus if you're happy with your list and picks, why bother trading?
They also gave Hawthorn an A and frankly I think they got completely done over in the Trade period, which can be backed up by the general negative feedback from Hawks supporters.
I second The Paranormal's last sentence. :thumsbsd:
Michaelg
Team Captain
FFS, no-one takes the Hun seriously. The very fact that they downgraded our rating for supposedly losing out on the Fevola trade when we were never interested should tell you everything you need to know. They make things up to pander to their ignorant readership, and the idiots just lap it up. Don't read it. Ever.
Maybe he rated us down for losing out in the chase for Fevola because he doesn't want to admit that (like the rest of the media) we never were in the chase and hence this makes it appear that all the stories, rumors and hints appear to be true, when they aren't and thus the entire media pack have just been proven as a pack of morons for a entire fortnight of linking the Swans to a player we were never interested in and never chased.
But to them its easier to just say we lost out and thus we had a poor trade week
Let the idiots in the media rule
But to them its easier to just say we lost out and thus we had a poor trade week
Let the idiots in the media rule
Membling
Brownlow Medallist
I know i looked at the C+ and was like WTF we were never after Fev and got bad marks for not pursuing him...
GotheSwanas
Draftee
Almost cried when i herd Jolly wanted to leave the swanas. But seeing how he was going to leave anyways Paul Roos once again works his magic to get something good out of a terrible situation. I still think jolly is worth more then pick 14 but picking up young guns like mumford and kennedy for second rate picks makes it all better. Will also interesting to see how seaby goes, played most of his career under the shadow of dean cox and from the games i have seen him play he seems to be a quality ruckman. Cant wait for season 2010 syndey are definitly a finals side!!!!
C+ was very generous with or without Fev, we should have been ready for the trade at the very least and we werent Roos admitted that himself and gotta admire the Saints for not bending over for collingwood, and I think when dealing with the dogs we should have thrown money at Lake(how good would he be down back) who was struggling to fit in their cap, ok Im happy with Mumford but we paid way too much, Seaby we would have got in the PSD, bahh I could go on and on but you guys know better than me, dont get me wrong Im behind our new players 100% but to say our 'trading' was above average is a very blinkered view imo..
(this is rate the 'trading' thread)
(this is rate the 'trading' thread)
I can't believe your suggesting that C+ was 'very generous'. To be honest, with our now young team, even if Jolly hadn't chosen to go, the loss of him and gaining Mumford and Seaby has been excellent. Mumford's best is definitely before him, whereas Jolly's is in the past. I also like Mumfords aggression, which I always felt Jolly lacked, despite his brilliance.
Sure, it would have been great to get Lake, but we did get Kennedy and McGlynn, which will add to our team greatly. I'm so happy that we didnt go for Fev. IMHO, I think the side will be far better for the changes, and to still have 2 picks in the first round of the draft i s brilliant.
We were never after Fev, and with good reason. We can hardly be marked down for not going after a player we didn't want to go after.
Lake was never coming to the Swans either. Like Fev, it was just media hype. Lake maaaay have gone to another Vic club, but that was only slightly more likely.
We didn't overpay for Mumford. Often a ruckman at that stage will attract a first rounder. We paid a fair price, given he was a touch older than normal for that stage of development, and he wanted to leave.
Seaby we wouldn't have got in the PSD, at least not definitely. Richmond could well have pounced. Also, we didn't give up pick 22 for him, we downgraded pick 22 to pick 28 for him (using Buchy to upgrade pick 47 to pick 39), on-trading pick 28 for Mumford. So essentially, we traded pick 22 for Seaby and Mumford.
Buchy's upgrade of pick 47 to pick 39 essentially meant that we traded Buchy, Hall, pick 46 and pick 70 (which we won't use) for Kennedy and McGlynn. If that's not a massive bucket of win, I don't know what is.
The Jolly trade we lost. But, apparently despite Joll's contract we were in a worse bargaining position than we thought. We still did alright out of it, and it allowed us to trade for Kennedy and McGlynn while keeping pick 38, as well as having a second first rounder!
We were one of the genuinely big winners out of trade week Bez.
Membling
Brownlow Medallist
In looking at the draft in a simplified way it comes out like this:
Traded one player effectively retired from the swans for a pick
Traded one player who wanted out for two picks
Traded one player who may have reached full potential at swans
Got three younger players for three picks we wouldn't use and a 2nd rounder
Got an experienced ruckman for a down graded pick
Gained a first rounder
Traded one player effectively retired from the swans for a pick
Traded one player who wanted out for two picks
Traded one player who may have reached full potential at swans
Got three younger players for three picks we wouldn't use and a 2nd rounder
Got an experienced ruckman for a down graded pick
Gained a first rounder
