News Review into racism at Collingwood

[jackcass]

this is from the hawthorn site


As a member of the Hawthorn Football Club:

I will refrain from engaging in harassing, intimidating, disruptive and/or violent behaviour inclusive of foul and abusive language or offensive gestures

I will not engage in or endorse any form of vilification based on

• Race;
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• Religion;
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• Ethnicity;
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I will comply with the terms and conditions of entry at all AFL venues, club matches and club events and conduct myself in a manner that does not damage (or have the potential to damage) the reputation of the Hawthorn Football Club.

I will not engage in conduct that could bring the Hawthorn Football Club or the game of Australian Rules Football into disrepute.

Across all forms of media including social media or general media, I will not engage in conduct that could result in bringing Hawthorn Football Club or the game of Australian Rules Football into disrepute

The Hawthorn Football Club works closely with the AFL and its venues to identify and act upon anti-social behaviour in accordance with the AFL’s National Vilification and Discrimination Policy andMember Protection Policy.

The Hawthorn Football Club appreciates your support of the Member Code of Conduct and encourages everyone to call-out anti-social behaviour by reporting offences via the most appropriate channel.

There are likely similar messages contained across the Collingwood site or in values statements and such like, but that is as clear and succinct as it should be on ever clubs site.

 

[Apples]

Given all he has done for the Club, if the catalyst for him to be forced out the door early is because of a boneheaded press conference performance, I think that is pretty unfair. But then again, if his Presidency becomes a distraction, it might be better for the Club for him to stand down soonish. That would be a sad end for him and would likely tarnish his legacy. That is a pretty unfair outcome for someone who on balance, has provided the Club with outstanding service over decades. That length of service shouldn't be dismissed.

If I am him, I would definitely not want to stand down right now, mainly because it would become a nasty punctuation mark on my contribution to Collingwood. Identifying and naming a successor asap might take the heat away from the issue and allow him to finish out as a lame duck?

I've been waiting for you to chime in Mr Sideswipe. As usual, you haven't disappointed.

 

[Ron The Bear]

How should he have handled the incident with the girl differently? Not followed it up with his own comparison of Adam Goodes to King Kong.

Separate issues.

Not protesting while Newman appeared in blackface. After years reflecting on this he defended Newman over this incident.

That was last century. "Blackface" had no history or stigma here until Harry Connick made it a thing ten years later. It's imported outrage.

Your acceptance that maybe 'some players', for perhaps a short time and who maybe stopped when asked indicates that you know Lumumba is telling the truth.

Sure, other players have corroborated it. I'm asking whether it was dealt with appropriately in-house and whether Harry raised it years after the fact simply to embarrass the club he'd had a falling out with.

 

[jackcass]

Why do we insist on having Ed at the front of our media conferences, the bloke is an Embarrassment. What I can't cop is TIM WATSON on SEN chomping at the bit to have a go. This bloke would have been well and truelly aware of Essendon';s systemic drugging at the time, not to mention many other Essendon coverups, absolute Hypocrite.

Seriously? You think the press conference yesterday could proceed without ED front and centre?

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

This...
Collingwood racism report findings a vindication for Héritier Lumumba and others who paid price for speaking up

Trumpian bullet points, deflections and denials. This was McGuire's Four Seasons Total Mansplaining

The release of the report into racism at Collingwood is a day of vindication for Héritier Lumumba, whose brave confrontation of powerful institutions has the potential to change the game for those who follow.

www.abc.net.au

 

[jackcass]

Utterly embarrassing from Eddie, he’s clearly lost his mind and should go if he thinks that’s the language you should use to respond to a report like that. He has wanted to be everywhere trying to take on way too much and has become gaff prone, I’m wondering if he’s got Dementia or Alzheimer’s.

Proud? he should’ve said we are not proud of what’s in the report. He’s a presenter/host, which is basically an actor, how hard is it to be contrite and portray the right tone and be sombre.

Instead he comes out with his ridiculous attempt to be upbeat and how this is a great day.

You’d have to be a genuine cracker to say the kind of stuff he did today. Only a clueless racist who has no idea what’s going on would think saying it’s a proud day is a good idea.

His "proud" comment was I'd suggest purely a recognition that the club had made the hard calls to instigate a warts and all look at itself. I can't understand why people insist on extrapolating it to some level of pride in our history as described in the report. It's just nonsensical.

 

[Scodog10]

JB1975 and sideswipe setting aside my disgust in McGuire and genuine hope that he stands down immediately is it not possible that both your opinions can be addressed? As a conciliatory gesture perhaps he steps down from the board and stays on in an “honorary consultant” capacity in regards to finding a successor due to his years of service blah blah blah.

It’s absolutely not my preferred outcome, but perhaps it’s an outcome that his fellow board members can sell to him as a means of continuing his involvement in the process whilst simultaneously severing ties with him from an executive perspective.

 

[manicpie]

Seriously? You think the press conference yesterday could proceed without ED front and centre?

Too late I suppose. I would have muzzled him 10 years ago, and yes, I would have fronted it without Ed because he should have resigned by now.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

You're smarter than that. He wasn't saying that the club are proud of their history. He was saying the club are proud they've had the balls to instigate the review, warts and all, acknowledge that history and move forward. How many other clubs have undertaken similar reviews that we're aware of?

I get what he was trying to say, but it was the wrong thing to say.

We didn’t start the review. Lumumba put us under the media microscope so in typical Eddie fashion he called a review and is now claiming “we initiated a review”.


If lumumba didn’t say anything, would the review have happened? No.

 

[sr36]

It was a very Trumpesque performance from Ed. Just has to try to put a positive spin on everything. Which was particularly ridiculous in the circumstances where the main criticism of recent admin is that they've ignored racial issues and just worried about presenting the brand positively.

It was an exclamation mark on Eds biggest flaw, but I don't understand why the report and others are labelling that as racist. Insensitivity, self promotion and stupidity aren't racism.

 

[JB1975]

JB1975 and sideswipe setting aside my disgust in McGuire and genuine hope that he stands down immediately is it not possible that both your opinions can be addressed? As a conciliatory gesture perhaps he steps down from the board and stays on in an “honorary consultant” capacity in regards to finding a successor due to his years of service blah blah blah.

It’s absolutely not my preferred outcome, but perhaps it’s an outcome that his fellow board members can sell to him as a means of continuing his involvement in the process whilst simultaneously severing ties with him from an executive perspective.

Who knows what's gone on behind closed doors, but my suspicion would be that these conversations have already happened in some form and that Ed's resignation is the only concession he's willing to make.

Selfish, far from ideal, but we're stuck with it unless the heat of this week prompts a re-think from Ed.

 

[jackcass]

Don't people ever get tired of accusing others of racism? The word has lost all meaning. It is truly ridiculous. Collingwood have regularly visited Indigenous communities up north where the players mix in with the kids and local people.
That clearly is a racist stunt that only a racist club would think up in order to camouflage their underlying racism.

A couple of extracts from the Reconciliation Action Plan. The issue hasn't been with the intent of the club but with a disconnect between that intent and the delivery. I doubt it's been as significant problem over the last 3-5 years as it was historically, but we can't escape that past.

 

[jackcass]

Just ignore the report based off 30 club and linked parties being interviewed.

“there is a gap between what the Collingwood Football Club says it stands for and what it does”.

And do you know the time period those 30 people were referring to?

 

[Maggie5]

Someone quoted an ABC news article on the main board this is article not sure i am allowed to link it but here it is https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06...gwood-racism-claims-heritier-lumumba/12351966

Thanks.

It is okay to link articles and even post a paragraph or two.

 

[jackcass]

Yes and no. His problem is he is very blokey in his humor and he tends to not see that some humor goes to far in this day and age. Growing up my mates and I hung sh*t on each other pretty much about everything, nothing was out of bounds and so its hard to relate to how people take offence. Someone can call me a loser and I will laugh at them, don't worry me but say it to people from different back grounds and they take it to heart and it upsets them. Its very hard for people from Eddie and my generation to relate to. I have never racially abused anyone but I have made what would be judged racists remarks by others to mates who just laughed and gave it back to me. Greeks and Italians used to cop it non stop when I was growing up. They were wogs and I was a skip. It was pretty funny (to us).

A classic example re Ed was his comments re Caroline Wilson and 'drowning' her. He never meant it as anything but humor but it blew up. He like me is a bit out of touch. Difference is I have no profile. Sam Newman was no different, when the footy show started street talk was great viewing but times changes and Sam did not.

Ed aint a bad person, he just has poor judgement at times and he overstayed his welcome as president. Its a pity but he needs to move on to the next stage of his life and the club needs to evolve and move on. Will I enjoy the footy as much now that its become so politically correct and driven by social agendas? No, but as I said, I am out of touch and am also moving on.

He's a kid that grew up in Broadmeadows in the 60's and 70's so it's hardly surprising.

 

[domus]

This...
Collingwood racism report findings a vindication for Héritier Lumumba and others who paid price for speaking up

Trumpian bullet points, deflections and denials. This was McGuire's Four Seasons Total Mansplaining

The release of the report into racism at Collingwood is a day of vindication for Héritier Lumumba, whose brave confrontation of powerful institutions has the potential to change the game for those who follow.

www.abc.net.au

An ABC report. Did the ABC ever rip into the woman who led the review into Collingwood's systemic racism when she called a full blooded indigenous woman more offensive than a man having sex with a horse? I can't imagine what would have happened to our president had he spoken those words. NO, the ABC immediately leapt to her defense and attacked those who criticized her for her disgusting comment. Like so many left leaning journalists the offense taken depends upon who spoke the words or did the deed. It exposes the sham of their posture on "racism." They use it as a weapon to wound those they don't like-it has nothing to do with genuine concern for the plight of our indigenous people.

Criticism of Behrendt hides political agenda - ABC News

Imagine the ABC writing a similar defense of Eddie after his King Kong gaffe. Dream on.

The references to Trump are so telling. Trump spoke about his plans for America openly and loudly. He then tried hard (and succeeded on many fronts) to implement them. Biden refused to say what he was going to do and was allowed to get away with it. When pressed in a debate he said he would not end fracking and using executive orders was undemocratic and dictatorial. Once elected he immediately began signing executive orders and now has completed over forty in his first week in office. He now wants to end fracking. He has blatantly lied repeatedly and yet the term "Trumpian" is meant to infer bluster and dishonesty.

May I ask why it is brave to say you were a victim of racism in today's society? Victims are lauded and called heroes. They are compensated. That's why so many people are desperate to portray themselves as victims in 2021. Speaking out against racism in the 1960's was courageous. Doing it now is as commonplace and safe as ordering a coffee. Who is going to attack you? How are you going to be punished or in any way suffer negative consequences? Courage is on display when you have a great deal to lose when you speak out-perhaps even your life. It is yet another word which has had all meaning drained from it by its constant misuse.

When the term "mansplaining is used in an article it's time to stop reading it.

The media is dead.

 

[jackcass]

I agree that there is something unfair about it all, but the paramount consideration in most of what you've written --and probably in the President's mind-- is what is best for Ed.

It can't be that way.

But to look at things from the perspective of Ed's self-interest, the hard position he's found himself in means that he won't be doing his legacy any favours by trying to control events from now until his departure.

His only friend right now is posterity, that he'll be more kindly remembered in the longer-term. Cold comfort, I know.

I'm not sure that in this instance there is much significant difference between what is good for Ed and what is good for the club. I don't have an issue with expediting the transition, but it still needs to be an orderly transition or we'll look like a club in turmoil which I don't think we are.

 

[NoobPie]

His "proud" comment was I'd suggest purely a recognition that the club had made the hard calls to instigate a warts and all look at itself. I can't understand why people insist on extrapolating it to some level of pride in our history as described in the report. It's just nonsensical.

The problem is that it was inevitable that would be the outcome.

The irony is it the obsession with trying to affect perceptions that make Ed precisely the wrong person to handle this going forward

 

[UltraMagnus]

Ah Eddie. Australia's Donald Trump. Surely he can fall no further than that?

Hopefully he can do the CFC one final good deed and resign ASAP.

No one can deny what he has done for the club in the past but he is now doing more harm than good in the role.

The whole of Australia is laughing at him and the CFC for their response to the review. There is no spinning your way out of this one.

 

[domus]

Ah Eddie. Australia's Donald Trump. Surely he can fall no further than that?

Hopefully he can do the CFC one final good deed and resign ASAP.

No one can deny what he has done for the club in the past but he is now doing more harm than good in the role.

The whole of Australia is laughing at him and the CFC for their response to the review. There is no spinning your way out of this one.

Being called Australia's Joe Biden would be a far greater fall.

 

[jackcass]

I get what he was trying to say, but it was the wrong thing to say.

We didn’t start the review. Lumumba put us under the media microscope so in typical Eddie fashion he called a review and is now claiming “we initiated a review”.


If lumumba didn’t say anything, would the review have happened? No.

He's always been clumsy with his words, but I think the other panelists gave confidence as to his intent. They all spoke very well.

The club didn't have to instigate this review off the back of Lumumba's comments, it chose to. Invited him to participate. That's positive action rather than waiting for the court case to play out. If you're not prepared to acknowledge the sins of the past you're more likely to repeat them, and less likely to move forward in any meaningful way.

Jump on board the club site and read the Reconciliation Action Plan. It highlights some of the work the club has been doing in this space in more recent times.

 

[jackcass]

The problem is that it was inevitable that would be the outcome.

The irony is it the obsession with trying to affect perceptions that make Ed precisely the wrong person to handle this going forward

I think we'll see a lot more of Anderson than Ed moving forward.

 

[NoobPie]

I think we'll see a lot more of Anderson than Ed moving forward.

Hopefully we will see a lot more of either Sizer or Murphy in the short term as well

 

[JB1975]

I'm not sure that in this instance there is much significant difference between what is good for Ed and what is good for the club. I don't have an issue with expediting the transition, but it still needs to be an orderly transition or we'll look like a club in turmoil which I don't think we are.

I'd say we already appear to be in turmoil, while agreeing that (a) the immediate departure of Ed would exacerbate that vibe and (b) the club remains in decent shape.

My view in the end is that there is considerable difference between what is good for Ed and what's good for the club at this point. There are pitfalls to his standing aside now, but they'd be short-lived and soon outweighed by benefit of clearer air.

Still, I don't think Ed will voluntarily entertain the notion of an immediate walk-off, and I don't suppose I would either in the current circumstances.

 

[sideswipe]

Ah Eddie. Australia's Donald Trump. Surely he can fall no further than that?

Hopefully he can do the CFC one final good deed and resign ASAP.

No one can deny what he has done for the club in the past but he is now doing more harm than good in the role.

The whole of Australia is laughing at him and the CFC for their response to the review. There is no spinning your way out of this one.

I would say get lost, but then I realised it is very hard to do that at home. Enjoy your lockdown.