Richmond - joined VFL: 1908, first premiership: 1920
Hawthorn - joined VFL: 1925, first premiership: 1961
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Brilliant!
It was, at the time. Wallace persisted with a relatively old side in 2005 while Hawthorn were rebuilding. With the benefit of hindsight, it probably wasn't the right thing to do.
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No, it probably wasn't.
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And the Tiges are where the Hawks were this time last year, the difference being, our under 23 side is superior to that of the Hawks. I know they will come out and rave on how that is crap and fair enough, they are entitled to their opinion even though they are looking through rose tinted glasses
We didn't finish last in 2006 so you can't say that the Tiges are where we were last year.
Our side has won more games with each season Clarkson has been at the club.
Wallace has just won eight games LESS than the previous year.
Nothing rose tinted there.
Go Tiges!
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Did you read Ron the Bears quote re the tiges going in with an older team? and in hindsight that was a mistake. Nothing changes the fact our under 23`s are better than yours
Did you read Ron the Bears quote re the tiges going in with an older team? and in hindsight that was a mistake. Nothing changes the fact our under 23`s are better than yours
So Terry took a list that was ahead of Hawthorn's and put it 11 places lower on the ladder?
What a coach!
Let's see what he does with this under 23's team. He's got until 2028 to coach a season where the tiges actually win mor games than they lose. If previous performance is anything to go by.....
Mate you can't say that you're not looking through 'rose tinted glasses' as wellDid you read Ron the Bears quote re the tiges going in with an older team? and in hindsight that was a mistake. Nothing changes the fact our under 23`s are better than yours
It was a more developed list in terms of age and experience as borne out by our 7-2 start to 2005. A number of our players had gone about as far as they could go - Campbell, Chaffey, Stafford, Kellaway, Hilton, Gaspar, Hall, Krakouer - and replacing that amount of experience was always going to be a painful process.
Perhaps Wallace placed too much faith in these players to improve or at least keep going at the same level.
Yeah you have every right to stick the boots in at present, but be careful 'cos footy has a nasty habit of biting you on the arse.
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I have seen Realistic Tiger, one of your best posters, compare the Tigers of '08 to the Hawks of '05. Two other very good posters in Ron The Bear & JSFish also appear to support this view, although they may think the Tiges are a little more advanced than that.
But according to you the Tiges are in the same position as we where last year. That means they will be top 4 for most of the year and will play finals in '08 does it not? As for the comment about your U23's - don't you realise most of our squad is under 23?
Hmmmmmm......whom to believe.......
It is a painful process. But unfortunately for terry the record books show he's taken the side backwards. Three other coaches started at the same time: Eade, Clarkson and Craig. Wallace is the only one of these that hasn't seen finals.
Do you know the stats on list turnover for these four?
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If you hadnt of picked up fat prick Dew and drafted a decent kid, then you would have had as many under 23`s as we have.
[edit - 2 less than the Tiges]
The point is, Baz, that we've got a list that is 95% younger than 23 and we're pretty much a top4 side.
What makes you think your under 23 side is better when your a 16th placed side?
After a quick count, I think the number of additions to the senior list (i.e. excluding rookies) in 2005, 06 and 07 were:
Richmond 23
Hawthorn 22
Bulldogs 16
Adelaide 16
That was prior to this year's trade/draft period.
Hawthorn appear content with their list and only added 4 players. Richmond are still in a state of flux and added 7. Bulldogs and Adelaide recognised the need to rejuvenate their lists and added 10.
Wow!
Exactly half the list has changed in Clarko and Wallace's time at the clubs.
Very interesting stats.
Adelaide have had the most success in that time, Richmond the least.
hmmmm
I guess the quality of player you delist is also heavily relevent. But thatnks again Ronny for the info!
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And the taxpayers for funding the Hawk supportersYou can thank my company, they paid for the time taken to research it.
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I wouldn't be so certain of relative improvement next season.
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Improvement from Hawthorn next season has nought to do with this thread. Richmond will need to make top four to be ahead of us (but twelve months behind).
Obviously the aim is a flag, anything less is failure, blah blah, but I will be happy if we can manage top four next season. It's a realistic aim.
Geelong will struggle to improve next year.
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All the extra spoons you have in that era make up fior the 1 flag in my opinion.
We are even
Thats a really stupid comment. Wooden spoons and 1 premiership is better than many seasons with no spoons or premierships.
Depends on personal opinion. I made the exact same posts about 10 pages back, cbf going into as much detail but basically i said would you prefer 1 premiership and 9 wooden spoons or 10 runner ups in the gf. Depends on personal opinion.
Imagine losing 10 GF's to your arch rival club. I'd take the premiership.
Imagine 'winning' nine consecutive wooden spoons
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