Riewoldt - beaten in 2 grand finals

[winty]

Lets just hope the Pies/media talk up what a "super" job Brown did and how he easily beat Riewoldt.....similar to the Cats Taylor dribble (which always ignores the condiditions...) cause we know how Riewoldt answered the Taylor challenge this year in finals dont we???

Keep telling yourself that. I watched the game again yesterday, and Taylor and Riewoldt contested 22 one-on-one contests during the game, and Taylor won 16 of them. But no, that wasn't because of Taylor. It was because it was wet, Riewoldt had some sort of injury, maybe tied his bootlaces with a single knot instead of a double or some other crazy reason. Face facts. Taylor beat Riewoldt hands down that game, just like Riewoldt returned the favour in this year's qualifying final.

 

[Bollox]

Taylor ?..ancient history that game. Did a bloody good job but then Reevolt was still in the best half of guys in last yrs grannie anyway..set up plenty with spilt ball and drew defenders...but his smalls and help butchered just about everything.

No idea why people search for things to bring this bloke down.. he had a damn good game on Saturday and nothing kicked to his advantage.

The mark i hear people fawning over that Brown took was a ball going over Riewoldt's head...Brown only needed to hold his ground and keep him under the balll...the average FB preys for that stuff.

Cant remember a single kick to the blokes advantage yet he's supposed to pull miracles out his arse is he ?

You find people will even talk about how great Maxwell was for diving on the line...did Geelong fans and others praise Baker for the same thing last yr ?..was that legendary ? ...and how come the ball was there 1 foot from the goals anyway with Maxwell lunging at it ?..who kicked it ?..how good was that ?...1/8th of a second from being a memorable captains goal in a grannie ?...why was Maxwell out of the contest out the back anyway ?...just who was trying to influence the result at the time ?
Put yourself in the game this week.

 

[stfan]

I think many are forgetting that for a CHF to be involved that others have to get the ball to him in the first place.

For the low number of forward 50 entries Roo had a pretty reasonable return.Remember too that the low number meant that Roo did not have enough repetitions to really blow up Brown.

Saying that he was beaten is pretty farcial as he was involved in the game throughout, and in the last was very influential.

He also clearly did not star.

 

[vicco]

He suffered when Maxwell was floating in our forward line. He suffered from the shocking delivery. We only had 35 inside fifties. Look out on Saturday.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

Roo won convincingly IMO.

 

[rose jam]

He suffered when Maxwell was floating in our forward line. He suffered from the shocking delivery. We only had 35 inside fifties. Look out on Saturday.

That's about what you expect to get against the Pies. If the Pies just use the ball a bit shorter going forward it's all over. Pies played arrogantly with their ball use forward, some reprogramming and it should be OK this week.

 

[kahuna71]

Terrific performance by Nathan Brown today.

Surely Riewoldt has to perform in next weeks replay. He's played two poor grand finals now and again missed critical shots on goal.

Hayes and Goddard stamped themselves as incredible leaders. Time for Riewoldt to do the same or his standing in the game will suffer.

what game were you watching? No way was he beaten, although he's certainly got about 12 levels of awesomeness above that performance.

 

[Pumbi]

The general consensus is that we was good/servicible/important, which I agree with. On the surface, 16 possessions, 8 marks, 2 Goals at 50% efficiency is a poor game by his standards. But statistics don't tell the true story. His first major was an important Captain's Goal to get us back into the game. If it wasn't for a lunging Maxwell, he could have kicked a pivotal goal in a Saints Victory. His 8th mark was a huge contest on the wing when the scores were 68-67, which ultimately led to Lenny's behind. If he didn't take that mark, Collingwood had the numbers and could have killed the game off with a rebounding attack. Statistics don't completely represent his impact.

 

[Sloth]

Nathan Brown outmarked him a couple of times, reminded me of Clement on Hird

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

I thought Brown was good, and would think will keep Presti out of the side

I don't know whether he beat Riewoldt or not. About even I'd say. Roo took some nice marks and kicked goals at vital times. Brown outmarked him a couple of times though always the nudge from behind I noticed. Not like he won his way to the front

From only 35 inside 50s, not sure what else Roo could do

 

[roosaints]

Saying that he was beaten is pretty farcial as he was involved in the game throughout, and in the last was very influential.

He also clearly did not star.

I suspect that is the point though.

Roo tried his guts out and did some great team lifting things. But he's the best player in the comp IMO and he wasn't in the top 8 on the ground. Collingwood would have been very happy with that result.

But they might not be so excited about Roo getting a second crack at them.

 

[Falchoon]

Nathan Brown outmarked him a couple of times, reminded me of Clement on Hird

yep, Riewoldt was playing in front and the kick went over the back.

 

[Long Live the King]

Roo did his job and kept presenting all day.

As an impartial supporter I get the feeling that guys like Swan / Didak / Pendlebury wont have another off day next week. I think theres more upside for the Pies. They kick straight early and they win.

 

[sgbn77]

I would have thought it'd be fair to say he was instrumental in bringing the Saints back to a respectable margin at the end of the first quarter, and then he was pretty big in the second half.

However, he was played quite well by Brown.

I think I'd be nervous playing him next week.

 

[Hodgepodge]

yep, Riewoldt was playing in front and the kick went over the back.

Brown worked him under the ball nicely. Not only did he stop him, he even took a contested mark on him on a few occassions.

Brown beat him.

 

[Falchoon]

he even took a contested mark on him on a few occassions.

OMG, really?

 

[The Punter]

I'd make a few comments.

Gardiner being injured, as well as McEvoy not being in the side, made Riewoldt's job much tougher. There's a reason Kosi has been persisted with. Riewoldt has a tough job when he's the only marking target. Things opened up a little bit when Gilbert went forward.

About Riewoldt's goalkicking - it's always been a part of his game where he has required continuity.

2001 - 2.2 (hardly played forward)
2002 - 21.18 (played primarily at CHB until late in the season)
2003 - 30.17
2004 - 67.32
2005 - 33.36 (missed eight games due to collarbone and shoulder injuries)
2006 - 60.35
2007 - 42.26
2008 - 65.39
2009 - 78.47
2010 - 39.33 (missed eleven games due to hamstring injury)

The fact is he needs game after game to get his goalkicking going, for whatever reason.

The other point is that he was clearly more influential than last year, but considering his fitness and the match conditions, maybe Nathan Brown's performance was the equal of Harry Taylor's last year.

St Kilda have to do a better job of spreading the front six, and also putting the ball where it is at Riewoldt's advantage.

 

[Falchoon]

meh!

 

[Hodgepodge]

OMG, really?

You expect defenders to simply punch the ball away in that situation, but Brown humiliated Riewoldt by simply out marking him.

 

[Hump 17]

You expect defenders to simply punch the ball away in that situation, but Brown humiliated Riewoldt by simply out marking him.

I reckon Gilham could have almost outmarked Riewoldt on both those occasions. Ball was kicked to Browns advantage and there was little Riewoldt could do.

 

[Pumbi]

You expect defenders to simply punch the ball away in that situation, but Brown humiliated Riewoldt by simply out marking him.

Why would Riewoldt be humiliated by losing a marking contest? He won about five or six himself (A few of these he had no right to mark), so I don't think he should be embarrased by a couple of instances where Brown worked him under the ball. A combination of poor kicking/leading and smart defending. Happens to every forward, every game.

 

[winty]

meh!

Nice table. Doesn't mean anything, but it looks nice.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Why would Riewoldt be humiliated by losing a marking contest? He won about five or six himself (A few of these he had no right to mark), so I don't think he should be embarrased by a couple of instances where Brown worked him under the ball. A combination of poor kicking/leading and smart defending. Happens to every forward, every game.

The better forwards rarely get outmarked. Maybe by someone like Brian Lake, but you'd expect Riewoldt to at least provide a contest against Nathan Brown.

The biggest disappointment for me was when Riewoldt took a dive in the 3rd quarter, just out of nowhere. I was at the Punt Rd End and got a good look at it. The response around me was laughter by some, and rage by others.

 

[Hump 17]

Why would Riewoldt be humiliated by losing a marking contest? He won about five or six himself (A few of these he had no right to mark), so I don't think he should be embarrased by a couple of instances where Brown worked him under the ball. A combination of poor kicking/leading and smart defending. Happens to every forward, every game.

HodgePodge is used to watching defenders such as Gilham Murphy and Stratton. Any contested mark they take the forward should be humiliated and hang there heads in shame.

 

[Hodgepodge]

HodgePodge is used to watching defenders such as Gilham Murphy and Stratton. Any contested mark they take the forward should be humiliated and hang there heads in shame.

Why try and turn this into a mud-throwing contest?

The fact is that you need to at least provide a contest when you're a forward. Riewoldt was beaten too easily by Brown on the day, and this was manifest in the contested marks Brown took on Riewoldt.