List Mgmt. Rioli to Port Discussion

[HoneyBadger35]

Forgive the intrusion everyone, I come in peace.

 

[Mop]

Can't say that I am impressed with Port's modus operanti - what a bunch of pr**ks - no wonder everyone hates them.

Wonder whether us or the Richmond board is dirtier with Port Scabelaide right now?

To be fair - it doesn't paint Jack Graham in a good light either. Don't bloody lie to your club, son. "Future captain". Pfft

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Agree with your post overall, but I feel like he’s copping it unfairly a bit on this point. He’s not bashing up taxi drivers, sexually abusing women at nightclubs or getting pissed and totalling his car.

He clearly thinks smoking weed is less of a big deal than it is, which is a problem, but tbh as long as he’s not tampering with tests or getting caught with it at airports, I doubt anyone in the country really gives a s**t about it.

Other than the weed habit, he’s clearly a good natured person, and if he had some semblance of capability with the media, he would be an asset to a club from an off-field perspective. He’s constantly bigging-up fellow indigenous players on his social media and promoting highlights of indigenous kids playing NTFL etc.

I think he/his management have gone about this the wrong way, and very happy to trade him given everything, but would prefer to remember him fondly rather than some pariah.

We need to adopt a similar position as the NBA.

The ol herb does not count as an illicit substance.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

It sucks for West Coast and I'm a huge Rioli fan as a player.

He helped us get a flag and it would have been nice if he'd managed his exit a little better, but I wish him nothing but the best.

Hopefully finds his best form again and peace of mind. Port are the only party I am upset with, they have a shocking habit of trying to pick our pockets. shrugs

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

How do Port think they have the draft capital to get all these deals they are pursuing done? The Graham thing is bad news in a way for us, or a bad omen. Port have limited draft capital. They don't have a big number of or seriously big name players going that will bring in anything they can ontrade to get all these players they are chasing. I can see a scenario where they trade away their second rounder and Amon compo on some other trade and then say to us "Sorry guys, we don't have any mid 20's picks to offer you and none of our players want a trade to you, but here is a pick in the mid 40's we saved just for you and thats all we have to give so you will just have to take it". That is one way of trying to get a cheaper price - get the player to commit to you but then stall doing the deal and in the meantime engineer a situation where you have nothing except something that is way unders left to offer the seller and hope they just stomp their feet but capitulate and take it at the last minute.

It does seem to be really clear that Port are trying to stiff us on the Rioli deal. I think Nesbitt's "B grader" comments were directed at Port because thats what Port are trying to offer us, i.e. a package up the fringies deal. I don't think he was publicly calling or implying our recent recruits have been B graders, as some posters on here took it, even if they really are B graders. If they were prepared to offer us the Amon compo then the deal would probably be as good as done by now. They are obviously not willing to offer it at this stage. You also have to wonder if their public comments about Rioli being not in AFL shape suggests this is something they are trying to use to beat down his trade price behind closed doors, i.e. he is fat and out of shape so you should take less for him. The club needs to get really clear in it's own mind what it's position is where the line of what we will accept is now and get comfortable with being preapred to follow through with it, rather than have muddled thinking, and clearly communicate to both Port and Rioli's manager that it will be PSD if our expectations are not met. Then Rioli and his manager might start putting the pressure on Port too. The last thing we want is for Port to convince themselves that we will take whatever is put on the table by them by the end of trade week, which i think is what Port are thinking at the moment.

 

[Rowan18]

How do Port think they have the draft capital to get all these deals they are pursuing done? The Graham thing is bad news in a way for us, or a bad omen. Port have limited draft capital. They don't have a big number of or seriously big name players going that will bring in anything they can ontrade to get all these players they are chasing. I can see a scenario where they trade away their second rounder and Amon compo on some other trade and then say to us "Sorry guys, we don't have any mid 20's picks to offer you and none of our players want a trade to you, but here is a pick in the mid 40's we saved just for you and thats all we have to give so you will just have to take it". That is one way of trying to get a cheaper price - get the player to commit to you but then stall doing the deal and in the meantime engineer a situation where you have nothing except something that is way unders left to offer the seller and hope they just stomp their feet but capitulate and take it at the last minute.

It does seem to be really clear that Port are trying to stiff us on the Rioli deal. I think Nesbitt's "B grader" comments were directed at Port because thats what Port are trying to offer us, i.e. a package up the fringies deal. I don't think he was publicly calling or implying our recent recruits have been B graders, as some posters on here took it, even if they really are B graders. If they were prepared to offer us the Amon compo then the deal would probably be as good as done by now. They are obviously not willing to offer it at this stage. You also have to wonder if their public comments about Rioli being not in AFL shape suggests this is something they are trying to use to beat down his trade price behind closed doors, i.e. he is fat and out of shape so you should take less for him. The club needs to get really clear in it's own mind what it's position is where the line of what we will accept is now and get comfortable with being preapred to follow through with it, rather than have muddled thinking, and clearly communicate to both Port and Rioli's manager that it will be PSD if our expectations are not met. Then Rioli and his manager might start putting the pressure on Port too. The last thing we want is for Port to convince themselves that we will take whatever is put on the table by them by the end of trade week, which i think is what Port are thinking at the moment.

I would be abundantly clear: give us a pick we will use or we will send him to the PSD. Sure, we get nothing, but you probably don't get him either. Hell, we might even redraft him ourselves.

 

[Free Agent]

Nothing has changed though on our stance with Rioli. Don't really care who Port bring in. It's 2nd rnd pick or Rioli goes to PSD. Nothing changes. If Port don't have picks well that's on them. Pick 40 is nothing to us and wouldn't be used. An insult and a huge no. Rioli might aswell start interviewing with North, Essendon, Adelaide Crows right now. They will pick him up straight away in the PSD.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

It is also a bit rich of Port to say that Rioli will become an AFL grade player once their S&C staff get hold of him. If he is not an AFL grade player at the moment then why are you offering him a 4 year deal on 500k a year or whatever it is? They are definately trying to talk down his value.

 

[JackOutback]

Port can offer a F2 for Rioli and I’d take it.

 

[JDWCE]

Port can offer a F2 for Rioli and I’d take it.

Especially with how strong next years draft is. Would prefer this over the Amon compo

 

[UseR2006]

Amon Deal reportedly being done right now. Should know the Compo pick Port gets today.

 

[kane249]

Amon Deal reportedly being done right now. Should know the Compo pick Port gets today.

Will be moot if they end up getting Jack Graham as a free agent

 

[Keys]

Will be moot if they end up getting Jack Graham as a free agent

Graham is contracted. Not a free agent

 

[CountryLad]

What about a 3 way trade between GWS and Port.

GWS get pick 2 & 8
Give. Pick 12 & 18 Future 3rd
(Pick 12 on traded from Tigers, 18 from the cats)

Port get. Rioli, 12, 26
Give. Pick 8 future 3rd

Eagles get pick 3 & 18 & 2 future 3rds
Give. Rioli & 2 & 26

Think those future 3rds could be handy to trade up next year. We get another pick in the first round.

Port get Rioli stay in the first round get there old pick back.

GWS move to pick 2 and get pick 8

 

[UseR2006]

"Port will receive a second-round draft selection – currently pick No.27 – as compensation."

 

[Monocle]

Port now have pick 27.

So they either give us that for Junior OR 2023 2nd.

 

[Spod]

What about a 3 way trade between GWS and Port.

GWS get pick 2 & 8
Give. Pick 12 & 18 Future 3rd
(Pick 12 on traded from Tigers, 18 from the cats)

Port get. Rioli, 12, 26
Give. Pick 8 future 3rd

Eagles get pick 3 & 18 & 2 future 3rds
Give. Rioli & 2 & 26

Think those future 3rds could be handy to trade up next year. We get another pick in the first round.

Port get Rioli stay in the first round get there old pick back.

GWS move to pick 2 and get pick 8

I would think 2 and 8 are worth a lot more than 12, 18 and a 3rd rounder? Moving from 26 to 18 isn't worth that much, from the sounds of things everything outside the top 10 is pretty uncertain - the player we would take at 18 could easily still be available at 26.

 

[Monocle]

I would think 2 and 8 are worth a lot more than 12, 18 and a 3rd rounder? Moving from 26 to 18 isn't worth that much, from the sounds of things everything outside the top 10 is pretty uncertain - the player we would take at 18 could easily still be available at 26.

I think that 9- 16 is a sweet spot in this draft.

Hard to see how we manage it, but I would love us to secure a pick in that range.

 

[CountryLad]

I would think 2 and 8 are worth a lot more than 12, 18 and a 3rd rounder? Moving from 26 to 18 isn't worth that much, from the sounds of things everything outside the top 10 is pretty uncertain - the player we would take at 18 could easily still be available at 26.

It’s actually a swap for 2&3 future 3rd to sweeten
12&18 for pick 8

It’s never perfect just felt a deal like that everyone is getting a small win somewhere

 

[CountryLad]

I think that 9- 16 is a sweet spot in this draft.

Hard to see how we manage it, but I would love us to secure a pick in that range.

Perfect world Wardlaw hammies are good and we get him. Trade up to around 12-16 and get Hollands. Reckon they would be a great fit together for us.

 

[Monocle]

Perfect world Wardlaw hammies are good and we get him. Trade up to around 12-16 and get Hollands. Reckon they would be a great fit together for us.

He would be a sensational addition to our list.

 

[Spod]

It’s actually a swap for 2&3 future 3rd to sweeten
12&18 for pick 8

It’s never perfect just felt a deal like that everyone is getting a small win somewhere

Yeah don't mind it in general. I think some of it would come down to how deep the 2023 draft is meant to run. Sounds better than this year but I'm curious on the value of a 2023 3rd rounder versus a 2022 2nd.

 

[CountryLad]

Yeah don't mind it in general. I think some of it would come down to how deep the 2023 draft is meant to run. Sounds better than this year but I'm curious on the value of a 2023 3rd rounder versus a 2022 2nd.

Using them and some 2024 picks to try and grab Suns pick one next year that’s the thought behind the future 3rds

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I’m in the future 2nd for Rioli unless we’re able to package a few of our second rounders for an upgrade

 

[ThePuma #9]

Now that Port are sniffing around Graham as well, watch Port try to screw us over by offering this years second or next years second but expecting a third back in return or even worse just a third rounders for him.

Flat out second rounder for Junior or he can walk into the PSD and good luck to Port expecting him to get past Kangaroos, Bombers & Crows.

 

[Altum Volantes]

It’ll be Amon Compo for Rioli and future 3rd or something similar.

I doubt it’s straight up, that rarely happens.