Rising Star 2020

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Fadge said:
Because the Brownlow is voted on by the umpires, for each game over the course of the season.

Is the Rising Star based on cumulative output? If so, can you please share that published criteria?
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Its whoever has the best first year of eligible rising star players.
There’s no speculation purely the body of work.
Rowell had 3 outstanding games preinjury.
just as he could of won the Brownlow this year he could of started sniffing his own farts and been dropped before the seasons over.
That’s why some rising star winners never become greats of the game and vice versa.
3 game no matter how good is not a big enough body of work it.
Rankine first 3 games In isolation make his year look a lot better then all games combined.
It states that it’s awarded to the best young player for the year not for 3 games
best and fairest are the same.
Fyfe hasn’t won many BnFs but has
got the Highest votes per game ratio in the Brownlow ever!
 
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Isn't there like 5-7 judges or whatever, and they vote on a 5-1.

Pretty much it's up to those judges. Who usually don't watch every game. Most probably only saw one of Rowells games. And it was most likely the one he was injured in after the hype train left the station.

Serong would be a worthy winner, but I doubt he does.
 
Tbonefreo said:
Isn't there like 5-7 judges or whatever, and they vote on a 5-1.

Pretty much it's up to those judges. Who usually don't watch every game. Most probably only saw one of Rowells games. And it was most likely the one he was injured in after the hype train left the station.

Serong would be a worthy winner, but I doubt he does.
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I think Serong will get it, body of work is starting to be very impressive. Down to a 3 horse race for me with Serong, Anderson and King
 

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Looking at it another way, if we rated the best individual games of all players eligible for the Rising Star, I reckon it would be:
1. Matt Rowell - Round 2 v. WCE
2. Matt Rowell - Round 3 v. Adelaide
3. Matt Rowell - Round 4 v. Fremantle

Then a big gap to:
4. Caleb Serong - Round 8 v. Geelong
5. Isaac Rankine - Round 6 v. Melbourne
6. Caleb Serong - Round 9 v. Collingwood
7. Noah Anderson - Round 12 v. Richmond
8. Isaac Rankine - Round 7 v. Sydney
 
Fadge said:
Looking at it another way, if we rated the best individual games of all players eligible for the Rising Star, I reckon it would be:
1. Matt Rowell - Round 2 v. WCE
2. Matt Rowell - Round 3 v. Adelaide
3. Matt Rowell - Round 4 v. Fremantle

Then a big gap to:
4. Caleb Serong - Round 8 v. Geelong
5. Isaac Rankine - Round 6 v. Melbourne
6. Caleb Serong - Round 9 v. Collingwood
7. Noah Anderson - Round 12 v. Richmond
8. Isaac Rankine - Round 7 v. Sydney
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Have you got money on Rowell or something?
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Don't be surprised if Caleb Serong finishes top 3 in this award come season's end.

Flying under the radar a bit, less of a flashy type than your Rowell's and Green's etc but he is the type of player Carlton needed and I was pissed Freo took him.

Still good luck to Freo, they nailed last year's draft big time.
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Great Call Elmer 👍👍👍
 
Fadge said:
Looking at it another way, if we rated the best individual games of all players eligible for the Rising Star, I reckon it would be:
1. Matt Rowell - Round 2 v. WCE
2. Matt Rowell - Round 3 v. Adelaide
3. Matt Rowell - Round 4 v. Fremantle

Then a big gap to:
4. Caleb Serong - Round 8 v. Geelong
5. Isaac Rankine - Round 6 v. Melbourne
6. Caleb Serong - Round 9 v. Collingwood
7. Noah Anderson - Round 12 v. Richmond
8. Isaac Rankine - Round 7 v. Sydney
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At the start of the season, if you were offered three elite games from Rowell or 15 great games from Serong which one would you take? Thats the way I see it.

The award is clearly based on body of work over the season. Just like the AA team which also has no set criteria.
 
Fadge said:
Looking at it another way, if we rated the best individual games of all players eligible for the Rising Star, I reckon it would be:
1. Matt Rowell - Round 2 v. WCE
2. Matt Rowell - Round 3 v. Adelaide
3. Matt Rowell - Round 4 v. Fremantle

Then a big gap to:
4. Caleb Serong - Round 8 v. Geelong
5. Isaac Rankine - Round 6 v. Melbourne
6. Caleb Serong - Round 9 v. Collingwood
7. Noah Anderson - Round 12 v. Richmond
8. Isaac Rankine - Round 7 v. Sydney
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Maybe you could forward your information on to AFL house and they might create a rising star game of the year or most coaches votes in 3 games by a rising star nominee award?
 
barberbarbarian said:
I agree Serong deserves it based on body of work but Rowell's averages are a little misleading given he was taken off 4 minutes into the Geelong game with a dislocated shoulder.

His averages excluding that were 21.2 disposals (12.2 contested, 15.5 effective), 1.5 goals, 6.5 tackles, 4.5 clearances, and 251m gained, to go along with 3 best on grounds and 30 coaches votes.

Kid was leagues above any other first year player.
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I agree he was a stand out and a shoe in to win it before the injury. But he was also in the weakest middlefield unit in the league and could play a lead role game 1. Serong had to wait for injuries to get his chance and is averaging similar numbers once moving to the middle with 1 down game against Carlton.

It would have been interesting to see if Rowell got tired at some stage.
 
Fadge said:
I'm not sure that's a reason to award it to an inferior player.
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We don't know Rowell is superior... He has played 4 games...

Should we just put Dusty, Fyfe, Danger in the AA team every year just because they are the best players in the league even if they only play half a season?
 

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Fadge said:
Yeah right.

You can't sit here right now and be confident Rowell is the best of all eligible players at this point in time?

You're having a laugh...
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Of course, but i can not tell you for certain.

You want to give someone an award based on 3 games... Maintaining form is what is hard, especially for young players. He might have gone on to have a month of bog average footy. We will never know.

Yes he very likely would have won it if fit but he wasn't, shit happens.
 
Fadge said:
No, you can't be 100% certain.

In the legal system, there is the notion of 'the balance of probabilities'.

It works quite well.
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As it is not a projection based award it is pretty irrelevant.

I am taking players who play at a high level over 10+ games

over a player who played at a very high level for 3 games.

As just about every award in world sport would.
 
Pretty sure this same discussion comes up every year (along with other myth/arguments like vicbias and KPP vs midfielder bias). The award is always weighted to weight of performance across the whole year over potential/high-performance in limited game time.
 
KissKiss said:
Pretty sure this same discussion comes up every year (along with other myth/arguments like vicbias and KPP vs midfielder bias). The award is always weighted to weight of performance across the whole year over potential/high-performance in limited game time.
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And in the case of it being hard to split, the first year player generally gets a favour.
 
BJK#5 said:
Pretty sure this same discussion comes up every year (along with other myth/arguments like vicbias and KPP vs midfielder bias). The award is always weighted to weight of performance across the whole year over potential/high-performance in limited game time.
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I'm a big believer in that just because 'it's always happened this way' doesn't mean it's right.

If there is an exception to the rule, it has to be Rowell. Noone has burst onto the scene the way he did in the history of the Rising Star Award.

Has there even been a nominee this year who has received the maximum coaches votes in any given game, let alone three on the trot?!?
 

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