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Why would Riccardi be nominated if he's got no chance of winning the award, when there's another player out there with 'a greater body of work over the course of the season'?!?
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Why would Riccardi be nominated if he's got no chance of winning the award, when there's another player out there with 'a greater body of work over the course of the season'?!?
Iceman!
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Because weekly nomination = weekly award
the total end of season award = body of work
Thought it was pretty obvious
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Riccardi was better, everyone can agree with that.
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It's a really stupid system, firstly that you have to be nominated as the RS for a round during the season to be eligible and secondly the voting system at the end which will obviously reward flavour of the months and players who finished strongly. There's a reason that no club selects its B&F with such a lazy system. Would anyone be against a 5-4-3-2-1 of best performances by eligible players each round to judge the winner?
Whatever people think about the system, it hasn't ever been a great predictor of future superstardom and it's becoming a bit of a poisoned chalice in some of the more tight races, such as Taylor over Bontempelli and Hogan over Cripps. I don't think a winner since Talia in 2012 has made an AA squad, let alone the team and Selwood and Hannebery are the only winners to make the AA team 3+ times since Sam Mitchell in 2003.
The award is in its 28th year and you'd probably have to say the only walk up hall of famers to win it are Buckley, Cousins, Goodes, Riewoldt, Mitchell and Selwood.
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Acknowledge I was taking the Mickey with a few of my comments but this is possibly the most logical post in this thread.
A weekly voting system would provide some transparency over the criteria, and avoid scenarios as described where the flavour of the month gets the chocolates after a strong final couple of rounds.
This would mean that say Rowell was on 17 votes by the time he got injured (2, 5, 5, 5), another player would have to overtake him in order to win the award ahead of him.
Right now, we probably have Serong leading on a vote count in the low 20's, and King and Anderson following in the high teens.
They might be the only three players to have passed him so far, with Rankine and Day to likely exceed his votes by the end of the season.
If the crop aside from Rowell was 'meh', and noone was able to exceed his 17 votes despite playing a full season, then Rowell would be a deserved winner.
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Elmer_Hauser
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Does anyone else think Fadge might be salty when Serong went to town against The Pies a couple of weeks ago, close to BOG in a very good and close win for Freo. 24 disposals, 9 Clearances.
It was that game that actually convinced me Serong will win the Rising Star.
He already has outstanding leadership attributes. Can easily see him being a future captain of Freo.
How can anyone who watch most games of footy and not be impressed by Serong ???
It was that game that actually convinced me Serong will win the Rising Star.
He already has outstanding leadership attributes. Can easily see him being a future captain of Freo.
How can anyone who watch most games of footy and not be impressed by Serong ???
Tell you what, I'll bet as much as you like that Rowell will have a more decorated career than Serong, based on what I've seen from both of them to date.
And that's taking nothing away from Serong, because he is and will be a gun.
Rowell might just be the best player of his generation.
Elmer_Hauser
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Well I can agree with that, but as been said, you cannot win an award over just 4 games or so, even if they were all outstanding.
Also there is nothing to stop Rowell winning the RS next year, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan seems like the only player from this year's draft class that would seem to have the talent and ability to challenge Rowell (assuming the Dogs play him in the seniors mostly instead of the VFL)
No matter the system, there is always inequities. A 40 possession, 5 goal game only gets someone 3 brownlow votes, while another player might get the same from a lot less influence in a tight race. It would be bloody stupid if you could win an award with 4 games though, even with a shortened season.
The Rising star award is fairly new so was created in a time that the AFL don't like transparency. Why would they explain the criteria when they can just do what they want behind closed doors to suit their changing agenda?
Elmer_Hauser
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Jake Riccardi has this week's nomination in the bag you would think. Very good pickup by the Giants. A real bargain.
This award has been a joke ever since Cyril finished runner up to a player in his third year and subsequently got delisted at the age of 26. He was so average I genuinely can’t remember his name..
Nowadays they just alternate between GC and GWS players who still have a monopoly on the best young talent in the country. Like I said joke award..
Nowadays they just alternate between GC and GWS players who still have a monopoly on the best young talent in the country. Like I said joke award..
And yet, amazingly, we’ve never won one.
Oh, we’ve had a few nominations along the way, every club does - but not one single win.
Weird when the facts don’t back up a stupid narrative.
Better luck next time.
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Couldn't be more wrong if you tried
14 different teams have won the last 17 rising star awards
Melbourne, Brisbane, Essendon the teams with multiple winners
Suns have won once - he now plays for the Hawks
GWS never won
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Serong with 17 kicks(Most on) and 5 tackles.
his disposal efficiency was down but understandable against the big body pressure game from the reigning premiers.
his disposal efficiency was down but understandable against the big body pressure game from the reigning premiers.
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Thought he was super.
Here is a left field (bias) take. In the unlikely event that Riccardi strings together 4 more games like his first 2, does he come into calculations.
If a KPF had 6 dominant games in their first 6 games it would be some effort.
Lots of "if's" in this, I know
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True. And it shows the massive flaw with the award. The most consistently great player may miss out because individuals have brilliant one-off or 2-off games.
Particularly in a shortened season.
Iceman!
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Mm not for me, he could be doing it because he is a star on the rise or it could be a bot streak. Ultra impressive start for him but I don’t think he should be a chance.
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He has to do a hell of a lot more to be considered.
If he has 4 more like his first 2 (which of course is a huge if!) It would be a pretty good body of work.
It probably won't happen and it won't matter, but it would be an interesting discussion.
Browny had him playing like Carey (love hyperbole) after 2 games
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I think you need to be visible in at least 10 games in a 17 game season.
Riccardi has looked awesome so far.
There's not really any perfect system though. Matthews, Carey and Ablett Snr never won a Brownlow between them and they would all be in most peoples top 5 or 10 best players ever.
The caution is to extrapolate a few games into a seasons performance.
Would you think less of a player with a superb Rd1-4 and an average rd 5-22? Overall they've contributed more than just a superb 4 game run but we'd probably rank them lower.
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definitely true.
If you reverse it, average until he last 4 or 5 rounds, that is also rated higher than having the good games up front. Shouldnt be, but it is.
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Riccardi a genuine chance now. Put the Giants on his back and dragged them across the line in the last Q. He could do horrible things to the crows this week and be close to the outright fave
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