Preview Rnd 2 - Carlton v Western Bulldogs - Thursday 24th March 7.20PM @ Marvel Stadium - Team Post #1028

[Chief]

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Game Day - Rnd 2 - Carlton v Western Bulldogs Game Day Discussion

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[luke livingston seagull]

Williamson can have LOB's spot. Better kick for mine and infinitely harder.

Not sure about the hardness point. Think LOB is getting better in the contest the more he plays, and while Willo doesn’t mind some push and shove, he has pulled out of contests / ducked his head on a few occasions now.

 

[Coops93]

I thought Charlie was bog ordinary last night, no urgency just in a light jog most of the night. He has to step it up a bit to stay in the team imo


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I'd give him 3 weeks before criticising. After years out of footy he needs a few games to get his touch back.

I'd be shocked if he walked back into the team after that break and his hands and timing were spot on. It'll take him a little while to get that back.

 

[El Topo]

Charlie will have a hard time keeping Kemp out of the side once the VFL starts - good chance next week to pick up where he left off

 

[Blugazi]

Charlie will have a hard time keeping Kemp out of the side once the VFL starts - good chance next week to pick up where he left off

Agreed. I think Charlie and McKay both play better as full forwards. Kemp at CHF might compliment McKay better.

 

[chunkylover53]

I thought Charlie was bog ordinary last night, no urgency just in a light jog most of the night. He has to step it up a bit to stay in the team imo


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He looks like a traumatized puppy. It's not from laziness it's from a lack of assertiveness and confidence from not playing.

He'll be fine, just need to keep playing him.

 

[ctwenty1]

Bevo to have another post match melt down

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I'd give him 3 weeks before criticising. After years out of footy he needs a few games to get his touch back.

I'd be shocked if he walked back into the team after that break and his hands and timing were spot on. It'll take him a little while to get that back.

Not disagreeing however urgency and getting out of a light jog isn’t about knowing where to run or having a sixth sense of what your teammates will do which is what continuity of football does.
Looked lazy to me


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[SammaGilberto]

If we could smash this team with Crippa at 50% and Walsh, for 3qtrs last year, I'm expecting a big win. After last night anythings possible, I'm tipping the midfield to run riot again but hopefully H/Charlie get involved this time.

 

[Coops93]

Not disagreeing however urgency and getting out of a light jog isn’t about knowing where to run or having a sixth sense of what your teammates will do which is what continuity of football does.
Looked lazy to me


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If he's doing the same thing in rd 4 I'll be concerned, however at the moment I'll give him 2 or 3 games to get confidence in attacking the footy again.

I wouldn't call it lazy just yet, more hesitant. He's basically playing his first season all over again and needs to find out what he can and cannot do with his body now. Give him a few games and some more confidence that his knee won't break again at the first sign of contact and I think he'll start attacking the footy more.

Perhaps I'm being soft on him but I think given how long he's been out and the repeat injuries to knee and I can see why he needs to build up the confidence game on game. Like I say, give him til round 4, if he's still doing it then then I'll agree and say I'm concerned. Until then, I'll treat him like a baby giraffe learning to walk that's also had several injuries.

 

[BigFrizz36]

If he's doing the same thing in rd 4 I'll be concerned, however at the moment I'll give him 2 or 3 games to get confidence in attacking the footy again.

I wouldn't call it lazy just yet, more hesitant. He's basically playing his first season all over again and needs to find out what he can and cannot do with his body now. Give him a few games and some more confidence that his knee won't break again at the first sign of contact and I think he'll start attacking the footy more.

Perhaps I'm being soft on him but I think given how long he's been out and the repeat injuries to knee and I can see why he needs to build up the confidence game on game. Like I say, give him til round 4, if he's still doing it then then I'll agree and say I'm concerned. Until then, I'll treat him like a baby giraffe learning to walk that's also had several injuries.

Like the avatar update.

Also like the thought process. Charlie just needs to clunk a big grab or kick a big goal and the rest will follow. Must continue in the ones. Dividends will follow.

 

[Revenant1965]

If there was 1 change, could see Owies out and Motlop in. It will happen sometime this year...

 

[F_therest]

Actually pretty confident about this given our new midfield fire-power but also the Dogs KPPs are terrible...we really have the edge there.

Naughton, Keath and English are good but that's it.

We can really expose guys like Schache, Cordy and Gardner who are VFL standard.

 

[jimsta10]

Charlie will play well against the Doggies

 

[jj1978]

Even though Walsh won't be playing I still predict Walsh will play better than Smith.

 

[gbatman]

Bulldogs are a better side than Richmond and this will be a challenge.

- We have a strong midfield that has skills but is really physical and hard at the contest. We beat Richmond up and belted them around the ball. This is something that Melbourne have done to the Bulldogs so they will be worried here.

- Our forward line is a sleeping giant. McKay and Curnow did not fire last week and we still beat Richmond. When the time comes and they do we are going to be hard to stop. I think we will keep the pressure on their defenders and stretch them in the air with McKay, Curnow, DeKoning/Pittonet and Silvagni down there.

- Our defence could be an issue for them. Richmond kept our three talls busy with their three talls. What happens if McGovern or Weitering get a bit lose and drop off in a high pressure game? Intercepting could be crucial to the game.

- A good win but plenty of improvement. Goal kicking accuracy nearly let us down, if we were straighter we would have won by more and not had to work so hard. A bit of a clean up in skills really lifts this team a long way. There were a few spilt marks and fumbles that we can be sure will iron out with game time. Some players were quite. McKay, Curnow, Owies, DeKoning, Silvagni and O'Brien were nearly there last week. An extra hold here, a straight kick there and their game turns around.

- Who could come in. The VFL hitout was a belting and all who played were good. Walsh is looming as the big in but it's not likely to be this week. Dow was great in the middle but a spot doesn't look likely. Motlop was really good up forward and looms more likely each week and Philp and Cottrell also kicked goals. Kemp and Carrol are huge talents looming large but their time isn't now. I think Motlop is a chance but honestly think there will be no change to the side.

- The Bulldogs were good last week in center clearances and so were we. We need to be able to out run them and beat them out of the middle which we can do. They have some big ball winners and so do we so a good contest is on the cards. Their forward line could be a little weak, we might be able to beat them for height. If Norton is quiet then we are a big big chance at keeping them to a low score.

- I think our height, if it fires will worry them. I think our willingness to bash and crash and tackle could really wear them down. Dogs will be in big trouble if our talls at both end fire.

 

[Beyond Blue]

I think barring injury (Voss seemed to indicate in his presser that nothing is likely to impact selection next week) we go in unchanged as the only walk up starter out at the moment IMO is Walsh and he is unlikely. I don’t know how likes of Carroll, Dow and Kemp went in the 2s but for mine they should be made to work harder with consistently good performances in the 2s over an extended period of time before they get a chance. Similarly Motlop who I’d like to think will push out Owies from the league later in the year. Of the guys who failed to fire last night I think the likes of Owies, LOB and Charlie are only going to improve by spending more time in the 1s because they need to adjust to the pace and won’t get that playing 2s, albeit they’ll find themselves under pressure to hold their spot as players come back from injury and/or show strong form in the 2s.

It’ll be a great test for our midfield, especially without Walsh, to go up against one of the best midfields in the game because as good as we were last night, the Doggies are a big step up from Richmond (without Prestia after quarter time) in that department. They get so much run from their midfielders and they hit the scoreboard so I’ll be looking particularly closely at Cripps, Kennedy, LOB, Fisher, and Setters to see if they can work back to stop their forward advances. If we can win the midfield we will have a very good chance to beat them because I think Harry and TDK can reek havoc against their undersized backline. Also without Bruce a lot of time can be put into Naughton to limit their scoring.

 

[skadoosh]

We beat Melbourne, Melbourne beat the Bulldogs, so pretty sure we also beat the Bulldogs.

But seriously, I think we go with no changes. Possibly Kemp as the sub. Walsh to come back in Round 3.

 

[Coops93]

Like the avatar update.

Also like the thought process. Charlie just needs to clunk a big grab or kick a big goal and the rest will follow. Must continue in the ones. Dividends will follow.

Thanks, seeing the moment live really hit me. Might play with the cropping later but it's a big moment for sure.

Agreed. It really seems like it could be one big moment that completely changes him. If he takes one speccy or pack mark where he charges in fearlessly taking the mark and gets unscathed it could be like a light bulb moment.

 

[ferrisb]

A monumental win, but not a lot of goals came from forward craft and/or great entries.

My favourite was Saad's all-time shank late in the last that fell straight into Cripps' lap!

 

[Kramer1]

My favourite was Saad's all-time shank late in the last that fell straight into Cripps' lap!

Like my favourite saying when one of my frequent golf shanks somehow ends up a foot from the cup...there isn't room to draw pictures on the scorecard!

 

[Crippa#9]

Dow for Setterfield.

I get that Dow is not a typical winger but he ain't exactly replacing one...

Dow, who was terrific yesterday in the VFL, at least brings another midfield rotation that I think will be of benefit against one of the competition's best.

 

[ferrisb]

The sides have traded wins over the last 5 games, as follows:

2021 Round 8 Bulldogs 107 d Blues 91
2020 Round 6 Blues 103 d Bulldogs 51
2019 Round 13 Bulldogs 103 d Blues 100
2019 Round 5 Blues 101 d Bulldogs 57
2018 Round 22 Bulldogs 66 d Blues 49​

Given how bad we have been in recent years, I feel like we have matched up to the Bulldogs quite well.

I decided to do some digging to see if this was true.

Here is how other teams have performed against Carlton since we started the rebuild (2016-)

• We only have a winning record against two teams; * and Freo
• We don't have a winning % against any team since 2016 (the % listed are the teams' vs us)
• Western Bulldogs has the 8th W-L best record against us over this period
• Despite winning 6/8 matches against us, WBD only have a 102.8% against us, suggesting our losses have been very close

TL-DR; Numbers prove we have matched up VERY well against WBD in recent years (especially relative to how shizen we have been against most teams)

 

[ferrisb]

This table also works as a Kill Bill hit list. We should be looking to knock off our conquerors one by one (RICH, WCE, GWS, PORT, MEL etc). Good start last night!!! Btw, I deliberately left Rich as 8-0 to highlight the significance of last night's win.

Also, we have VERY ordinary records against Nth & Stk, despite those teams finishing on avg 13th and 11th on the ladder over the last six years. These teams are arguably more 'hoodoo' than Rich/WCE/GWS types which you can understand us losing to because they have generally been much better.

TL-DR; 2022 is the year we start dishing out some payback a number of other AFL teams!!!

 

[ferrisb]

Also, I would like to point out that Carlton is unbeaten with Voss as coach

 

[Stamos]

Dow for Setterfield.

I get that Dow is not a typical winger but he ain't exactly replacing one...

Dow, who was terrific yesterday in the VFL, at least brings another midfield rotation that I think will be of benefit against one of the competition's best.

Setterfield isn't getting dropped from last night's performance, especially not for a player who is not a wingman.