List Mgmt. Round 1, 2015 Full strength team

[dlanod]

Don't know if it really a Merrett hating clique or just people waking up to what we need to take us forward, remember Merrrett is the wrong side of 30.

The wrong side = under? (He's 29).

If he could learn how to kick properly at goal there would be a spot but he hasn't so far in all the time he's had up forward, so not going to change now.

He used to be able to (second in our goal kicking only two years ago). Needs to return to that.

 

[matwt73]

On Merret-
He is still part of our best 22, (and will still be at the start of next year) but even he knows he is limited skills wise. If you look at his facebook page he refers to having made a career out of punching the ball in a game designed for it to be kicked. He was a late starter at footy and has made the absolute most of his gifts, including his size, strength, smarts and aggression.

His best position is still as a defender but in a side that has no mature key forwards, but a plethora of young, sharp small forwards a big body who presents, and breaks up the contest, and who draws defenders is invaluable. He does miss goals he should kick but (like browny) he has value beyond just his goals.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Don't know if it really a Merrett hating clique or just people waking up to what we need to take us forward, remember Merrrett is the wrong side of 30.

Reasons for Merrett to go:

1. Martin is now our #1 ruck and its a position he excels in as seen over the last 8 weeks as his clearance work is top class to add to being a solid ruckman. If he'd been in the side since round 1 he'd be AA this year.
2. With Martin as starting ruckman it means Leuey needs to find another spot or be traded. He has shown his marking skills before and is a 10x better kick than Merrett. So move Leuey to FF and that gives use 3 marking options with McStay & Close.
3. Defence, do we need Merrett back there? his brain snaps cost us at least 1 goal a game guaranteed. Clarke has come along really well this year and Goose is in good form as well. Get Staker back fit then we have the question of what to do with him as well. All three will be 30 at the start of next season, there are only two positions at best to go around amongst the three of them, so you have to leave out one. Merrett is the worst disposal of the 3, form fluctuates the most of the 3 and most likely to do something stupid costing us a goal of the 3.

If he could learn how to kick properly at goal there would be a spot but he hasn't so far in all the time he's had up forward, so not going to change now.

It's a case of short memory for mine.

Until Goose gets injured again. Goose hasn't been perfect for that matter either. Has coughed up a few himself.

I still have Merrett best 22 as fullback. He wasn't in good form earlier in the year, but there were plenty in that boat.

Like many, I don't have a huge amount of time for him as a forward and for a lack of a better option he's been the man. If they want to give McStay a real go at FF then fine. If they want to have Leuey up forward fine.

But let's not pretend that either are THE answer. Both are as or more unproven in those roles as Merrett.

 

[SizeMatters]

Merrett is getting on and it's obvious he's on the downside if things. He is 30 this year iirc and has sustained some pretty bad injuries. Maybe it's caught up to him.

This draft we may end up with Durdin or Lever who are a needs IMO. Take out Goose and Merrett and we have no other true KPD with the exception of Clarke. Both Lever and Durdin are the modern prototype CHB with reports coming in that Lever is now sitting near 196cm
And still growing. They both have elite speed and reach for their heights. Let's hope we draft one and they make it best 22 by the end of 2015

 

[a mayes ing]

Merrett is getting on and it's obvious he's on the downside if things. He is 30 this year iirc and has sustained some pretty bad injuries. Maybe it's caught up to him.

This draft we may end up with Durdin or Lever who are a needs IMO. Take out Goose and Merrett and we have no other true KPD with the exception of Clarke. Both Lever and Durdin are the modern prototype CHB with reports coming in that Lever is now sitting near 196cm
And still growing. They both have elite speed and reach for their heights. Let's hope we draft one and they make it best 22 by the end of 2015

Not sure why, but i don't rate during or lever. I would prefer Bradshaw or wright (if we get him)

 

[SizeMatters]

I wouldn't want to draft Bradshaw. I doubt he'd even nominate with all his injuries he's carrying. He must be getting on a bit?

 

[carnthemlions]

Merrett is getting on and it's obvious he's on the downside if things. He is 30 this year iirc and has sustained some pretty bad injuries. Maybe it's caught up to him.

This draft we may end up with Durdin or Lever who are a needs IMO. Take out Goose and Merrett and we have no other true KPD with the exception of Clarke. Both Lever and Durdin are the modern prototype CHB with reports coming in that Lever is now sitting near 196cm
And still growing. They both have elite speed and reach for their heights. Let's hope we draft one and they make it best 22 by the end of 2015

I don't think drafting a key defender with a top 4 pick is a great idea unless you're GWS.

 

[lukiuslion]

As frustrating as Dan is, he is vitally important. The reason Close and McStay get their opportunities and Freedom whilst devaloping is due to what he does structurally down there. What happens when the opposition coaching staff only have Close to focus on during planning meetings? I think he is coming off an injury and he may be slowing down little bit, but his size and type are worth a million bucks and they are rare.

I would assume Leppa would value having a piece like him in the mix, regardless of 'hard and fast' form when planning his set up each week.

What we have is a guy who has never had a high footy IQ, who is still learning a new position, coming off a serious leg injury, playing in a team full of kids, under a new coach and game plan.. who is struggling for for

It is defently a baby, bath water type of thing.

He is the perfect whipping boy, I myself have done it for years, but I value him and his presence in the current line up and would not like it if he was dropped or traded come 2015.

 

[Alef]

In the absence of picking up a gun forward over the summer, I wouldn't mind seeing Leuy stationed at FF. Happy to keep Martin in the ruck on current form.

Note the change of captain. I wouldn't be surprised to see both McStay and Cutler as regulars next year, may not be too long before they start pushing Adcock for his spot.

B- Gardiner Clarke Patfull
HB – Hanley Maguire Adcock
C – Mayes Rich Paparone
HF – Zorko Merrett Taylor
F – Green Leuenberger Close
R – Martin Rockliff(c) Redden
Inter – Aish Lester Cutler
Sub – Beams
Emerg - McGuane McStay Robertson

UlittleBeauty,

I am a fan of Rockliff stepping up as captain too. He's almost had 100 games experience, hes in his prime and an exceptional leader from what I hear. But could they really just take the captaincy away from Adcock after 1 year? Would that be a bad look on the club? Maybe Rockliff and Adcock as co-captains?

 

[SizeMatters]

I don't think drafting a key defender with a top 4 pick is a great idea unless you're GWS.

What if they are 1. Best available and 2. A need?

 

[SizeMatters]

I don't think drafting a key defender with a top 4 pick is a great idea unless you're GWS.

What if they are 1. Best available and 2. A need?

 

[Caiphus]

Whether a KPP is a forward or a defender is hardly set in stone at 18.

 

[carnthemlions]

What if they are 1. Best available and 2. A need?

If the club rates them as best available, I'm ok with that.
I'm just not big on the idea of taking pure key defenders that early in the draft.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Clarke - Maguire - Gardiner
Adcock - Patfull - Rich
Zorko - Redden - Beams
Paparone - Close - Taylor
Green - Freeman - Merrett
Martin - Rockliff - Hanley

Leuy - Aish - Mayes

Lester

we have some good depth

Robertson, Cutler, Harwood, Crisp, McStay, O'Brien, Golby, Paine, West,

 

[Gibbo_88]

Clarke - Maguire - Gardiner
Adcock - Patfull - Rich
Zorko - Redden - Beams
Paparone - Close - Taylor
Green - Freeman - Merrett
Martin - Rockliff - Hanley

Leuy - Aish - Mayes

Lester

we have some good depth

Robertson, Cutler, Harwood, Crisp, McStay, O'Brien, Golby, Paine, West,

I don't necessarily think that is our best team but we need players like Golby, Harwood and Crisp as our depth to start moving up the ladder.

 

[a mayes ing]

Clarke - Maguire - Gardiner
Adcock - Patfull - Rich
Zorko - Redden - Beams
Paparone - Close - Taylor
Green - Freeman - Merrett
Martin - Rockliff - Hanley

Leuy - Aish - Mayes

Lester

we have some good depth

Robertson, Cutler, Harwood, Crisp, McStay, O'Brien, Golby, Paine, West,

I would fit Cutler in there somewhere, imo, he is going to be something really good

 

[lionshine]

B Adcock Clarke Patfull
HB Rich Maguire Gardiner
C Zorko Redden Aish
HF Taylor Close Mayes
F Paparone Merrett Green
R Martin Rockliff Hanley
I Leuenberger Lester McStay
S Beams

Hopefully Staker and McGuane can remain injury free and push for a spot. Harwood, Golby, Crisp, Cutler, Robertson, O'Brien, and Paine is solid depth.

That midfield is looking strong for next year. Martin and Leuenberger is a great ruck combo and Rockliff, Hanley, Rich, Redden, Zorko, Aish, Mayes, Lester, Beams, and Taylor all rotating through is a nice midfield unit.

 

[iBeng]

Its going to be tight for spots coming round 1 next year...

We still have guys like Staker and McGuane who might be up for one last season, as well as a few potential first round starting draftees just like this year.

Exciting.

 

[jackess]

B: Adcock Merrett Patfull
HB: Golby Clarke Harwood
C: Rich Rockliff Mayes
HF: Zorko Close Taylor
FF: Green Martin McGuane
Ruck: Leuenberger Hanley Redden
Bench: Lester, Aish, Beams, Gardiner
Emg: Crisp, McStay, O'Brien

Very tough picking the bench and emergencies.

 

[SizeMatters]

Would have Crisp ahead of Beams at present form. Crisp at 191cm running through the midfield burning the Magpies last night was a great sight. Just needs to steady his kicking. Could have had 3 goals last night and was robbed of one.

 

[QLDatHEART]

FB: Patfull Goose Gardiner
HB: Adcock Clarke Rich
C: Hanley Aish Zorko
HF: Mayes Close McStay
FF: Green LBerger Merrett
Fol: Martin Rockcliff Redden
Inter: Beams, Crisp, Paperone
Sub: Golby

 

[John_Proctor]

For me there are three positions in question.

1. With goose and Merritt both over 30 will one of their bodies fail on them leaving one or other to hold down full back. (Noting goose has a stranglehold ATM)

2. Who wil be the small defender? I don't think a team that has consistently allowed smaller forwards to kick bags on us in recent years playing without a lock down small defender is sensible eg, all the trams picking in Adcock and rich as smaller defenders. (and neither Patful or gardiner are that player). Are harwood or golby good enough to do the job? Is cutler quick enough to match up on say Eddie betts?

3. Which of the forwards (out of freeman, close, Merritt, staker, Paine, mcguane and one of Martin/leueie) will have the pre season form to be in for round 1.

Other than that I'm pretty comfortable with the midfield, bench, forward flanks with even someone like crisp emerging the last 4 weeks to give the depth noted in some of the posts above.

 

[TheRoyLuckClub]

FB: Patfull Goose Gardiner
HB: Adcock Clarke Rich
C: Hanley Aish Zorko
HF: Mayes Close McStay
FF: Green LBerger Merrett
Fol: Martin Rockcliff Redden
Inter: Beams, Crisp, Paperone
Sub: Golby

NO TAYLOR!?

 

[QLDatHEART]

NO TAYLOR!?

Bugger you're right. An oversight.

 

[jackess]

For me there are three positions in question.

1. With goose and Merritt both over 30 will one of their bodies fail on them leaving one or other to hold down full back. (Noting goose has a stranglehold ATM)

2. Who wil be the small defender? I don't think a team that has consistently allowed smaller forwards to kick bags on us in recent years playing without a lock down small defender is sensible eg, all the trams picking in Adcock and rich as smaller defenders. (and neither Patful or gardiner are that player). Are harwood or golby good enough to do the job? Is cutler quick enough to match up on say Eddie betts?

3. Which of the forwards (out of freeman, close, Merritt, staker, Paine, mcguane and one of Martin/leueie) will have the pre season form to be in for round 1.

Other than that I'm pretty comfortable with the midfield, bench, forward flanks with even someone like crisp emerging the last 4 weeks to give the depth noted in some of the posts above.

We have Harwood and Golby but this is comething that has disappointed me this season. We haven't been developing any small backs. Instead we've had Lisle, Gardiner and McStay play small. I think Patfull will have to continue to play on the small but not overly quick forwards and Gardiner on the third tall.