Autopsy Round 1, 2018: Hawthorn defeats Collingwood

[StillAtLarge]

Maynard would be advised to never wash that jumper. Touched by greatness...

 

[grumbleguts]

100% should have included that, that’s my bad. Was up at 4:30am doing this after being at the game so I wasn’t processing everything as well haha

Please understand, I am in no way trying to detract from the impeccable quality of your video. Amazing work as usual, it was just by way of suggestion. Love your work. My son and I have had countless hours watching your videos on youtube.

 

[arupist]

1 week for Cox.

Collingwood to appeal to try and upgrade it to 2 weeks,

How on earth does this incident compare with that of Douglas and rate the same 1 week suspension. Cox's hit was deliberate, reckless and he raised his fricken elbow. The more things change the more they stay the same. FFS.

 

[Lotus]

The coaches votes:

HAWTHORN v COLLINGWOOD
10 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
4 Luke Breust (Haw)
4 Jack Gunston (Haw)
4 James Sicily (Haw)
4 Steele Sidebottom (Coll)
4 Ben Stratton (Haw)

It's interesting to find out which player get the combination of which votes:
4: 4-0
4: 0-4
4: 3-1
4: 1-3
4: 2-2

Anyway so happy Tom Mitchell get the perfect 10.

 

[Davo23]

1 week for Cox.

Collingwood to appeal to try and upgrade it to 2 weeks,

Haha, they’ll probably bribe the Tribunal to increase it to 6 weeks!

 

[Breustiful]

Reckon he was looking in board for the pass because that is how we play.

Glad he kicked it though

Perhaps! Regardless, I really hope that the moment boosted his confidence.

 

[Hawthorn23]

Please understand, I am in no way trying to detract from the impeccable quality of your video. Amazing work as usual, it was just by way of suggestion. Love your work. My son and I have had countless hours watching your videos on youtube.

Haha no problem, I feel bad myself when I miss stuff like this. I appreciate the support GG!

 

[Hawk_francais]

I think he has had huge swings in energy levels and mental 'up-ness' the last 12 months. Sometimes when things feel right in his body etc, he can go alright. Many times he struggles.
Having been around not just my Mum but other cancer battlers and survivors, that's very common.
If you want to pass off the game as a one-off you'll be disappointed this year.

Bookmarked. I reckon anybody explaining Jarryd's current performance through the context of his cancer diagnosis is speaking out of school.

It's not information we have, and there are at least three better (and more optimistic) explanations:
- Knee surgery, interrupted pre-season
- New baby, more disruption
- It's ROUND F-ING ONE!

 

[Davo-27]

Great result and performance from the lads. Only 1 player who didnt play at a solid to elite level and that was Duryea. 1 round doesnt make a season but im confident that the skill level and pressure of this team should put us top 6 at least. We'll know more after the fist month of the season. But even in pre-season (JLT) i felt we dominated the dogs and blues without putting scoreboard pressure on them seeing as those games are more for fitness than results is understandable.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

The coaches votes:

HAWTHORN v COLLINGWOOD
10 Tom Mitchell (Haw)
4 Luke Breust (Haw)
4 Jack Gunston (Haw)
4 James Sicily (Haw)
4 Steele Sidebottom (Coll)
4 Ben Stratton (Haw)

It's interesting to find out which player get the combination of which votes:
4: 4-0
4: 0-4
4: 3-1
4: 1-3
4: 2-2

Anyway so happy Tom Mitchell get the perfect 10.

Thought JOM might get a few...

 

[StillAtLarge]

Stratts' form after a decent absence is such a boon. He is just about our most versatile defender and gives others down back a licence to attack.
Our back six looks very strong with everyone fit

 

[kazzooka]

like to see Rough around the centre bounces a bit more when he is struggling down forward whether in the ruck or as an old fashioned ruck rover

I know he doesn't have the tank to do it for long periods but if he is having little impact down forward it gets him a taste of it & I love him around the ball

Even if he just goes in to knock someone over.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

How on earth does this incident compare with that of Douglas and rate the same 1 week suspension. Cox's hit was deliberate, reckless and he raised his fricken elbow. The more things change the more they stay the same. FFS.

The difference is that Howe got straight up and Merrett missed the rest of the game.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Negative:
- Burton injury, to watch it live I keep praying please not knee, please not a fracture, to then watch the slow motion I can feel everyone's concerned.
- 58,101 official attendance, probably Collingwood supporter was around 10-15K.

Positive:
-Cyrill, OMG what a pleasure and joy to watch his action. No wonder He's the magician. So happy He's playing again.

- Breust, that twist and turn and goal yes, more of that please. (I mean the goals)

- Puopollo It's so good to watch Poppy chasing the footy one on one with defender and win it.

- Jack Gunston, after Burton's Injured, He's spending more time in the half back and half forward, those one handed mark and some set up for goals makes him a more rounded player.

- Daniel Howe: I like his game, yes he makes mistakes but who doesn't? To get knocked and get up straight away shows how though he is.

- Stratton and Frawley, It's so good to have an experienced player down there. Both can read the play, everytime Stratton run so fast to spoil or just stop the flow you realize why He's a 3 times premiership. On Frawley, yes he makes mistakes but he realized it and the rectify it.

- Captain Roughy: when he kicked that goal you can feel the love radiated from the players. He's living proof that you can beat adversity. I'm very happy with Roughy lead the boys.

Next game is our replacement games, hope to see more Hawks supporter there.

I will be at the next game

I am a Howe fan too. Not worried about his mistakes at this point.

 

[Thaihawk]

Maynard fined for staging.

Wow. Should be a few fines next week then, if the umpires are game. Their mids will stage for more than a handful of frees.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Bit late to the party as my laptop died but I wanted to share a few thoughts:

Positives:

• Structured well defensively, defending the corridor and having Sicily an extra man for the kick down the line.
• JLT suggested it and Sat night confirmed it - Luke Breust is back! Quality player back in form is priceless for the season(s) ahead.
• Rioli and Stratton are so valuable for all of their little 1%'s, smothers and tap ons that create and stop goals respectively. So good to have them back (and Stratts should get first go at Danger or Ablett if resting forward). Could add Poppy to that who returned last year.
• O'Meara looked good and is building. 27 disposals and has added something back into his game each time he has played.
• Sicily great down back and good to see Gunston and Burgoyne up forward.
• Everyone on here has said we need youngsters to replace Hendo and Whitecross for us to go forward. Agree on Whitey but have always felt that Hendo is being underrated. No star but a valuable player (ala Shiels).
• Tom Mitchell - enough said.

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Areas for development:

• Burton (and Shiels) injury. Burton also very quiet prior to injury.
• Agree with Clarko - we need depth through the middle if we are going to take a step forward. O'Meara is coming along and Impey will add some variety (ala Cyril, Breust et al.) but Tom Mitchell needs support. Better clubs will sit on him and we need a variety of options like the glory years (Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Sewell, etc.). Who will take that step?
• Roughead is in some very poor form. JLT raised some eyebrows and his Round 1 was pretty bad. Dropped marks, missed snaps from 20 m out, poor options when he got the ball and beaten to the ball a lot. Love the big fella and expect he will bounce back soon but we have no good big key forward options when he finishes (and key forwards are the hardest players to get and take the longest to develop).
• Both a positive and a negative but we still don't kick many crafted/traditional/simple goals. What I mean is we kick goals by pressuring the opposition or winning the bunfight (pinball) in our forward line, etc. Not many from players getting hit up on the lead, midfilder dropping into the hole, etc. My only issue with this is that teams better than Collingwood will absorb the pressure/maintain composure better, meaning fewer goals and leaving our backline vulnerable.
• TOB - Started really poorly - going to ground/losing nearly every contest he was part of. Improved a bit as the game wore on but worry how we'll go when we play teams with multiple decent tall forwards (Collingwood definitely not one). Hopefully he develops (like Sicily there) or Brand returns.
• Duryea continues to skate on thin ice. Some real clangers, including one where he had a switch option to Sicily. Changed his mind, went down the line to an outnumbered contest and kicked it out on the full. Not confident to hit the target? Didn't want to kick to Sis? It was strange.

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Reading it back it seems like more issues than positives but was really happy with the performance (and just felt the improvement areas required a bit more explanation). Can't wait to see how the new game plan and mixture of young and old that we didn't see much of goes against a better opponent next week.

 

[Doggies7]

Sorry for the intrusion, I couldn't find a fantasy related thread. Wondering about Dan Howe, is he playing more HBF or Mid? Likely to keep averaging a decent score like on Saturday? Hoping he might end up getting B status if he plays enough down there or could be a decent depth mid. Thanks in advance

 

[WWSD]

Sorry for the intrusion, I couldn't find a fantasy related thread. Wondering about Dan Howe, is he playing more HBF or Mid? Likely to keep averaging a decent score like on Saturday? Hoping he might end up getting B status if he plays enough down there or could be a decent depth mid. Thanks in advance

He is playing mainly as an inside midfielder/tagger and given how he finished off last season in the midfield he’s likely to stay there for quite some time. I don’t think he will ever post big scores but he will average somewhere in the 80’s.

 

[flinchfree]

Bookmarked. I reckon anybody explaining Jarryd's current performance through the context of his cancer diagnosis is speaking out of school.

It's not information we have, and there are at least three better (and more optimistic) explanations:
.....................

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed not just a giant newspaper article on the subject, but plenty of discussion re the topic we've had on this site. Please take the time to read it.


For your perusal:

"
Extracts from HUN article explaining the side-effects he's been dealing with:

Hawthorn captain Jarryd Roughead reveals cancer ...

13/3/18

THE physical toll of Jarryd Roughead’s cancer treatment had a secret impact on his football last year.

The Hawthorn captain on Thursday night revealed he played much of last year with limited feeling in his feet as a result of nerve damage. It also forced him to stop immunotherapy treatment earlier than planned.

Roughead joined some of the world’s leading medical minds at the inaugural Eradicate Cancer conference in Melbourne, as they discussed the possibility immunotherapy may one day make it possible to eliminate cancers.

He credited breakthrough immunotherapy drugs for saving his life.

But the drugs took a huge toll on his health and he had to stop the treatment after just three rounds when his lungs, eyes, liver and finally his feet began shutting down due to critical inflammation.

The loss of nerves in his feet became so bad Roughead had to constantly soak them in water to restore feeling.

“I said to (my doctor) ... ‘If I’m going to get back to playing footy I kind-of need these’,” Roughead said.

“At that point, when there were four different side-effects, he said, ‘You’re pretty full in terms of the drugs, I think’.

By September 2016 the drugs had over-stimulated Roughead’s immune cells and they began turning on his body, resulting in a hepatitis-like disease in his liver.

But the treatment had also affected the cancer and in December 2016 his body was remarkably free of the disease, just seven months after a return of melanoma threatened his life.

When he started pre-season training last year Roughead thought his feet had returned to 90 per cent feeling, but later realised he was having issues.

“I got back and played every game but until the mid-season break some coaches said I was not kicking the ball as well and I did not have the agility I used to have.

“It was probably only the last five or six games last year and this preseason, the coaches are saying I am looking a lot better than at this time last year.

“I would say I was 90-95 per cent to them, but maybe I was only 80-85 per cent.”

Told the nerves grow back 1mm a day, Roughead said his giant frame had done him no favours recovering from the treatment.

But having just become a father — and being told he can look forward to becoming a grandfather — Roughead told the gathering of experts he owes his life to immunotherapy.

“It’s better than any Grand Final I’ve won,” he said.

“Footy is 5 to 10 per cent of my life — this drug has given me 100 per cent.”
"

 

[threesixpio]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed not just a giant newspaper article on the subject, but plenty of discussion re the topic we've had on this site. Please take the time to read it.


For your perusal:

"
Extracts from HUN article explaining the side-effects he's been dealing with:

Hawthorn captain Jarryd Roughead reveals cancer ...

13/3/18

THE physical toll of Jarryd Roughead’s cancer treatment had a secret impact on his football last year.

The Hawthorn captain on Thursday night revealed he played much of last year with limited feeling in his feet as a result of nerve damage. It also forced him to stop immunotherapy treatment earlier than planned.

Roughead joined some of the world’s leading medical minds at the inaugural Eradicate Cancer conference in Melbourne, as they discussed the possibility immunotherapy may one day make it possible to eliminate cancers.

He credited breakthrough immunotherapy drugs for saving his life.

But the drugs took a huge toll on his health and he had to stop the treatment after just three rounds when his lungs, eyes, liver and finally his feet began shutting down due to critical inflammation.

The loss of nerves in his feet became so bad Roughead had to constantly soak them in water to restore feeling.

“I said to (my doctor) ... ‘If I’m going to get back to playing footy I kind-of need these’,” Roughead said.

“At that point, when there were four different side-effects, he said, ‘You’re pretty full in terms of the drugs, I think’.

By September 2016 the drugs had over-stimulated Roughead’s immune cells and they began turning on his body, resulting in a hepatitis-like disease in his liver.

But the treatment had also affected the cancer and in December 2016 his body was remarkably free of the disease, just seven months after a return of melanoma threatened his life.

When he started pre-season training last year Roughead thought his feet had returned to 90 per cent feeling, but later realised he was having issues.

“I got back and played every game but until the mid-season break some coaches said I was not kicking the ball as well and I did not have the agility I used to have.

“It was probably only the last five or six games last year and this preseason, the coaches are saying I am looking a lot better than at this time last year.

“I would say I was 90-95 per cent to them, but maybe I was only 80-85 per cent.”

Told the nerves grow back 1mm a day, Roughead said his giant frame had done him no favours recovering from the treatment.

But having just become a father — and being told he can look forward to becoming a grandfather — Roughead told the gathering of experts he owes his life to immunotherapy.

“It’s better than any Grand Final I’ve won,” he said.

“Footy is 5 to 10 per cent of my life — this drug has given me 100 per cent.”
"

This seems very relevant to last year - it is quite different to suggest that it is affecting him this year. This article suggests quite the contrary

 

[nickrebellious]

Having Sicily and TOB in the backline gives us an 2 instant options for kickouts that are very good at contested marking.

 

[threesixpio]

Having Sicily and TOB in the backline gives us an 2 instant options for kickouts that are very good at contested marking.

I’m wondering whether Gibbo ever spent time with him on effective spoiling. Be nice to see TOB do this when needed

 

[flinchfree]

This seems very relevant to last year - it is quite different to suggest that it is affecting him this year. This article suggests quite the contrary

You're messing with me, right?

 

[Davo-27]

Thought JOM might get a few...

i liked JOM's game, but he looked a bit shaky with possession in the last quarter or so and so didnt deserve any votes imo, not bashing him just my opinion

 

[MrFujiMoto]

3 votes. C Judd

3 Votes C. Judd
3 votes A. Goodes
3 votes G. Ablett
2 votes - some hawk player that racked up 54
1 vote I Omith