Prediction Round 1 2022 Team

[KermitJagger]

All I was eluding to was Hartigan is a gap in our line-up. Either that is agreed or disagreed upon.

Some people think Hartigan is adequate taking us forward it seems. I hope Sam sees that differently.

We had those numbers partly due to personnel, and partly due to our defensive minded gameplan. AC protected the back 6 as much as he could. The by product of that was us being very poor defensively.

Again, Hartigan is a budget option, who needs replacing if we want to be successful.

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I'm not even sure what you're arguing - you're talking about the Clarkson game plan protecting our back 6, despite the fact we conceded the most inside 50s and therefore potential looks at goal in the AFL for most of the year. I'm sure Hartigan felt incredibly protected as the ball streamed in time after time.

As Bris said, your original post was that Hartigan conceded too many goals, when provided proof that he didn't actually concede that many goals you shifted to talking about Hartigan being a budget option with limited shelf life. No one was saying that he wasn't those things, and any argument against him being a poor defender is not also an argument that he's a long term solution for the club in that position.

He's the best we've got in the position now and it doesn't make us a better team to not play him for the sake of it.

 

[Alite]

I'm not even sure what you're arguing because you're talking about the Clarkson game plan protecting our back 6, despite the fact we conceded the most inside 50s and therefore potential looks at goal in the AFL for most of the year. I'm sure Hartigan felt incredibly protected as the ball streamed in time after time.

As Bris said your original post was that Hartigan conceded too many goals, when provided proof that he didn't actually concede that many goals you shifted to talking about Hartigan being a budget option with limited shelf life. No one was saying that he wasn't those things, and any argument against him being a poor defender is not also an argument that he's a long term solution for the club in that position.

He's the best we've got in the position now and it doesn't make us a better team to not play him for the sake of it.

For the most part Hartigan does the job that is needed without being outstanding. What kills me about him are the stupid, near-comical 50m penalties where he ”clumsily” falls into the forwards back and then sits on him. And when the inevitable penalty comes he has that “what did I do wrong look on his face“ … With Brad Scott saying there will be a crackdown on these tactics I fear Hartigan is going to be a 50m player…. in the wrong direction. Let’s hope he is smart enough to see what is coming and changes his method.

 

[Slainte]

What you actually started arguing was that frost should play full back ahead of hartigan because hartigan concedes loads of goals in many games. That is very different to identifying that we need to replace him going forward. He is 32. Everyone agrees he has a limited shelf life. But in season 2022 he is our only mature full back. Unless dgb explodes, hartigan is going to play a lot games in 2022.

A controlled explosion I hope. We don't want him being rubbed out for half the season.

 

[bjlucas]

FB: Hardwick Grainger-Barras Sicily

HB: Jiath Frost Day

C: Bramble O’Meara Howe

HF: Moore Gunston Wingard

FF: Breust Lewis McEvoy

R: Reeves Mitchell Worpel

B: Scrimshaw Impey Brockman Ward

SUB: Nash

 

[KermitJagger]

For the most part Hartigan does the job that is needed without being outstanding. What kills me about him are the stupid, near-comical 50m penalties where he ”clumsily” falls into the forwards back and then sits on him. And when the penalty come he has that “what did I do wrong look on his face”. With Brad Scott saying there will be a crackdown on these tactics I fear he is going to be a 50m player…. in the wrong direction. Let’s hope he is smart enough to see what is coming and change tact.

I'm more worried about Breust than anyone else in the club when it comes to the crackdown on time wasting - he's a serial offender in taking too long to give the ball back, Sam Frost also gave away more 50s than Hartigan this year.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

FB: Hardwick Grainger-Barras Sicily

HB: Jiath Frost Day

C: Bramble O’Meara Howe

HF: Moore Gunston Wingard

FF: Breust Lewis McEvoy

R: Reeves Mitchell Worpel

B: Scrimshaw Impey Brockman Ward

SUB: Nash

No Kosi?

 

[Mercy Seat]

He does. Whilst he may be suited to some bigger forwards, he isn't the same player he was a few years ago in Adelaide.

In a rebuilding team, he provides some protection whilst DGB develops. Last thing we need is a Zac Dawson scenario.

However, we can go back and watch numerous games last year where he was directly responsible for loads of goals.

Dont get me wrong, I like Hartigan, he tries his guts out, and seems like a good cheap option who contributes to good culture. But he isn't going to be FB in a team that plays finals footy.

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For all our deficiencies last year, defence was somewhere we did well. 5th best in the league, one of the hardest to score against and this was with a midfield that for large periods would concede repeat quick entries into the d50.

Hartigan was a big part of what worked.

 

[Hawthorn23]

I feel like the wing position for 2022 is going to be interesting.

Consensus says Bramble and Day look to be the two who are locks, but it makes me feel a bit worried too that we could overexposing both players, especially Day.

Its the reason I think Howe or Phillips definitely play Round 1, as they are both seasoned bodies with runs on the board at that position.

 

[matey]

I like Hartigan he attacks the ball/man hard, protects the youngsters a bit and makes the big meatheads like Hawkins think twice when going for marks …… I’m going to cop it here!

 

[HomerJayS]

No Kosi?

If I was going to replace Kosi at CHF I’d give Jiath a run there.

Although he’s only 185cm he’d out reach/mark just about every defender in the comp and he’d run a defence ragged with his endurance and speed. A nightmare to match-up.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Good to hear Mitch in his recent presser ….. “We drafted five lads and I think they’re all physically ready to play the game”. The round 1 team may look very different by the end of the season!

After watching him on Monday, I’m very skeptical that Ward will need to put the directions to Box Hill into his phone.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

After watching him on Monday, I’m very skeptical that Ward will need to put the directions to Box Hill into his phone.

He'll be good to go from round 1. Gonna hit the ground running.

 

[dermott]

I like Hartigan he attacks the ball/man hard, protects the youngsters a bit and makes the big meatheads like Hawkins think twice when going for marks …… I’m going to cop it here!

i agree. Hartigan plays an important role as an enforcer. He is not a world beater but he protects the young defenders.

 

[threesixpio]

I don't really get the hate for Hartigan

He is not great and has his weaknesses but he is not a bad stopper, as long as he buys in to the fact that he offers nothing outside of that he is an okay role player for the short term.

Totes. People need to be remember out midfield and smashed so many times last year too. Worked bloody hard as a result

 

[threesixpio]

After watching him on Monday, I’m very skeptical that Ward will need to put the directions to Box Hill into his phone.

So he also has an unparalleled innate sense of direction? What can’t this kid do?! Pencil him in for Round One for Hawthorn I say…

ohh..

 

[Yardie]

For the most part Hartigan does the job that is needed without being outstanding. What kills me about him are the stupid, near-comical 50m penalties where he ”clumsily” falls into the forwards back and then sits on him. And when the penalty come he has that “what did I do wrong look on his face“ … With Brad Scott saying there will be a crackdown on these tactics I fear he is going to be a 50m player…. in the wrong direction. Let’s hope he is smart enough to see what is coming and change tact.

This just reminded me of when Jordan would drag the ball back in, get pinged for holding the ball and then would have the same look on his face.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

After watching him on Monday, I’m very skeptical that Ward will need to put the directions to Box Hill into his phone.

Mitchell's comments were measured, but very positive. If he stays fit, Ward looks like he will play round 1. Given his endurance, I wonder whether they play him on a wing?

 

[burner1]

After watching him on Monday, I’m very skeptical that Ward will need to put the directions to Box Hill into his phone.

Who comes out of midfield if everyone is fit though? No shortage of competition for midfield, wing and hff spots. Mitchell also strikes me as type of coach who will want guys to earn spot via form at BH (like he did).

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Was responsible for at least 4 goals in that Melbourne game. That's it was Scrimshaw, woulda been nice to put our 'stopper' on him for a little bit as he was getting hold of us.

Struggled in our 2nd game v Crows did Harto.

He was also poor against Pies and GWS.

Not his fault, hes a budget buy. Short term, stop gap solution. Bizarre that im actually needing to debate this.

I guess fans are loyal to their players. Some of you are probably wondering why we ended 5th bottom with no gaps in the line-up.


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Mate you're debating against a cult that couldn't accept we were " Middle of the road at best in 2019 " It's a rare breed.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

What you actually started arguing was that frost should play full back ahead of hartigan because hartigan concedes loads of goals in many games. That is very different to identifying that we need to replace him going forward. He is 32. Everyone agrees he has a limited shelf life. But in season 2022 he is our only mature full back. Unless dgb explodes, hartigan is going to play a lot games in 2022.

Is he ?

 

[Holy Rioli]

Is he ?

He'll still only be 30 when the season ends next year...

 

[HODGEYROAD]

He'll still only be 30 when the season ends next year...

Yeah I thought saying he was 32 was misguided.

 

[DannyJ]

Mate you're debating against a cult that couldn't accept we were " Middle of the road at best in 2019 " It's a rare breed.

Yeah doesn't seem a very good use of time discussing Hartigan here. It appears me hoping Frost could translate his play to FB and therefore allow Hartigan to drop out of the team has offended people.

As I've said, if people are happy with Hartigan at full back, good luck to them. He isn't very good



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[The Kipster]

As I've said, if people are happy with Hartigan at full back, good luck to them. He isn't very good
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Any bags kicked on him? He has a crack and is unsociable..

 

[Brant]

Yeah doesn't seem a very good use of time discussing Hartigan here. It appears me hoping Frost could translate his play to FB and therefore allow Hartigan to drop out of the team has offended people.

As I've said, if people are happy with Hartigan at full back, good luck to them. He isn't very good



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You can hope Frost suddenly learns to play tall all you want - I just think it's pretty unlikely to occur if it hasn't in the first 10yrs of his career. It's not his game - he plays small/fast & intercepts; he doesn't play tall/strong.

And it isn't as though people are happy to play Hartigan at full back - it's just that everyone but you recognises he's the best option we have & actually does a pretty reasonable job of it.