Unofficial Preview Round 1, 2024: Bombers v Hawks, MCG 1:10pm Sat 16th March

[Topiary]

Let me put it to you this way. You have to look at this move as fluid. There are multiple players that we are trying out in defence at the moment. Seamus Mitchell, Bailey Macdonald, Jai Serong, Massimo D'AMBROSIO, Denver G Barass, Will McCabe, Finn Maginness and Bodie Ryan. Not to mention the seniors in Impey, Scrimshaw, Amon, Sic, Frost and Blank. We know what we have with Dimma. We want to have the flexibility to move him forward in the future for periods of the game. Having utilities as players is never a bad thing. Players playing multiple positions enables flexibility and covers injuries. It also allows the player to contribute in other ways if he is having a bad day in his so-called primary role.

I could not agree more with this.

 

[Topiary]

Sounds like Amon and D'Ambrosio could be lining up down back R1. Which explains the Hardwick move.

This is what has been made very clear. We need both to improve their defensive skills. McDonald and Mitchell the same. Consistent defence. That is a must for the development to work. These are the options being worked through by the coaches during pre season.

 

[eldorado]

and hopefully one will turn into a GOAT!!!!

Underated post

 

[Yardie]

So those players under 25 with yet to be fully developed brains who work hard are……something special are they?

The guys like Moore, Newcombe, Day, Maginness, Weddle, etc. who work their bums off to get everything out of themselves. Are they the exceptions?

Whilst l agree that the male brain is not fully developed until 25, it’s a fair stretch to suggest these two players didn’t know they need to work hard to succeed….due to lack of development of their brain.

FWIW: Both Chol and Scrimshaw have passed the age of 25.

People mature at different rates. I'm not categorically saying that it will happen for the two players in question just pointing out that for some people getting their shit together happens much later in life than for others. And before you jump in with a "gotcha" moment again, some people don't get it together at all.

 

[FB19]

Frost is a very good player a versatile defender we just don’t want him thinking or doing anything apart from defending. But he can spoil and intercept I think he’s certain to start r1. If he does that and hands off to Amon Sicily Mitchell Massimo to distribute happy days. In that scenario and taking in information thus far:
Frost Blanck Mitchell
Weddle Sicily Amon
CJ Newk Ward
Moore Lewis CMac
Breust Chol Hardwick
Reeves Day Worpel
Nash Maginness Impey Scrimshaw Watson
Emergencies from
Meek Gunston DGB Mackenzie Butler Ginnivan Ramsden Hustwaite D’Ambrosio BMac
We certainly bat quite deep now which is great you could make several changes to that side and it would be hard to argue.

 

[Brant]

Frost is a very good player a versatile defender we just don’t want him thinking or doing anything apart from defending. But he can spoil and intercept I think he’s certain to start r1. If he does that and hands off to Amon Sicily Mitchell Massimo to distribute happy days. In that scenario and taking in information thus far:
Frost Blanck Mitchell
Weddle Sicily Amon
CJ Newk Ward
Moore Lewis CMac
Breust Chol Hardwick
Reeves Day Worpel
Nash Maginness Impey Scrimshaw Watson
Emergencies from
Meek Gunston DGB Mackenzie Butler Ginnivan Ramsden Hustwaite D’Ambrosio BMac
We certainly bat quite deep now which is great you could make several changes to that side and it would be hard to argue.

The ball coming out the Mitchell > Amon > Ward side would be sweet.

Coming out the Frost > Weddle > CJ side would be... AWESOME! (Scary, mainly - but awesome!!!)

*Frost's versatility (plays tall + small but not really 'strong', IMO) means he can play BP to cover Hardwick or CHB, releasing Sicily. He's 100% in my Best 23.

 

[StillAtLarge]

*Frost's versatility (plays tall + small but not really 'strong', IMO) means he can play BP to cover Hardwick or CHB, releasing Sicily. He's 100% in my Best 23.

Agree with this, the best way to utilise Frost is playing him on smalls imo. He's more than capable of nullifying Cameron, Rankine, Papley, Bolton etc

 

[Slainte]

Frost is a very good player a versatile defender we just don’t want him thinking or doing anything apart from defending. But he can spoil and intercept I think he’s certain to start r1. If he does that and hands off to Amon Sicily Mitchell Massimo to distribute happy days. In that scenario and taking in information thus far:
Frost Blanck Mitchell
Weddle Sicily Amon
CJ Newk Ward
Moore Lewis CMac
Breust Chol Hardwick
Reeves Day Worpel
Nash Maginness Impey Scrimshaw Watson
Emergencies from
Meek Gunston DGB Mackenzie Butler Ginnivan Ramsden Hustwaite D’Ambrosio BMac
We certainly bat quite deep now which is great you could make several changes to that side and it would be hard to argue.

"If he does that and hands off to Amon Sicily Mitchell Massimo to distribute happy days."

The problem is that he doesn't. When he hands off it is often to a player under pressure. If he goes for a run, chances are he kicks it to an opposition player. His judgement with ball in hand is terrible (and please don't give me that "his brain is still developing" stuff). He is a good defender and is versatile but he is a liability with ball in hand. "Frost-ball" has entered the footy lexicon for a reason - and it is not a compliment.

 

[TylerDurden]

"If he does that and hands off to Amon Sicily Mitchell Massimo to distribute happy days."

The problem is that he doesn't. When he hands off it is often to a player under pressure. If he goes for a run, chances are he kicks it to an opposition player. His judgement with ball in hand is terrible (and please don't give me that "his brain is still developing" stuff). He is a good defender and is versatile but he is a liability with ball in hand. "Frost-ball" has entered the footy lexicon for a reason - and it is not a compliment.

100%
Want him nowhere near this r1 team.

 

[peetoo]

Perfect sub

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

100%
Want him nowhere near this r1 team.

I'd almost have money on him being out there, but Blanck can hopefully push passed him.

 

[TylerDurden]

I'd almost have money on him being out there, but Blanck can hopefully push passed him.

I've got Scrim, DGB, even Serong ahead of him for that role. We need to move past him quickly. Happy for him to mentor young defenders at BH in his last year with us.

 

[burner1]

I reckon we can only play one of Blanck and frost. Frost as 2nd tall just doesn’t work. But wouldn’t be surprised if a fully fit frost is ahead of Blanck for FB for round 1.

 

[peetoo]

Early on in the season they played 2 rucks and extra mids runners rather than tall keys

By round 21 22 23 when they had their best spell it was one ruck and three talls each end

I recon preferred tall forwards will ‘be Lewis, Chol and backs Blanck and Weddle.

The other 2 spots filled by DGB Frost Ramsden Husthwaite Scrimshaw Serong.

Of course there’s the ever reliable Sicily and Gunston to do. Job as required, should the stocks run thin or match ups are horrific

 

[The hands of stone]

Sam Draper now going media street doing ads , clearly not focussed .
We have these guys covered

 

[Brant]

I'd almost have money on him being out there, but Blanck can hopefully push passed him.

Blanck & Frost play different roles. Blanck is a FB only. Frost can play multiple roles in defence but not well as FB.

Playing only 1x KPD (Blanck) is madness. If he were injured in the first half, it's game over - regardless what else happens.

I've got Scrim, DGB, even Serong ahead of him for that role. We need to move past him quickly. Happy for him to mentor young defenders at BH in his last year with us.

If he's not better KPD than Scrim / Serong / DGB then why on Earth would you want him to mentor them at BHH??? To teach them to be as shit as you make him out to be with every post on the topic?

 

[FB19]

Blanck & Frost play different roles. Blanck is a FB only. Frost can play multiple roles in defence but not well as FB.

Playing only 1x KPD (Blanck) is madness. If he were injured in the first half, it's game over - regardless what else happens.


If he's not better KPD than Scrim / Serong / DGB then why on Earth would you want him to mentor them at BHH??? To teach them to be as s**t as you make him out to be with every post on the topic?

You can be shit and a mentor.

 

[naysayer]

Sounds like Amon and D'Ambrosio could be lining up down back R1. Which explains the Hardwick move.

D'Ambrosio for round 1? I know it's fun to build up our recruits, but he's a 20-year-old with under 20 games experience, who hasn't played so much as a praccy match in our colours. I really think it's a little early to suggest we're already pushing magnets around on his account.

It's not that he can't get there, but a guy coming off a rookie list and leap-frogging Seamus, DGB, Mackenzie, Butler, Serong, BMac, Harry, and others pushing for a backline/wing spot would be extraordinary. As for displacing Blake Hardwick, well, hard to imagine.

 

[TylerDurden]

D'Ambrosio for round 1? I know it's fun to build up our recruits, but he's a 20-year-old with under 20 games experience, who hasn't played so much as a praccy match in our colours. I really think it's a little early to suggest we're already pushing magnets around on his account.

It's not that he can't get there, but a guy coming off a rookie list and leap-frogging Seamus, DGB, Mackenzie, Butler, Serong, BMac, Harry, and others pushing for a backline/wing spot would be extraordinary. As for displacing Blake Hardwick, well, hard to imagine.

I'm saying for some reason, Sam wants Hardwick forward. Which means he already has guys ready to push back into that position.

I don't agree with it, but it appears to be happening from all accounts.

 

[TylerDurden]

Blanck & Frost play different roles. Blanck is a FB only. Frost can play multiple roles in defence but not well as FB.

Playing only 1x KPD (Blanck) is madness. If he were injured in the first half, it's game over - regardless what else happens.


If he's not better KPD than Scrim / Serong / DGB then why on Earth would you want him to mentor them at BHH??? To teach them to be as s**t as you make him out to be with every post on the topic?

Sam will only play 3 talls down back and want 3 rebounders to attack via run and ball use. Blanck and Sicily are locks, and I believe Scrim will take the other role due to superior ball use. Look at the roles he wants filled.

If you're banking on Frost to take a 2MP, then good luck. Do some research on that match up.
As for ball in hand, well, that goes against everything Sam wants down there. But feel free to die on that hill.

 

[Brant]

If you're banking on Frost to take a 2MP, then good luck. Do some research on that match up.
As for ball in hand, well, that goes against everything Sam wants down there. But feel free to die on that hihill.

2MP will almost certainly play FF, which means Blanck takes him. Not sure why I'd want to engineer a terrible match-up (2MP v Frost) when the logical one is far better for us?

 

[FB19]

Blanck & Frost play different roles. Blanck is a FB only. Frost can play multiple roles in defence but not well as FB.

Playing only 1x KPD (Blanck) is madness. If he were injured in the first half, it's game over - regardless what else happens.


If he's not better KPD than Scrim / Serong / DGB then why on Earth would you want him to mentor them at BHH??? To teach them to be as s**t as you make him out to be with every post on the topic?

I love you Brant but could you stop referring to me in your posts in comparison to our players. I was a serviceable defender in my day but even I couldn’t reasonably draw those comparisons.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

I think it will come down to team balance. There is a role for Frost especially if we want a more defensive back six. Scrimshaw obviously the better player but Frost is the better defender, especially against bigger or faster players. DGB certainly has the attributes to make that position his own but to date Frost, even with all his drawbacks, is clearly the better-performed player.


DGB cracking the best 22 would be such a huge deal for our long-term list build. He is a better kick and decision-maker and has the defensive mongrel that Frost brings. I really hope it happens.

 

[TylerDurden]

2MP will almost certainly play FF, which means Blanck takes him. Not sure why I'd want to engineer a terrible match-up (2MP v Frost) when the logical one is far better for us?

Yep. I'm happy with Blanck on 2MP.
Imagine Sic will take Stringer/ Langford.

Which leaves Scrim/ DGB to take a Jones/ Weideman type, which I'm ok with.

 

[tl92]

I think it will come down to team balance. There is a role for Frost especially if we want a more defensive back six. Scrimshaw obviously the better player but Frost is the better defender, especially against bigger or faster players. DGB certainly has the attributes to make that position his own but to date Frost, even with all his drawbacks, is clearly the better-performed player.


DGB cracking the best 22 would be such a huge deal for our long-term list build. He is a better kick and decision-maker and has the defensive mongrel that Frost brings. I really hope it happens.

DGB coming on would be so good for our list build. Fingers crossed