Review Round 1 v Geelong

[mike91]

Although not sure why you single out banners for today's embarrassment. Not his best but far from the worst, even within the forward line, but I guess you did mention amiss.

Banners had few score involvements from the treacys and one of Reid's goal. The point to O'Meara which he should of kicked. Had a goal himself and the tight miss for a point. Could of done better with two other snaps but yeh

You missed my point mate. I singled out Banners because he was mentioned plenty of times. I used him as an example.

I'm far more frustrated at a minimum 14 players before him. The point of my post was to express frustration at the better players who should be held to a higher standard, not the whipping boy, because that'd a cop out

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[Bringbacktheeighties]

It seems like the problems are relatively simple but unfortunately they're so fundamental it's hard to see how you turn them around quickly. One swallow and all that but our midfield was insipid, ball use was absolutely atrocious and there was zero meaningful pressure. Defence and forward line were both bad but it's very hard for them to look good when those first three categories were so, so bad.

I'm not even mad at this point, I feel like Fry from Futurama in that zen state after the 100th coffee. We'll either compete this season or we won't.

I'd love to be in the team meeting and hear from the players themselves what they think happened. I'm worried by the way our young players didn't seem to care that much throughout the game. Johnson in particular seems very content with this work when I don't think I saw a single piece of positive individual play from him.

I'm happy to give the team a chance to prove that they're as good as they think they are - but gee whiz I'm also preparing for another 2016 (which I really hate to say but it does feel exactly like that first game after a season of Ross telling us he was going to be more attacking but the team just looked completely at sea without any game plan).

Geez I hope you’re not right. I remember thinking same thing in 2016.

 

[sdfc]

It seems like the problems are relatively simple but unfortunately they're so fundamental it's hard to see how you turn them around quickly. One swallow and all that but our midfield was insipid, ball use was absolutely atrocious and there was zero meaningful pressure. Defence and forward line were both bad but it's very hard for them to look good when those first three categories were so, so bad.

I'm not even mad at this point, I feel like Fry from Futurama in that zen state after the 100th coffee. We'll either compete this season or we won't.

I'd love to be in the team meeting and hear from the players themselves what they think happened. I'm worried by the way our young players didn't seem to care that much throughout the game. Johnson in particular seems very content with this work when I don't think I saw a single piece of positive individual play from him.

I'm happy to give the team a chance to prove that they're as good as they think they are - but gee whiz I'm also preparing for another 2016 (which I really hate to say but it does feel exactly like that first game after a season of Ross telling us he was going to be more attacking but the team just looked completely at sea without any game plan).

Johnson worked harder today and was one of our better players. Now he just needs to build on it.

 

[DockerDerek]

Someone summed it up well on the Game day thread in the 2nd Qtr

It's 2025 and Banfield is still on the list.

Nice guy, tries hard but has had 8 years in the AFL system and seriously what is he an mediocre b-grader.

8 years we have given him may as well hand him a long service leave for the year in a couple seasons.

B grader is a bit generous..l’d be delighted if he actually was!

I don’t know how in the 9th year of a rebuild we are still fielding the least experienced team of the round!

 

[E Shed]

Geelong brought the heat around the contest & we wilted. Credit to them their pressure was outstanding. Felt like our guys were rushed & panicking all day.

There were some very rusty & ill prepared players out there.

Selection was baffling, particularly starting Worner over Chappy.
Treacy had a mare & Amiss couldn’t get near it.

Writing was on the wall first 5 minutes. Switta running into goal sprays it. Other end Miers pings one from the boundary.

Be interesting if we respond at selection.

 

[s_wd6]

I don’t know how in the 9th year of a rebuild we are still fielding the least experienced team of the round!

I don’t know how many times you need it explained.

 

[s_wd6]

Geelong brought the heat around the contest & we wilted. Credit to them their pressure was outstanding. Felt like our guys were rushed & panicking all day.

There were some very rusty & ill prepared players out there.

Selection was baffling, particularly starting Worner over Chappy.
Treacy had a mare & Amiss couldn’t get near it.

Writing was on the wall first 5 minutes. Switta running into goal sprays it. Other end Miers pings one from the boundary.

Be interesting if we respond at selection.

Did you hear JLs press conference. “I don’t think the team selection was an issue. This team is capable of a lot more than they did today.” more or less. I wouldn’t be holding my breath for many changes

 

[malpaso]

Someone summed it up well on the Game day thread in the 2nd Qtr

It's 2025 and Banfield is still on the list.

Nice guy, tries hard but has had 8 years in the AFL system and seriously what is he an mediocre b-grader.

8 years we have given him may as well hand him a long service leave for the year in a couple seasons.

He was playing today because of injuries otherwise he's depth, not hard to fathom.

 

[PeopleEater]

Where did you hear that? That's not what I heard and doesn't match my convos with him. I'll ask him next time I see him.

His brother in law worked with me at the time and said that he wanted to extend but was knocked back by the club for what it’s worth.

 

[s_wd6]

His brother in law worked with me at the time and said that he wanted to extend but was knocked back by the club for what it’s worth.

That’s pretty much an open secret I thought. Given how much experience we were losing it wouldn’t have hurt to keep him, but at the same time at least he got to retire before he turned to shit

 

[DocT]

B grader is a bit generous..l’d be delighted if he actually was!

I don’t know how in the 9th year of a rebuild we are still fielding the least experienced team of the round!

Yep, and that's why we cannot claim 'inexperience' as an excuse, we have intentionally constructed it this way. As has JLo. He did not mention inexperience in the presser AFAIR. The expectation, quite rightly, is that we should be beyond that stage.

 

[PeopleEater]

First game that I’ve turned off at half time ever. I’m taking solace with the fact that we don’t really get our mojo until round 4 or 5 and start resembling a coherent AFL team.
Good to see Murph channeled his inner Nyhuis on debut.
Jackson was waaay better than Reidy in the ruck and hopefully the match committee learn from that.
Johnson is going to be a solid player and has improved on last year
People should stop knocking Freddy as he is a role player that can kick straight, mark and has warp speed
We should chip in and buy Jye a navman so he can find the ground next week. Bloke was invisible today.
Surely we can’t play 3 quarters as bad as that again this year?
sigh

 

[CapitalA]

Take the 3rd term out, and we lost 22.7.139 to 4.4.28.

I know you wanna emphasise it but that's like saying "take out the 4th quarter and it was a close game"

 

[PeopleEater]

That’s pretty much an open secret I thought. Given how much experience we were losing it wouldn’t have hurt to keep him, but at the same time at least he got to retire before he turned to shit

I was told the club wanted to keep it on the quiet due to how popular he was with the supporter base

 

[theGav56]

Thx for your honesty WRT Reidy. I haven't heard much from all the critcs who have bagged out JLo in the past for not selecting him.

I guess you're thinking Taberner worked out better? Or shifting Knobel to the rookie list was the smart move? Or taking a small forward was the ssp list need we had to have?

The club is going into the season with Darcy injured and Reidy is the only other #1 ruck on the list. The club extended Reidy's contract and he is mature age.

The club/Longmuir have selected Reidy.

 

[wakojako]

Johnson worked harder today and was one of our better players. Now he just needs to build on it.

He started the game so well then disappeared. We need him to be getting 5 clearances a game.

 

[Lach72]

Here’s a stat


We took 5 contested marks for the whole game.

5. Amongst 23 players and almost 2 hours of footy. And Sniss was the only forward to kick one

 

[DockerDerek]

I don’t know how many times you need it explained.

Just once would be sufficient.

 

[heavho]

Jlo admitted we didn’t prepare well. If he can’t do a simple thing like that there is no hope

 

[Minz]

Well, I’m just sad. Flat. Didn’t expect the team to win, but this has been a very competitive squad for the last few years and has some firey*, passionate characters. What the actual f*** happened?!? Seems out of character for the way these guys have been for the past few years. Weird actually.

And I would like to know what happened to Freddy; he used to chase and tackle, but the last couple of seasons has gone passive. After an injury as I recall.

*autocorrect wanted this to be “furry”, which totally changes the tone of the post

 

[BStaff17]

Jlo admitted we didn’t prepare well. If he can’t do a simple thing like that there is no hope

Some weird post match pressers comments this year already from JL.

The one after the indigenous game was bizarre and now this.

 

[DMan 11]

It was the inconsistency that got me so fired up in the GD thread.
Worst example was the skied kick that Cameron marked in their goal square, it went all of 11 metres yet mark paid - we had about 5 kicks in the backline called play on that were nearly double the length.

The other howler was the Brennan Cox HTB and then 10 mins later the exact same scenario on a cats player (forget who ?) and its ball up.

It’s forever been an issue with our game and most of the time I can bear the variance (home ground advantage etc etc) but today it REALLY stood out.



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[pK75]

Some weird post match pressers comments this year already from JL.

The one after the indigenous game was bizarre and now this.

How the hell are did we “not prepare well” for rnd 1?

 

[s_wd6]

Just once would be sufficient.

We didn’t fully commit to the rebuild until like 2019. See Wilson, Matera, Hill, Lobb, Kersten, Hogan etc. Waste of picks. Wasted games. Wasted experience.

We only had two players play yesterday that were drafted before 2016. Only one of them by us. Both with looooong injury histories.

How exactly are we expecting our average experience to be very high when the average player from 2016 is 26 years old and has played 120-50 odd games. And if that’s when we started our rebuild, and everyone else would be less than that it makes a lot of sense why our experience is so low.

Had we drafted well during our peak Ross era we would’ve had a much more experienced team/experienced depth but we have no one but Pearce to show for it.

Add to that 2x 200 gamers and essentially 3x 100 gamers on the bench and it’s about what you can expect. Again, if we had anything to show for the Ross era, or if we had put games into the players drafted instead of Lobb, Hogan, Wilson then we would have more depth to choose from.

TLDR: Failure to fully commit to the rebuild early on + lack of quality players (even as depth) drafted been 2011-2015 while we were still good

 

[summerthebat]

Chris Scott's presser was fairly enlightening on the disparity of attitudes & game plan. He spoke a fair bit about focusing on our game plan and taking it away from us, making a point of saying you can't expect to go out and hope your talent will beat their talent in modern AFL.

You will consistently hear JLO talk about how we just need to focus on our own game, and yet yesterday, the oppositions well executed strategy to minimise our damaging plans resulted in us being very easy beats.

Mostly shutting down Clark's rebound off of half-back, resulted in Wagner & Walker distributing it mostly inefficiently (side not, I think Wagner is WAFL quality but he was OK).

Young's absence really made it easier to control Brayshaw & Serong when it mattered, O'Meara benefited from that, one of his better games, but did little damage.

Our wings of Worner, Sharp & O'Driscoll really struggled to penetrate, giving us no attacking options out wide. It's not a bold statement to say Worner isn't close to AFL quality, inconceivable that he gets a start ahead of Chapman in any position when fully fit.

Jye Amiss is probably the easiest player in the game to stop. He simply can't beat good defenders at the moment.

Huge concerns about the coaching as well, nothing worked.

Primary game plan resulted in it being game over after the first quarter. Stop the bleeding game plan was some of the most unwatchable football I've seen and we couldn't even score. 'Set sail' mode in the last quarter ended up in us conceded 10 goals, one for.