Review Round 10, 2020 - Brisbane Lions vs. Richmond

[Big Sauce 21]

Looking at the match stats we were pretty much up with them in most facets of the game.

Stats did not show any relevance on the result. It was pure domination of gut running from Richmond. Smoked us

 

[Gadzorks]

So Richmond took out the game. Good on em, we are still higher in the ladder and tonight I deem that as the most important stat.

 

[Macca225]

I agree on Payne..
Not sure on Ballenden. has skills just seems to get pushed out too much.
Skinner I like although shows glimpses
Just Walker above where all three are presently.
Not talking 1-2 years in the future.. Talking now
playing all three young kids I think cost us. not their fault

This... very hard to teach someone to play with physicality if it's not natural. You only have to look at the difference when he is in the ruck compared with Skinner, Skinner always tries to make body contact at centre bounce, crash in and make a physical contest of the ruck.

 

[martinson]

I agree on Payne..
Not sure on Ballenden. has skills just seems to get pushed out too much.
Skinner I like although shows glimpses
Just Walker above where all three are presently.
Not talking 1-2 years in the future.. Talking now
playing all three young kids I think cost us. not their fault

It's late at night so I can say it . Don't think Ballenden's up to it yet. That was a monster kick when he kicked the point though wasn't it. Needs to get some mongrel into his game . He's big enough.

Skinner looks way too worried to me and a bit scared of stuffing up. Which explained his decision to play on 10m out. He looks like he could play given time.

We have a real crack at it this year and what we have to decide is whether it's worth putting development time into these guys for 7 or 8 games when I'm not really confident they'd stand up in a final.

 

[TyEdwards27]

It's late at night so I can say it . Don't think Ballenden's up to it yet. That was a monster kick when he kicked the point though wasn't it. Needs to get some mongrel into his game . He's big enough.

Skinner looks way too worried to me and a bit scared of stuffing up. Which explained his decision to play on 10m out. He looks like he could play given time.

We have a real crack at it this year and what we have to decide is whether it's worth putting development time into these guys for 7 or 8 games when I'm not really confident they'd stand up in a final.

Agree on everything here. Ballenden has the potential and will be good in a couple years.
Skinner does look scared to stuff it up. Hoping we keep playing him so he can build it up

 

[martinson]

Stats did not show any relevance on the result. It was pure domination of gut running from Richmond. Smoked us

Well of course.

I just don't think we had the legs.

 

[DashinD]

Gary Lyon was really getting off on talking about how bad we were. It was a bit weird.

 

[luthor]

Well of course.

I just don't think we had the legs.

I'd wager that if we'd kicked something like 5.2 in the third when we were dominant (instead of 0.7), we would have had a lot more run in our legs in the last.

Butchering genuine goal kicking chances time after time has to be energy sapping.

 

[Dylan12]

I thought we should have “managed” Zorko and Robinson - both looked way off the pace.

It was just insane that we only made the one change.

If we lose to the Dogs and in fact I think we will, who is going to publicly own up to the fact that the club could not have ****** this 3 game stretch of games by putting out a tired team to the detriment of the game against the Dogs. It was just idiotic.

The following players were just cooked tonight from what I could tell: Robinson, McCluggage, Berry, Zorko, Ellis-Yomen, McInerney and then you have the likes of Skinner, Ballenden, Witherden and Answerth that haven't played an AFL game in ages if at all and then you ask them to do it twice in four days.

Surely this couldn't have been any more obvious, but yet our footy department play the martyr and go for broke doing more harm than good and as we saw with Rayner, its now cost us one of our better players in the past few weeks.

Well done match committee; just imbeciles this week.

 

[Jimmy Two Hands]

Its nice to look at the stats and see we broke even in a number of categories, but to come away from that game and say we were even with them, we just didnt kick straight isnt reading that result right imo. Theres a huge discrepancy between us which seems to be a combination of gameplan, personnel and composure under pressure. Tigers kept us in it early by having too many free men inside attacking 50 and overcooking it - thats how easy they had it at times.

All the set shot practice in the world doesnt mean much when your snapping from a pack from 30 out in the pocket with 5 Tigers hanging off you. We were a long way off tonight - I hope thats just a symptom of the short break and having to blood a lot of new faces and next time, we will be closer.

 

[Gadzorks]

Looking at the match stats we were pretty much up with them in most facets of the game.

Don’t know what the stats say but I had us ahead on game play at the end of the third. Iwas hiding under the seat during the fourth so can’t comment on that.

It really is just our ability to convert that turns into a five point gain for them (their goal less our behind).

all the players screwed up but if we’d converted just the set shots we’d be talking about how great our depth is.

 

[martinson]

I'd wager that if we'd kicked something like 5.2 in the third when we were dominant (instead of 0.7), we would have had a lot more run in our legs in the last.

Butchering genuine goal kicking chances time after time has to be energy sapping.

One thing that murders you in footy is when you butcher a chance in front of goal and they take it straight down the other end and get an easy one.

It's not only on the scoreboard,it saps your confidence and energy.

It's been a regular feature of any big matches we play in and we need to really work on those moments in games.

Which I'm sure we are.

 

[martinson]

It was just insane that we only made the one change.

If we lose to the Dogs and in fact I think we will, who is going to publicly own up to the fact that the club could not have ****** this 3 game stretch of games by putting out a tired team to the detriment of the game against the Dogs. It was just idiotic.

The following players were just cooked tonight from what I could tell: Robinson, McCluggage, Berry, Zorko, Ellis-Yomen, McInerney and then you have the likes of Skinner, Ballenden, Witherden and Answerth that haven't played an AFL game in ages if at all and then you ask them to do it twice in four days.

Surely this couldn't have been any more obvious, but yet our footy department play the martyr and go for broke doing more harm than good and as we saw with Rayner, its now cost us one of our better players in the past few weeks.

Well done match committee; just imbeciles this week.

A bit harsh but I agree . And said it well before this week.

 

[Dylan12]

A bit harsh but I agree . And said it well before this week.

Same, said it the day the fixture was released.

 

[kylegee28]

I's tolds you'se it's would it happens it woulds. I's could see's it coming wiv me own eyes.

 

[davemc_lions]

do not think I picking too much on the young talls not their fault..
Not sure we should of gone for all three against the best team in the comp.
Although how do you blood them when really it the first time Payne got a look in. When Adams went down we went to Lester.. Last year Lester and Walker.
Skinner would not of got a game if McStay was not suspended
and Ballenden was behind Archie who is behind Martin/Big O.

Fagan does not really like dropping guys.
One thing said throughout the game was lots of tigers players know your one bad game before you get a chop.

 

[kenberger]

I’d have probably rested a couple more players but every coach has to essentially guess the optimum player management strategy this year. More confusing than the decision to play tired players was to play so tall and inexperienced.

We’re a team of almosts against Richmond. Had some terrible moments tonight but weren’t terrible overall as Gary Lyon would have us believe. Pretty confident we are a couple of good moments from everything clicking against the Tigers

 

[kenberger]

Hipwood is playing like he’s unsure of his own dimensions. I wonder if he’s grown

 

[Dylan12]

Hipwood is playing like he’s unsure of his own dimensions. I wonder if he’s grown

If we had an able replacement, I'd drop Hipwood. He's just bereft of confidence and his form is just horrible.

Fortunately for Eric, we have no one else. As many others have said, I'm not sure Skinner is the long-term answer and Ballenden, whilst I have a little more faith, is only marginal, but he needs to find aggression fast.

 

[luthor]

Its nice to look at the stats and see we broke even in a number of categories, but to come away from that game and say we were even with them, we just didnt kick straight isnt reading that result right imo. .

All the set shot practice in the world doesnt mean much when your snapping from a pack from 30 out in the pocket with 5 Tigers hanging off you.

We missed a total of 6 set shots for 6 behinds

One was by Lachie in the first from a very acute angle but he often kicks those. Another was a long ranger from Ballenden in the third missing from 50+ out which actually was a really nice kick but managed to find the post.

The other four were

1) Early in the second quarter, Zorko from 35 out on a 45 degree angle which was such a poor kick that it barely scraped in for a behind

2) Charlie missing from 50 on a 45 degree angle a minute later

3)Lyons missing a soda from 30 m out ,8 mins into the third

4) Starcevic miss from 40m out on a slight angle 6 mins into last quarter

I think we could have reasonably expected three of those six to be converted.

Then there was the howler from Skinner at 14.41 in the second when he threw away a certain goal that would have cut the margin to 4 points.

So 7 behinds from the above sources

Our other 10 behinds were from 9 field shots on goal and one rushed behind

Charlie missed 2 clear snaps, one which was difficult but the other which he would normally eat for breakfast, Lyons missed 2 snaps from relatively easy angles off the back of packs (which he is usually expert at drilling), MCarthy 3 running shots from a variety of angles, (one which hit the post), Ah Chee a clear running shot from about 25 and almost directly in front and CEY a clear running shot from about 35 on a slight angle.

I can say with absolute certainty that NONE OF THEM involved "snapping from a pack from 30 out in the pocket with 5 Tigers hanging off them" as you put it.

We have been pretty awful with our set shots for a while against all opponents but we usually make up for it with our goals from the field

I don't know what happens to our players when we play Richmond but their minds seem to turn to jelly when they are shooting for goal.

Against any other opponent we kick 5+ of those field shots on goal and probably at least 3 of the set shots (including the Skinner bungle)

8 goals at least just flushed down the toilet in a game that we lost by 41 points.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We have a real crack at it this year and what we have to decide is whether it's worth putting development time into these guys for 7 or 8 games when I'm not really confident they'd stand up in a final.

I think there's a happy medium between 7-8 games and zero. When it comes to finals time, injuries and suspensions may mean we'd have no choice but to play youngsters. And in that situation, I think we'd be very glad we pumped a couple of games into the youngsters earlier on so they're not going in completely raw.

 

[Genghis Tron]

I think the loss looks worse on paper than it actually was. Reckon the issues can be easily fixed before finals. Brissy are a good side, I can't really imagine any more losses like that this season for you lot.

 

[Jivlain]

It's worth noting that the only teams in the top 8 we have left to face are the Saints and Bullies (and we've got the latter tomorrow or whenever).

So a pretty soft run home, most of which should be at the Gabba.

Roos next weekend, and but then it's Gold Coast (who are thoroughly softened now), Carlton, Sydney, Roos, and whichever Collingwood happens to show up.

 

[royboys4eva]

Think we really missed a trick here as a club. We were always going to struggle of such a silly short break against a side who has had an extra 48 hours rest. Should have taken the long term view and pencilled the Dogs game as the one to win and rested key player against Tigers. Now we face the issue of players probably needing to be rested vs Dogs. Players like Mathieson/Christensen/Ely Smith would have ripped in last night with the opportunity.

Robbo has struggled for a month. McCluggage can't get near the ball since that Geelong game where he got injured. Zorko isn't the same zippy player he has been in the past.. that said he had mentioned he has to play the season with his injury. Next few years I can actually see Zorks playing 50% mid and 50% forward.

Richmond beat us the same way every time. Block off the corridor. You could see our guys look there all night and hesitate then just decide to go down the line. Didn't help not having Rich and Birchall to make the switch kick. So once we are forced wide the Tigers defenders knew how it was coming in. We missed lot of shots tonight but a lot of them are forced wide by their system. Out forward system works well against lower strength teams but soon as we play the top teams they figure us out far too easy.

Hipwood is not a contested forward - he has to play a different game that matches his attributes. He is best either at full forward leading hard from the square and opening up space behind him or play him as roaming half forward where he can use his pace to run the ball into the 50. Kicking to him down the line isn't going to work much and he falls to ground far too easy and why does he slip over so often?

Skinner and Ballenden looked like guys playing there 3rd and second games last night.. but its good that they have been given a run. We will probably need them at other times this season. Payne looked well off the pace but thats a tough game to make your debut in.

I was very disappointed in CEY last night. But I was excited with what Ah Chee showed up forward. Think he once kicked 4 goals against us as a forward for the Suns. He can replace Rayner up forward and Witherden deserves to stay in back line - he was solid again last night.

Lynch while a good player is an embarrassment - tries to shove Witherdens head into the ground as he runs past - but the minute he gets a shove back he falls to the ground like a 2 year old.

 

[jjami15]

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