Round 10 - Changes

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Don't care about his form, Boyd cost us the game, give him the arse.

IN - Hargrave, Rawlings, Street
OUT - Boyd, Skipper, Wight
 
Hargrave straight back in seems fine, and Eade is saying all of the right things about Rawlings...not sure about Street though.

Essendon will play Laycock, Lloyd and Lucas forward, so we will need three tall defenders - if you say Wight is out then I guess Rawlings becomes one of them, with Harris and Grant...but is Grant OK?

Understand your point about Boyd, but it is a bit reactionary...with the 'Bees not playing it makes it hard...
 
SirBloodyIdiot said:
Don't care about his form, Boyd cost us the game, give him the arse.

IN - Hargrave, Rawlings, Street
OUT - Boyd, Skipper, Wight

I havent seen the game so could you elaborate on how Boyd cost us the game.
 

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In: Hargrave, Rawlings & Ray
Out: Skipper, Boyd & Grant (Inj?)

I would play Wight again as I thought he didnt do too badly. Needs to get stronger in boundry throw ins but other then that he presented and was far from our worst. Look on the positive side today... We played shizenhausen and only lost by 13 points (were within 1 point with 4mins left). Sure we didnt win but we are on the right track.
 
In - Hargrave, Rawlings, Ray and Street -
Out- Skipper, Wight, Grant (Inj) maybe Boyd - someone for farren.

Im still not convinced on Skipper as a ruckman. Street although getting bagged deserves a game.
 
IN: Rawlings, Hargrave, Ray
OUT: Skipper, Grant, Boyd.

Assuming Grant is injured, Skipper = Dud and Boyd needs some time at Weribee. Rawlings in to help handle tall bombers forwards, Hargrave in good form, Ray deserves another shot.
 
SirBloodyIdiot said:
Don't care about his form, Boyd cost us the game, give him the arse.

IN - Hargrave, Rawlings, Street
OUT - Boyd, Skipper, Wight
why do you want to lose the massive pace advantage that we have over essendon?
skipper and wight are much quicker than rawlings and street.
 
doggies said:
why do you want to lose the massive pace advantage that we have over essendon?
skipper and wight are much quicker than rawlings and street.

But Wight is clearly not up to league standard and there's a need for a specialist ruckman.
 
Boyd's 'form' is a mirage. Have a look at the tape of the win against North and see how he goes when he's under pressure.

Love his endeavour and how he's made himself a footballer, but he's a weak link. We could even cover his slowness if his decision making was good and his hands were clean. But they ain't.

Wight and Skipper had the kind of games they need to have. Frustrating thing about talls, you have to watch them wade through ordure before you get the payoff.
 

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Walsh Bay said:
Boyd's 'form' is a mirage. Have a look at the tape of the win against North and see how he goes when he's under pressure.

Love his endeavour and how he's made himself a footballer, but he's a weak link. We could even cover his slowness if his decision making was good and his hands were clean. But they ain't.
Have to agree entirely. I love the way Boydy has made himself an AFL footballer through sheer hard work and determination, despite his obvious limitations. But long term, I just don't think he is up to the mark. Catch 22 is that we need his type in the side (defensive minded midfielder), but if his pace is a worry at the SCG, it's ony going to get exacerbated at the bigger grounds. Also agree that his decision making skills are so-so at best: in the last 2 weeks, he has made a real hash of some relatively easy situations. I would give Birssy an extended run in the side as our other defensive midfielder to give Crossy a chop-out.
 
In: Rawlings, Hargrave, Ray
Out: Boyd, Wight, Grant

Cam isn't ready yet and still needs to put on a bit of muscle but it was the right decision to give him a taste. Rawlings will be required this week especially if they do try and throw 3 talls forward at times. If Grant plays then Rawlings doesnt. I dont think Street is the right option this week, we need a mobile ruckman in Skipper to go with Laycock. Ray deserves a chance and he is another pacey player to run the bombers midfield off their feet.
 
Gooka said:
farren ray has to be due surely?

Surely enough is enough with the likes of Skipper, wight, Boyd and co. Contributed close to nothing on the weekend and need to go. It's staggering that Ray and Rawlings cannot get a game and that Boyd is chosen over Ray each week. Granted that they play different roles, Boyd is poor and gives little in the way of us moving forward. Farren is a little gun and will gain little from languishing in the 2's.

Big Willie has been horrible two weeks running with extended spells on the bench. He was beaten convincingly by Hale and was dominated early by Jolly and co. He needs to pull the finger out and do more, with Darce out this is his chance to prove something to all of us and himself. Maybe it's even time to consider Bowden again just to give us some marking options up forward as yet again we are left wanting in this department to my constant frustration.
 
ErnieSigley said:
Birss anyone?
Birss is in the same boat as Boyd, good ordinary footballers at very best.
 
ErnieSigley said:
Birss anyone?

Exactly!! Birss is the ideal player to replace Boyd.

So Hargraves, Birss and Rawlings
for Wight, Boyd and Grant

Skipper had a bad game that's for sure, but he did really well against Bris and the Roos, so I would give him one more. Wight looks out of his league.

On a side note, it does make you wonder when you see Walsh and Wight playing, who have been in the system for 3 years, and see Bradley (2 years) and Franklin (1 year). They are really at a backward step ATM.
 
I think Wight will be a good solid ruckman. Wasn't too bad in the ruck contests. I think he has a future.

The comparison of Birss and Boyd is harsh i think. As i posted last week, Boyd is a crash the pack sort of player, but is terrible below his knees. He's not the most talented footballer gonig around.

Birss on the other hand i believe has Boyd easily beat for skill and can also crash the back. His last game wasn't brilliant and he made a few mistakes, but line the mistakes up with what Boyd did yesterday, then i think Birss would be in front.
 
ErnieSigley said:
Very harsh.
What has Birss done to prove this? If you say he is injured all the time I'd agree but Birss is still young and unproven.
That's exactly right ernie, what has he done? I cannot remember a game where i have walked away thinking "hey Birss had a cracker of a game, he might be alright". He just does not contribute enough and is not damaging enough as a footballer, both pyhsically and in skills, just my opinion though.
 
Red House said:
I think Wight will be a good solid ruckman. Wasn't too bad in the ruck contests. I think he has a future.

The comparison of Birss and Boyd is harsh i think. As i posted last week, Boyd is a crash the pack sort of player, but is terrible below his knees. He's not the most talented footballer gonig around.

Birss on the other hand i believe has Boyd easily beat for skill and can also crash the back. His last game wasn't brilliant and he made a few mistakes, but line the mistakes up with what Boyd did yesterday, then i think Birss would be in front.
Sorry i think i may have been a bit unclear. Im not comparing them skill wise, i am just putting them in the same boat in terms of value to the team and overall football competence. I agree Birss is a more polished player than Boyd is. :cool:
 
dogupya said:
That's exactly right ernie, what has he done? I cannot remember a game where i have walked away thinking "hey Birss had a cracker of a game, he might be alright". He just does not contribute enough and is not damaging enough as a footballer, both pyhsically and in skills, just my opinion though.
How can you say he is very ordinary at best if we haven't seen enough of him?
Every time he gets a few games in a row he was performs well, improves and his form doesn't warrant being dropped. Injury has cost him.

I understand he is no star KP but provides a bit of hardness but why blame him for being short? He is actually more physical than some equally sized senior players.
 

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