Review Round 11, 2024 - Hawthorn vs. Brisbane Lions

[CarterS]

Zorko been arguably our best this season but today he gave away quite a number of goals and free kicks, had an absolute barry crocker.

 

[briztoon]

Yeah maybe I should go on a rant about how bad Rayner is. Not like there are dozens already on this board

Another one liner that contributes nothing to any discussion. That's your level.

 

[Nunez]

Geez I hope he gets back to level he was at pre injury, next season. Because when Neale is done, our midfield is in all sorts of trouble.

Is it?

Dunkley
McCluggage
Berry
Will Ashcroft
Levi Ashcroft
Sam Marshall

And that's without us looking at trading in or recruiting another mid.

 

[notliondown]

Let's see rayner a coaches vote this week.

Even in the less taxing role in the forward line he runs forward completely oblivious to the ball carrier just to make up numbers.

It's time to go Cam.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Another one liner that contributes nothing to any discussion. That's your level.

Holy crap this is an elite meltdown

 

[Big Sauce 21]

This was a clear example of not changing anything up with game plan. Hawks high press didn't allow a cheap kick to kick style which we have been doing. Instead we had players not offer anything and resorted back to the long dumps.

McCluggage looks like me when i'm playing sport, Fat and exhausted. How much we giving this bloke ?

 

[AFLQLD]

Zorko been arguably our best this season but today he gave away quite a number of goals and free kicks, had an absolute barry crocker.

Zorko had a bad day but not through lack of effort which should really be the baseline for anyone at this level. Any player can have an off day but they need to be working hard always.

 

[briztoon]

Is it?

Dunkley
McCluggage
Berry

Dunkley and Berry have been good, but they don't offer the same drive forward Neale does, when he gets the ball on the outside of a contest.

Will Ashcroft
Levi Ashcroft
Sam Marshall

And that's without us looking at trading in or recruiting another mid.

 

[Saintsone]

This was a clear example of not changing anything up with game plan. Hawks high press didn't allow a cheap kick to kick style which we have been doing. Instead we had players not offer anything and resorted back to the long dumps.

McCluggage looks like me when i'm playing sport, Fat and exhausted. How much we giving this bloke ?

On current form Berry worth more

 

[notliondown]

We need to start to manage our fall now.

We cannot rinse and repeat our way out of this.

We have to lift our eyes, look past the past and see how we can tinker and change and improve.

And we don't need to temporarily fill gaps at the mid season draft, we need to look at long term prospects.

 

[Nunez]

Dunkley and Berry have been good, but they don't offer the same drive forward Neale does, when he gets the ball on the outside of a contest.

Ideally Rayner would give us that, but will never be played as a mid it seems. Will is going to be very handy as the third string. Hugh is better than this year's patchy form.

Levi and Sam will add quality around stoppages too.

 

[Squizz89]

I’ve said before I hate shitting on Cam because he seems like such a likeable bloke and great clubman, who hung around when not all of them did, but by god he has been shit this year, save for a quarter against Melbourne.

I don’t even think it’s a coaching issue anymore, I honestly just don’t know if they can do any more with him.

 

[notliondown]

Yeah maybe I should go on a rant about how bad Rayner is. Not like there are dozens already on this board

Happy to help. It's wholey deserved.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Rayners lack of effort is disgusting, have always stuck up for him but I am done. How can you stay away from the ball long enough to only have 7 touches. Should get 7 touches by accident. He is always behind his man, flies for marks from 5 deep and never looks like taking them. Flashes of brilliance does not cut it anymore, not fair he gets to play in the same team with players such as Lachie Neale

9

Lachie Neale

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

and Darcy Wilmot who bust their arse every week while he jogs around and tries to take a hanger every now and again. Dangle him at the end of the year- someone might give as a 3rd rounder.

 

[briztoon]

Holy crap this is an elite meltdown

No meltdown here, just tired of your sh*t.

 

[Happy_Neale]

well Ryan I think had 3 disposals and one goal in three Q's. . Morris is young and plenty of upside but like most young players will struggle for consistently for the first year or so, but I would keep playing him over Cam as the third tall.

Agree with all that. Would play O forward as much as possible too

 

[Gadzorks]

15.10 v 10.15

Midfield isn't our problem. Forwards play well enough to get the shots, but their lack of accuracy is killing us. As it has all year.

Whatever magic they were drinking last year needs to be bought in bulk.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Agree with all that. Would play O forward as much as possible too

If we’re playing a ruckman forward with our season over it should be HSmith but not sure we can in addition to Daniher, Hipwood and Morris

 

[Happy_Neale]

If we’re playing a ruckman forward with our season over it should be HSmith but not sure we can in addition to Daniher, Hipwood and Morris

Yeah can’t play all 4. We desperately need a second contested marking forward though. Don’t know what the answer is at the moment

 

[JasRulz63]

15.10 v 10.15

Midfield isn't our problem. Forwards play well enough to get the shots, but their lack of accuracy is killing us. As it has all year.

Whatever magic they were drinking last year needs to be bought in bulk.

I disagree, midfield is definitely a problem as well. Neale was the only one who made us look semi-respectable in there.

That run where Hawthorn ran it straight out of the middle multiple times essentially untouched leading to goals was an indictment on the midfield.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yeah can’t play all 4. We desperately need a second contested marking forward though. Don’t know what the answer is at the moment

I think Joe and Hippy are better than most give them credit for

Big improvement would be the smalls staying down to crumb and pressure

 

[briztoon]

Ideally Rayner would give us that, but will never be played as a mid it seems. Will is going to be very handy as the third string. Hugh is better than this year's patchy form.

Levi and Sam will add quality around stoppages too.

Sorry, bouncing between BigFooty and family, so can't reply properly.

I was talking in a couple of years for Will and Neale.

Waiting to see what Levi and Marshall offer at senior level before anointing them as saviours. Same with Annable the year after. Just have this feeling we'll still need an x-factor type in the midfield, as it projects to be very one paced and undersized with the players mentioned.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I disagree, midfield is definitely a problem as well. Neale was the only one who made us look semi-respectable in there.

That run where Hawthorn ran it straight out of the middle multiple times essentially untouched leading to goals was an indictment on the midfield.

We probably broke even in the contested stuff but Hawks got it out the front of the pack way too often

 

[BRAB]

If we let Cam have a block in the VFL to play as close to a full time mid as his tank allows could it help his season at this stage?

 

[Happy_Neale]

I think Joe and Hippy are better than most give them credit for

Big improvement would be the smalls staying down to crumb and pressure

I’m not that down on Hippy and Joe like others seem to be, but I do think structurally they aren’t enough on their own