Ilovewindy
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- Apr 19, 2024
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- St Kilda
Bit of a funny one, but I'm fairly new on here and have no ****en idea what GOP stands for and its killing me hahah
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I didn’t get that at all?He's making excuses that don't stack up.
It's stands for the "Grand Old Party"Bit of a funny one, but I'm fairly new on here and have no ****en idea what GOP stands for and its killing me hahah
'Good, ordinary player'Bit of a funny one, but I'm fairly new on here and have no ****en idea what GOP stands for and its killing me hahah
****ing hell you’ve gone on a reply rant here.I don’t think I’ve read anything suggesting Lyon should be immune to criticism
Some balance in that criticism from time to time would be nice though
What gets boring is the incessant “Lyons game plan is why we are bad..” that gets old
I’m not into letting players off the hook
We do it well at Saints
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He has a year.Ross isnt going anywhere. No need to discuss whether he is or if we should replace him. The entire club - admin, recruiting, medical, the rest of the football department - have all tied themselves to him. We are on this ride for the long haul or at least until Ross wants to get off. Just accept that this is our fortune and all we can do is hope he can find some sort of game style that is bearable to watch.
It’s a conversation bud so calm down. When one posts ..it’s normal another responds ..****ing hell you’ve gone on a reply rant here.
Not saying players are blameless in fact I’ve noted many have been varying degrees of shit for quite some time but there are a lot of Ross defenders adamant that he’s not anything to do with the issue.
We’ve got issues all over the place, Ross and his gameplan or lack of ability to stamp out the shit as a coach is absolutely one.
We’re 4th last and on form probably dead last with north. The last month and a bit (north game aside) has been abhorrent.
The issues are everywhere including the coach. Don’t get it twisted, I’m not laying it all at Ross feet but some does sit there and as the main man, whether you like it or not, more generally sits with him than elsewhere.
Keep crossing those fingers BillIf we lose the next 2 weeks we don't have any winnable games until round 19.
We are genuinely staring down the barrel of a 3-14 start.
Pressure on Ross and the club is going to be fever pitch if this happens. If we win 4 or 5 games for the year, Lyon may be cooked for sooner than what we think is possible.
Was a lot of replies to me in a row, all good, it was tongue in cheek.It’s a conversation bud so calm down. When one posts ..it’s normal another responds ..
Of course Ross has shyte to do - lots of it
I’d argue you or I wouldn’t even know what his game plan is because that Auskicker skill level we saw on display certainly would t be show casing it
That Bonner kick in the guts…the miss from Caminiti..5 meters out to put us within 5pts… WTF?
Anyhoo I’m less worried about game plan and more worried about talent
Last year i thought we over achieved (sides around our level eg Bombers) had down years, we got a softer draw ….i walked out of the Giants final knowing the gap was large …they were playing with us..
I think Lyon and Bassatt would’ve been better just ripping the band air off and saying we need a mini re build before we contend and scrap the dual narrative stuff (I get it…they’re trying to sell hope/menberships). Lyon was asked in todays presser if a few quick tweaks can see us improve dramatically…or be close…his comment that “on today…no” was I think where he really sees the list
Funnily enough I think the loss of Gresh has hurt us more than we realised. Yes his disposal was crap but when he was in the middle he provided something different.We know the midfield is bad and Sinclair ends up there out of desperation but he just isnt as damaging as he is at half back. So while it minimally helps the midfield, we lose one of our most damaging and dangerous assets from the backline.
Of the other forwards - Collard wasn't ready and it was obvious in his VFL performance and last week. I get the popular notion when losing is 'play the kids' but having a teenager run around not contributing, not touching it and overawed doesn't help their development. Caminiti's one-on-one work needs serious work and he cant be missing 15m if he wants to play at senior level. Owens wasn't great but just wanted to do the weekly call for him to join the midfield rotation.
I think the biggest loss to the midfield this year has been Lenny Hayes . While we have been without Crouch, we use to set up in a way to work with our weaknesses and minimise the damage while this year, we are being exposed on a weekly basis. Promoting BJ to the role with 1 year development experience can't be helping the situation.
I didn’t get that at all?
Midfield- still work in progress
Ball use /turnovers killed us
Even noted his comments thats it’s easy to confuse a playing group (was that directed at him/coaches)
I didn’t get confused excuses…that’d be a Brett Ratten presser ..
Until Grandson of Plugger comes along at least.It's stands for the "Grand Old Party"
Ooppss...that's US politics.
It's Good Ordinary Player.
Yeh I’ve always found Ross pressers to be all about him showing how clever and funny and witty he is.Talked up last year's performance.
When it was brought up we had a similar list this year, used crouch and butler as excuses.
He deflects.
Kept going on with his latest prosecute catch phrase.
Said were not known for poor execution.... bullish*t.
He's lost.
Truth is I had us 7-12 type teamWas a lot of replies to me in a row, all good, it was tongue in cheek.
Look broadly I agree but you did note you don’t see anyone saying we can’t criticize Ross, I disagree with that. There are some genuine rusted on types that swear he walks on water. It frustrates me to see “well who is better” because firstly we don’t know and secondly it’s not the point. If we can’t critique and hope they’re doing the same then what hope have we got of improving.
I’d also argue we absolutely can see the gameplan and it’s most pointed in the regression of a lot of our players. When they played with freedom and creativity last year (before the Ross defense first stuff) we saw players looking great. Nas, Sincs even Pou played a lot more on instinct and backed their strengths. All that is gone now. Joeys analysis talked about us being a kick mark and ball retention team, we are and it’s at the cost of quick dynamic ball movement.
This stuffs really obvious and my worry is that it’s gonna kill some of these players longer term.
Now Ross has forgotten more about footy than I’ll ever know so we have to trust that this is a build in progress but it’s getting harder and harder every week for me and others to see where that build is coming from. Even if it’s two steps back for one forward, this gamestyle doesn’t win modern footy games, the last god knows how many flag winners show us that.
Perhaps we over achieved last year but I don’t think the regression was 8-10 ladder spots and potentially 9 wins worth.
We’ve gone backwards in a stack of areas, the hope we all have is that we’ve done it for a reason.
The journo (who doesn’t know his shyte) said we had the same side as last year ….Lyon pointed out there were 8 different to last time we played Dees and Crouch and Butler are important..,,that’s not lost it’s the truth ??Talked up last year's performance.
When it was brought up we had a similar list this year, used crouch and butler as excuses.
He deflects.
Kept going on with his latest prosecute catch phrase.
Said were not known for poor execution.... bullish*t.
He's lost.
Individually, there were some real disappointing efforts today.
- Bonner, he is good for half a dozen absolutely diabolical turnovers a game. I get the feeling we will persist but he doesn't provide us with anything that Arie or Hastie couldn't at half back.
- King, that effort in the middle of the ground with deplorable. First of all didn't bother making a contest then gave away 50 with lazy football. He did a few ok things, but he and Caminiti allowed May (and Tomlinson) to dominate us. King isn't a monster, but he plays bruise free footy nonetheless and his lack of intensity and drive out there is telling.
- Caminiti, the kid is a very (mentally) immature footballer, very frustrating to watch. Tries to make contests and contribute, but has a LOT to learn.
- Owens, Mitchito seems to be immune to criticism of his game. He's been ok in the past few weeks, for example his kicking for goal has shown massive improvements. To me, he needs to impact more - he's no longer a teenager and I think we give him too much grace because he's explosive. If he has another couple of quiet weeks, I want him to follow Pou's path to develop in the seconds.
- Collard may have been poor, but when he is lining up on Tomlinson (or whichever other tall defender it was) and getting into dangerous spots - delivery in the form of a slow kick to the top of his head isn't the smartest play.
- Ro had an uncharacteristically poor game today around the ground, regardless of that he needs to figure out how to nullify a good tap ruckman.
- Sinclair, he is half the player he was last year. He isn't playing poorly, but he is playing like a GOP. Certainly not the AA half back we had last year, he's gone back to the nearly player he was before his move to the backline.
- Steele, since he hurt his knee he has been angry. He looks so frustrated out there. That play in the middle where he just gave up, walked off the ground and yelled at the bench was such a bad look for a captain and completely unexpected. He is carrying a poor midfield and the frustration is showing - he almost looks disillusioned at this point.
- Dow, working his way into it, expectations may need to be lowered a bit but he was far from embarrassed out there. Tough to expect him to come in and be our midfield saviour.
This handball/chipping game we are playing is disgusting, it simply does not work with the pressure the oppo puts on us. We just don't have the skills (under pressure) and smarts to pull it off.
There was a passage of play today where we chipped it around for a bit on the hbf, only to dump kick it straight to Gawn. Half of the problem is we are so easy to read. There was next to no movement and no hard running - our game plan was telegraphed to the point where it is easy pickings for the intercept in a dangerous position.
I can't actually see us getting out of this rut. It's a pretty pessimistic way to look at things, I'm sure we'll show some form eventually though. So what can i do other than complain?
- Crouch back in asap, will definitely help our midfield
- Forwards like Max need to work on their inside 50s along with the rest of the team
- Sharman as a sub does not work, to me he's a third tall forward good for a couple of goals a game - almost Membreys heir apparent. I would play him there and keep him there, having said that - Tim showed today he is too good for Sandy.
- Bonner out for Arie, the time has come
- Sinclair back to half backline
- Garcia back in, kid has heart and talent - get games into him and look to the future. Sorry Seb, love his endeavour, but it's time to step down.
We are in a world of pain right now, not much is working - but hey, we have pick 4 in the mid season draft! I hope we don't pick that 'from the clouds' Sandy long term prospect - at least I'll be interested in footy during the week with a high draft pick.
That's funny, I was watching the drivel being served up over here, and I thought...I bet feckin' Sully is luuurvin this shite.Should have heard me during the game mate
Bonner's scrub kick... "f'k'n tomjoad!!"
Henry burns everyone and hits the post "damn you tomjoad!!"
etc
What about this then ? It's as funny, maybe more ? 12 x 5 minute episodes right here. Classic stuff.That's funny, I was watching the drivel being served up over here, and I thought...I bet feckin' Sully is luuurvin this shite.