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The president needs to explain the process and thinking behind turfing ratten and why they got lying back
I thought it was pretty obvious? They didn't think Ratten was a good coach, so they decided to replace him.
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The president needs to explain the process and thinking behind turfing ratten and why they got lying back
Correcto mondo mate.I thought it was pretty obvious? They didn't think Ratten was a good coach, so they decided to replace him.
All you say.How about the basics like running a game out and not downing tools? Let's just get 22 players who do the job we pay them for first before worrying about who is vocal enough. In the last quarter yesterday the ball got turned over in front of the MCC and Ross and Steele were basically next to each other. Ross was back in defensive 50 before Steele got over half way.
But pick 3 will save us...
Dow will fit in just fine, he just needs to get it, get clear and give it off to Hill/Henry,Nas. It's a simple job he's got the tools to do well.Dow only looked OK at Carlton because he had Sam Walsh, Cripps and Cerra to make up for his shortcomings. Don't really think he was the right fit for us tbh.
I'm done with Bonner.Gineb the Zebs win yesterday, what changes would you make?
Membrey for Caminiti
Hotton for Collard
Crouch for Ross
Ari for Bonner
Keeler and Clark close as well IMO
Would be nice that if we got pick 4 we actually got to choose the 4th best player in the draft.Please please please if we finish in the bottom 4 .... can we please get our 1st round draft pick correct ..... a generation gun mid .... please lord let it be so![]()
Dow will fit in just fine, he just needs to get it, get clear and give it off to Hill/Henry,Nas. It's a simple job he's got the tools to do well.
Regarding the dump kick, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite of what Ross is trying to get us to do. There's intentional "dirty ball" so as not to give May/Tomlinson a good look at it, and there's "if I get it down to our forwards, it's their problem not mine anymore". That Steele/Ross/Marshall keep doing it , unnecessarily, is probably a sign that Ross is bringing in players to play a gamestyle that our long-term stalwarts are either not up to, or they played a static boring style under Richo/Ratts for so long that it's ingrained in them. The old with the new doesn't seem to be gelling.
As for Seb, he might not be in the worst half dozen players on the ground, but giving us as little as he is, his lack of dare, the need for Crouch/Clark to come in, and the fact that Steele is pretty much undroppable, he might find himself at Sandy. Ross seems to be happy with Stocker, and Steele/Stocker/Windy/Ross/Dow in the guts is way too much "meh."
I do like Ross in the team when he gets forward, he tends to be able to slot them and find the odd target.
Oh, and Collard needs more colourful hair and boots. But seriously, I think he needs game time with Henry/Hill/Nas so they get used to looking for him and finding him, or at least giving him some kind of chance when he gives himself one. But at his size/strength, he's not going to be able to hold onto (or break) any tackles at all at this level so he's probably just not ready tbh.
Would be nice that if we got pick 4 we actually got to choose the 4th best player in the draft.
I don't think you can play a match with 4 players, so yeah working with the other forwards goes without saying. I'm talking about when he gets clear and isn't being noticed or trusted by the ball user.Why does Collard need game time with those three and not with King/Membrey/Caminiti/Sharman/Hayes or other St Kilda players?
And if Seb is giving us "little", then the other B&F winners yesterday must have been in negative territory. #seblibel
Yesterday Seb offered more than Steele IMO. We can't score, Seb had two goal assists (excellent, considered kicks to Higgins), let's drop him. Does Steele tackle well? Lots of St Kilda tackles don't end up in a ball-up or a holding the ball free kick, the only two acceptable results from a tackle.I don't think you can play a match with 4 players, so yeah working with the other forwards goes without saying. I'm talking about when he gets clear and isn't being noticed or trusted by the ball user.
As for Seb, and as I said, someone has to make way for Crouch/Clark and eventually Matteus, possibly Hotton down the track. Steele is skipper, tackles well, and seems valued by RTB. Dow/Windy/Henry are the future. He mentioned Stocker a bunch of times in the presser. Who do you think is going to make way? Seb is going to need to offer a lot more than he has been lately to hold his spot imo, you're free to feel differently. It's not like the Richo days where he has to play his tried & true to keep his job. RTB/Enright etc are secure and looking to the future.
OK, so you're saying drop Steele then if we want Crouch/Clark to come in.Yesterday Seb offered more than Steele IMO. We can't score, Seb had two goal assists (excellent, considered kicks to Higgins), let's drop him. Does Steele tackle well? Lots of St Kilda tackles don't end up in a ball-up or a holding the ball free kick, the only two acceptable results from a tackle.
If Seb is dropped after that game before others, it's more confirmation about what is valued at the club.
I phrased it incorrectly sorry. Would be nice to get the 4th best player in the country with the 4th pick in the draft. FS and Academy rules are an absolute joke, like pretty much every aspect of the AFL. Potluck. Collingwood, Geelong and Dogs won the Lotto and we couldn't even win a meat tray. And as we're all aware we're immune from luck. What is it? 152 years of mediocrity with a few outliers is testament to that.All you need to do is change how you see it.
Father/sons, academy players etc aren't in reality in the draft.
They just get to the club they were always going to be funnelled to by having their name read out on draft night.
That's the reality.
You can't bemoan missing out on something you were never allowed to have a realistic shot at.
So yeah- look at the realities and then you get your wish...
We will get the 4th best player who is actually in the draft.
Yesterday Seb offered more than Steele IMO. We can't score, Seb had two goal assists (excellent, considered kicks to Higgins), let's drop him. Does Steele tackle well? Lots of St Kilda tackles don't end up in a ball-up or a holding the ball free kick, the only two acceptable results from a tackle.
If Seb is dropped after that game before others, it's more confirmation about what is valued at the club.
As a result, I believe we're blessed to have more appreciation of all the smaller things in life.I phrased it incorrectly sorry. Would be nice to get the 4th best player in the country with the 4th pick in the draft. FS and Academy rules are an absolute joke, like pretty much every aspect of the AFL. Potluck. Collingwood, Geelong and Dogs won the Lotto and we couldn't even win a meat tray. And as we're all aware we're immune from luck. What is it? 152 years of mediocrity with a few outliers is testament to that.
This is a bit silly.
Jack Steele 11 contested possessions (S Ross 4), 4 score involvements (equal to S Ross), 10 marks (1 mark for Seb), 1 contested mark, 1 mark inside 50, 16 pressure acts (12 for Seb), 4 clearances (1 for Seb), 2 centre clearances, 2 tackles (Seb 0).
Surely there’s more prevailing issues than this.
Should we compare Seb's contested mark numbers to Max King's? The fact that Seb didn't attend a CBA yesterday should tell you they were playing somewhat different roles.
Steele is not as good as Seb kicking the ball inside 50 on the evidence of things seen. And we struggle to score.
I thought Steele losing weight was supposed to make it easier for him to run? Because out of Seb and El Capitano, only one of them was running as required in the last quarter.
Is Steele being held to a higher standard? Yep. He's the captain, he should be setting the standard. He SHOULD be held to a higher standard. If he doesn't want to be (or act like it), he can give the job to someone else.
This is a bit silly.
Jack Steele 11 contested possessions (S Ross 4), 4 score involvements (equal to S Ross), 10 marks (1 mark for Seb), 1 contested mark, 1 mark inside 50, 16 pressure acts (12 for Seb), 4 clearances (1 for Seb), 2 centre clearances, 2 tackles (Seb 0).
Surely there’s more prevailing issues than this.
By all means, if you feel the need to compare Seb’s contested marks to Max Kings, knock yourself out lol.
Inside mids is a critical need right now, so if you’re going to hang your hat on keeping Ross in a side supposedly for entry to F50, we are seriously in a world of hurt.
We should be developing talent around Steele and the F50 who can transition the ball. If we’re relying on Seb Ross to do that, or alternatively Steele to do everything in the middle, that’s very alarming in itself.
Not being in there for a single CBA is hardly a convincing argument to suggest Seb will be in there next week with Crouch to come back.Pretty hard for seb to get a centre clearance when he wasn't in there even once.
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Meanwhile steeles 23 centre bounce attendences for 2 clearances is gross.
As was marshalls 23 for 0; and
Dow 17 cbas for 1 clearance.
Yet again, jack sinclair showed he's basically the only bloke on our entire list capable of winning a centre clearance
(unless you love seeing roma grab the ball and slam it on his boot down the oppo defenders throat all day)
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Sincs had his 4 centre clearances off 25 cbas.
He's been agitating behind the scenes about the academies.The president needs to explain how the club intends to overcome the impossible challenge of bringing in talent when even with a high pick in a draft, GCS, GWS, Sydney and Brisbane have the first 25 picks on a yearly basis.
Not being in there for a single CBA is hardly a convincing argument to suggest Seb will be in there next week with Crouch to come back.
Even in his current role, there'll be pressure coming. Clark has kicked some good goals lately and is a better ball user.
All you say.
But, despite the slightly sarcastic comment about pick 3 - no it wont "save us", but it will deliver more talent.
Which is what we need much more of.
I'm not an expert on footy plans, and structures etc by any means, but all I could see yesterday was players guarding space and allowing so many easy opposition marks. Wouldn't man on man be the better tactic?
Pretty hard for seb to get a centre clearance when he wasn't in there even once.
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Meanwhile steeles 23 centre bounce attendences for 2 clearances is gross.
As was marshalls 23 for 0; and
Dow 17 cbas for 1 clearance.
Yet again, jack sinclair showed he's basically the only bloke on our entire list capable of winning a centre clearance
(unless you love seeing roma grab the ball and slam it on his boot down the oppo defenders throat all day)
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Sincs had his 4 centre clearances off 25 cbas.
I wasn't suggesting seb would or should be in the centre square.
I just raised that in response to littlecreatures who compared sebs centre clearances to steeles.