Preview Round 13 - Essendon Bombers vs Carlton Blues - Sunday, June 11th - 7:15 pm - For The Emblem!!!

[Squeaky]

That is why beating them when they come with the fire would be a huge step forward for the club as a whole, let alone the team we put on the park this week.

It really would be a huge step for us.
It's last chance saloon for them.
I just can't see it happening. Not with their strengths and our deficiencies all aligned in their advantage.

 

[cAsEy_18]

It really would be a huge step for us.
It's last chance saloon for them.
I just can't see it happening. Not with their strengths and our deficiencies all aligned in their advantage.

What about their deficiency of sucking and our strength of being awesome?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

With Wright coming in I think I prefer as a straight swap with Weideman, who’s badly down in confidence, and leave Phillips to play as second ruck so Wright plays 100% as a forward

 

[Megabattimus]

With Wright coming in I think I prefer as a straight swap with Weideman, who’s badly down in confidence, and leave Phillips to play as second ruck so Wright plays 100% as a forward

I'd rather have all three play (Weid, Wright, resting ruck) and either drop one of the smalls or just go Shiel out for Wright. Let's really stretch the Blues and their backline.

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[TheGreatBarryB]

I'd rather have all three play (Weid, Wright, resting ruck) and either drop one of the smalls or just go Shiel out for Wright. Let's really stretch the Blues and their backline.

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That’ll leave Wright, Weid, Phillips, Langford and Stringer forward. One big too many I think

 

[Squeaky]

What about their deficiency of sucking and our strength of being awesome?

I just couldn't quantify it

 

[Godzke]

Been thinking a bit about this game over the course of the week and settled on the view that the best way to combat Curnow & Mckay is not through overthinking 1-1 match ups but stacking the midfield and applying maximum heat on their i50 delivery to force a turnover. I think Stringer is the key here. Particularly without Parish and Setterfield, he is our best extractor in a contest and has shown genuine defensive pressure (equal top for tackles, Ti50 and 2nd for PAs out of the Essendon players vs North). This means more genuine midfield minutes and not just CBAs.

I think we should look at more of a pagan paddock forward set up with an extra number at the contest. North played an extra number at the contest and murdered us because he wanted to play our extra as the loose man in defence. Don't like that. If Carlton get on a run, then maybe consider it as Plan B, but I'd like to see us put an extra number at the stoppage. Just means we need to be ready to the lower the eyes for the short option and not bomb it out of the clearance.

Another key player for us in winning and applying heat at the contests is McGrath. Need to release him of back pocket duties, bring in Kelly and push Pidge up into the contest to apply that extra heat.

Still torn between Flip and Weideman. Weids has been ordinary the last few weeks.

In: Wright, Kelly
Out: Shiel, Weid

We've joked about North playing their GF against us ... this will be Carlton's GF this week. I reckon it will be really hard to beat them.

 

[DallasCrane316]

Been thinking a bit about this game over the course of the week and settled on the view that the best way to combat Curnow & Mckay is not through overthinking 1-1 match ups but stacking the midfield and applying maximum heat on their i50 delivery to force a turnover. I think Stringer is the key here. Particularly without Parish and Setterfield, he is our best extractor in a contest and has shown genuine defensive pressure (equal top for tackles, Ti50 and 2nd for PAs out of the Essendon players vs North). This means more genuine midfield minutes and not just CBAs.

I think we should look at more of a pagan paddock forward set up with an extra number at the contest. North played an extra number at the contest and murdered us because he wanted to play our extra as the loose man in defence. Don't like that. If Carlton get on a run, then maybe consider it as Plan B, but I'd like to see us put an extra number at the stoppage. Just means we need to be ready to the lower the eyes for the short option and not bomb it out of the clearance.

Another key player for us in winning and applying heat at the contests is McGrath. Need to release him of back pocket duties, bring in Kelly and push Pidge up into the contest to apply that extra heat.

Still torn between Flip and Weideman. Weids has been ordinary the last few weeks.

In: Wright, Kelly
Out: Shiel, Weid

We've joked about North playing their GF against us ... this will be Carlton's GF this week. I reckon it will be really hard to beat them.

I would be keen to see how Weideman and Wright both go in the same team.

Weid wouldn’t be getting the best defender. And with Stringer/Langford in the forward line, there would be times when he gets the third defender.

May do very well in that instance. Tough call but Scott has been pretty positive about Weid in his pressers (including after the North game)

 

[quotemokc]

Weideman and Phillips cannot play in the same team.

 

[Keystone agony]

Cleary saying today Shiel still a chan e and Cox being strongly considered

I assume 1 plays based on that

 

[fishardansin]

Weideman and Phillips cannot play in the same team.

I endorse this message.

Out: Phillips Shiel (injured)
In: Wright Cox

Massimo playing and Heppel as sub.

 

[Bombers36]

OUT: Weideman, Shiel, Hind
IN: 2MP, Massimo, Kelly


Ridley Zerk Kelly
Redman Lav McGrath
Martin Hobbs Durham
Perkins 2MP Massimo
Langford Draper Guelfi

Phillips Stringer Merrett

Bench: Caldwell Snelling Menzie Heppell
SUB: Cox or Hind


Stinger must play lots of minutes on the ball, Hobbs, Caldwell, Perkins will all be crucial.
We need to try break even with their mids if we are to set up to win this game - last week against North they got on top in this area and nearly pinched the game from us…!!

 

[jdstorm]

Been thinking a bit about this game over the course of the week and settled on the view that the best way to combat Curnow & Mckay is not through overthinking 1-1 match ups but stacking the midfield and applying maximum heat on their i50 delivery to force a turnover. I think Stringer is the key here. Particularly without Parish and Setterfield, he is our best extractor in a contest and has shown genuine defensive pressure (equal top for tackles, Ti50 and 2nd for PAs out of the Essendon players vs North). This means more genuine midfield minutes and not just CBAs.

I think we should look at more of a pagan paddock forward set up with an extra number at the contest. North played an extra number at the contest and murdered us because he wanted to play our extra as the loose man in defence. Don't like that. If Carlton get on a run, then maybe consider it as Plan B, but I'd like to see us put an extra number at the stoppage. Just means we need to be ready to the lower the eyes for the short option and not bomb it out of the clearance.

Another key player for us in winning and applying heat at the contests is McGrath. Need to release him of back pocket duties, bring in Kelly and push Pidge up into the contest to apply that extra heat.

Still torn between Flip and Weideman. Weids has been ordinary the last few weeks.

In: Wright, Kelly
Out: Shiel, Weid

We've joked about North playing their GF against us ... this will be Carlton's GF this week. I reckon it will be really hard to beat them.

McGraths an awful ball user and is in the back pocket because the stuff he’s bad at doesn’t doesn’t matter as much there.

The only place I’d want him on ball is the VFL. He’s too good of a 1 on 1 defender for that so just plonk him in the back pocket and hope for the best.

The players to push back into the midfield should come from the forward line to give them some more space.

 

[Don Won]

McGraths an awful ball user and is in the back pocket because the stuff he’s bad at doesn’t doesn’t matter as much there.

Mmmm - i don’t think that was the reason they moved him back.

 

[jdstorm]

Mmmm - i don’t think that was the reason they moved him back.

I’m someone who rates McGrath far lower than the average person so I think you’re right.

I think they moved him there because they believe he played his best footy there in the past and because with the abundance of small midfielders he was easier to move positions as moving him was most likely to succeed compared to moving other players without a history of success at other positions

 

[Don Won]

I remember seeing a conversation earlier in the week about us being 18th for transition defence, thought that this tweet from CD was promising ahead of our game Sunday

 

[Runk]

I just want one thing: infinite pain for Carlton, it's players, coaches, staff, employees, members & fans.

Is that too much to ask?

 

[Don Won]

I just want one thing: infinite pain for Carlton, it's players, coaches, staff, employees, members & fans.

Is that too much to ask?

Mmmm, showerfraud.

 

[ant555]

I remember seeing a conversation earlier in the week about us being 18th for transition defence, thought that this tweet from CD was promising ahead of our game Sunday

The stat about us being 18th as far as stopping ball movement out of our 50 is flawed as part of our defensive plan has been to allow the outside as much as possible to protect the middle and intercept in the back 50 . Despite us ranking 18th we also ranked around 6th for stopping scoring inside 50.
We will need to improve more but what we are trying to do now is force sides to kick it to where we want to defend.
In all the games we have really only had 4 or 5 bad quarters for the season. It is no surprise our defensive rating is improving as we go along and work better as a team .
The next step will be forcing the intercept to be 70 or 80 meters out rather than inside 50.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

With Wright coming in I think I prefer as a straight swap with Weideman, who’s badly down in confidence, and leave Phillips to play as second ruck so Wright plays 100% as a forward

i 100% agree

the only argument that is if wright comes back it will allow weed to play on the #2 or #3 defender (if Langford stays in fwd line). But he is seriously down on confidence.

 

[jannissary]

I remember seeing a conversation earlier in the week about us being 18th for transition defence, thought that this tweet from CD was promising ahead of our game Sunday

we’ve definitely improved on actually defending up the ground more & i think that does come with leverede being back in the team, but it was still super apparent at times that there were tons of norf players free when they moved it fast

 

[andleanback]

I'd rather have all three play (Weid, Wright, resting ruck) and either drop one of the smalls or just go Shiel out for Wright. Let's really stretch the Blues and their backline.

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Way too bulky forward line with stringer and langford down there. You’d only really try to stretch them if weid and Phillips were actual aerial threats.

 

[rumply]

 

[Don Won]

The stat about us being 18th as far as stopping ball movement out of our 50 is flawed as part of our defensive plan has been to allow the outside as much as possible to protect the middle and intercept in the back 50 . Despite us ranking 18th we also ranked around 6th for stopping scoring inside 50.
We will need to improve more but what we are trying to do now is force sides to kick it to where we want to defend.
In all the games we have really only had 4 or 5 bad quarters for the season. It is no surprise our defensive rating is improving as we go along and work better as a team .
The next step will be forcing the intercept to be 70 or 80 meters out rather than inside 50.

Yep it's been a solid strategy, and really easy to implement there is just no confusion.

However, I'm hoping that we start working on the next phase of our defence after the bye, I'd much rather see us battle with the game plan this year than next year.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Weideman and Wright will both play I reckon.
Massimo to the main squad.
Cox as sub. Snelling to say in if Shiel is out.

Assuming Shiel plays:
Out: Snelling (form), Phillips (structure).
In: Wright, Cox.