Round 14 vs Melbourne Pre-Game Discussion thread

[BlueWorld]

He just gives you nothing though BB. He had no impact at all over the game today, and whilst he wasn't alone, he should be delivering more than he is. I agree that Pagan is playing him out of position, and I think a week or 2 in the reserves might just give him a wake up call.

Usually he gets criticized for being loose and unaccountable and allowing his opponent too much freedom. So did that happen? How much impact did his opponent have? How many players beat or limited their opponent?

If you think he'll be dropped this week I'm more than happy to bet you he won't!

 

[jj1978]

Re: Side this week:

I was thinking about playing our under 12 side?? Thoughts?

 

[Bluebear]

Usually he gets criticized for being loose and unaccountable and allowing his opponent too much freedom. So did that happen? How much impact did his opponent have? How many players beat or limited their opponent?

If you think he'll be dropped this week I'm more than happy to bet you he won't!

Tend to agree.
If he can do a similar job on Bruce to what he did on Black it will go a long way to helping us win.

 

[blues4flag]

Usually he gets criticized for being loose and unaccountable and allowing his opponent too much freedom. So did that happen? How much impact did his opponent have? How many players beat or limited their opponent?

If you think he'll be dropped this week I'm more than happy to bet you he won't!

Exactly. He's our scapegoat and always his name is thrown up, regardless of how he plays. He definitely wasn't our worst on the weekend, and will not be dropped.

 

[deluxeman]

Given the recent events...

Out: Fevola, Saddington, Young
In: Kennedy, Bower, Grigg

 

[blues4flag]

Given the recent events...

Out: Fevola, Saddington, Young
In: Kennedy, Bower, Grigg

If Walker's fit, him in for Banno also.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Assuming Walker will miss again.

Back: Anderson O'hAilpin Bannister
HB: Scotland Thornton Gibbs
Cent: Simpson Carrazzo Russell
HF: Wiggins Hartlett Houlihan
For: Betts Waite Fisher
Ruck: Ackland Bentick Murphy
Int: Grigg Kennedy Bower Koutoufides
Emer: Blackwell Saddington Young

In: Bower Grigg Anderson Kennedy
Out: Fevola Saddington Lappin Young

Would like to give a couple of others a rest too but we don't have the depth. Walker will replace Bannister if he is fit.

 

[Mayesy_23]

Definite Ins: Walker (Going on what Pagan said)
Definite Outs: Fevola

So what I'd like to see
Out: Saddington, Fevola, Bannister, Lappin, Young
In: Walker, Grigg, Anderson, Bower, Kennedy

 

[deluxeman]

Assuming Walker will miss again.

Back: Anderson O'hAilpin Bannister
HB: Scotland Thornton Gibbs
Cent: Simpson Carrazzo Russell
HF: Wiggins Hartlett Houlihan
For: Betts Waite Fisher
Ruck: Ackland Bentick Murphy
Int: Grigg Kennedy Bower Koutoufides
Emer: Blackwell Saddington Young

In: Bower Grigg Anderson Kennedy
Out: Fevola Saddington Lappin Young

Would like to give a couple of others a rest too but we don't have the depth. Walker will replace Bannister if he is fit.

I think I read that Anderson re-injured his hammy yesterday...

 

[Mayesy_23]

Looks like we're on the same train ODN's

 

[one_twelve112]

Assuming Walker will miss again.

Back: Anderson O'hAilpin Bannister
HB: Scotland Thornton Gibbs
Cent: Simpson Carrazzo Russell
HF: Wiggins Hartlett Houlihan
For: Betts Waite Fisher
Ruck: Ackland Bentick Murphy
Int: Grigg Kennedy Bower Koutoufides
Emer: Blackwell Saddington Young

In: Bower Grigg Anderson Kennedy
Out: Fevola Saddington Lappin Young


Would like to give a couple of others a rest too but we don't have the depth. Walker will replace Bannister if he is fit.

Young - 2 goals and named in the best, can you drop him?
Anderson - reportedly injured a hamstring


Would Edwards be a chance to replace Waite on the HF line if Waite starts at FF?

 

[Bluebear]

Assuming Walker will miss again.

Back: Anderson O'hAilpin Bannister
HB: Scotland Thornton Gibbs
Cent: Simpson Carrazzo Russell
HF: Wiggins Hartlett Houlihan
For: Betts Waite Fisher
Ruck: Ackland Bentick Murphy
Int: Grigg Kennedy Bower Koutoufides
Emer: Blackwell Saddington Young

In: Bower Grigg Anderson Kennedy
Out: Fevola Saddington Lappin Young

Would like to give a couple of others a rest too but we don't have the depth. Walker will replace Bannister if he is fit.

Think Ando did his Hammy again based on the reports from the Ants thread. Lappin may get a reprieve.

I like the idea of Banno on Robbo to free up tex for the middle, but he will be on his last chance. Needs to keep this up for a new contract.

 

[The Grover]

Re: Side this week:

This is the side I'd play this week. I would have liked to give some more of the young guys a go but in truth none of them deserve it except for Grigg and maybe Blackwell or Austin. I'd also love to be able to drop some other poor performers but there is no-one to replace them with.I'm still concerned that I've gone to tall.

B B.Thornton S.O'hAilpin H.Scotland
HB R.Houlihan A.Hartlett S.Grigg
C K.Simpson A.Carrazzo B.Gibbs
HF R. Young J.Waite S.Wiggins
F E.Betts B.Fevola B.Fisher
OB C.Hackland A.Walker M.Murphy
I/C Kouta J. Russell A.Bentick L.Blackwell

In: S.Grigg (has been impressive and deserves a go)
L.Blackwell (at least he contributes and runs all day)
Walker

Out: Saddington, Lappin, Bannister (may be safe though as he is a good matchup for Robbo)

In analysing some of the positions:

Sentanta at fullback: This is where he should be developed as we desperately need a negating defender to take on the monster fowards. He is not going to be a ruckman so I don't want us wasting anymore time playing him there. He should go with Neitz all day.

Ackland in the ruck: Unlike previous weeks I'd like Ackland to tough it out playing about 80% (very hard I know)of the game in the ruck. I'd play Hartlett and Kouta there for the other 20%.

Hartlett: Should play centre half back if there is an opponent for him.

Gibbs: Enough of this back pocket sh^t. Play him in the midfield. He's learned enough in the backline.

Walker: I'd like to see him play on the ball for 4 quarters. Against Port he played very well and I'd like to see if he is up to it again.

Waite: I'd actually consider puting him in the middle for extended periods to see how he goes.


There is also an argument to bring in Kennedy but he did nothing in the VFL today. I might comtemplate bringing him in as a backup ruckman or possibly just playing him at CHF for 4 quarters. He might play better at AFL level as the side is not as unbalanced.


Thoughts?

A couple of new isssues to address, Fev is out this week, Neitz probably won't play.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Hmmm, based on Ando's injury, if Walks is fit, he comes back in and Bannister stays. I would love to move Gibbs out to half back at least.

 

[mightymightyblues]

Re: Side this week:

B:Saddington S.O'hAilpin R.Houlihan
HB: H.Scotland Thornton Gibbs
C: K.Simpson A.Carrazzo Bentick
HF: Kennedy Fisher S.Wiggins
F: E.Betts Waite Hartlett
OB: C.Ackland A.Walker M.Murphy
I/C: Grigg J. Russell L.Blackwell Kouta Young

Would like to see Hartlett get a go in the fp and waite at ff. Grigg should get a short run this week as well.
IN: Walker,Grigg,Kennedy
OUT: Fevola,Bannister.

 

[as0l0]

Re: Side this week:

nice post marcmurphy3. i like your ideas except for Hartlett at CHB, he did his best work at half forward. just need someone for Fev now. Does that help Kennedy?

 

[mike ockerts]

so who comes in this week?

with fev not there this week, who comes in?

 

[jj1978]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Well one would suspect if Walker is fit again he'll be in.

The question is who else do we drop?

I'd have Waite at Full Forward this week and bring in Kennedy at CHF.

 

[mike ockerts]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Well one would suspect if Walker is fit again he'll be in.

The question is who else do we drop?

I'd have Waite at Full Forward this week and bring in Kennedy at CHF.

kennedy is the logical choice, but does josh deserve to come in, i see he had a quiet day for the ants this week, then again, so did most of the team.

 

[jj1978]

Re: so who comes in this week?

kennedy is the logical choice, but does josh deserve to come in, i see he had a quiet day for the ants this week, then again, so did most of the team.

The reason I'd go for Josh, during the weeks he was playing prior to the Fev decoy thing, Fev was focal point.

Now Josh if he has more brains than Fev (99.999999% guaranteed) will know this is his chance to be that focal point and strut his stuff.

CMON JK!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Waite at FF, Hartlett to stay at CHF and Kennedy on the bench as back up ruck so Setanta can go to FB.

 

[Jeremias]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Out: Fevola

In: Kennedy

Is the only definite change. Players like Houlihan and even Scotland should be dropped because they don't play for the club. Grigg could replace one and we know that he would play with intensity and for the club. Anderson would replace the other, but he's injured. Walker, if fit, could replace one of them.

I know I'll get shot down for this, but I'd rather Teague in the team for Houlihan and Scotland-at least Teague would play for the team.

 

[Bluebear]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Given the Dees lack of height up forward we could afford to go a little shorter this game, so Saddo may be "released" to the Ants.
Denis flagged wanting some pace back so:

Out: Fevola, Saddington, ?Young
In: Kennedy, Bower/Grigg, Walker

If walker is fit he may come in for Young, otherwise Grigg may do the same.
Lappin is lucky Fev has had such bad week. I think they will leave him in to see if he responds to fev's suspension by putting in an effort.
Otherwise he could be next, and his career over.

 

[jj1978]

Re: so who comes in this week?

Out: Fevola

In: Kennedy

Is the only definite change. Players like Houlihan and even Scotland should be dropped because they don't play for the club. Grigg could replace one and we know that he would play with intensity and for the club. Anderson would replace the other, but he's injured. Walker, if fit, could replace one of them.

I know I'll get shot down for this, but I'd rather Teague in the team for Houlihan and Scotland-at least Teague would play for the team.

It would be cruel to play a player when he himself, the team, and the supporters know he'll be delisted next year.

Much rather have a young kid sit on the pine for 80% of the game and get a feel for the big time.

 

[Jeremias]

Re: so who comes in this week?

It would be cruel to play a player when he himself, the team, and the supporters know he'll be delisted next year.

Like Bannister? We need players who have a heart and are willng to play for the team rather than for themselves. Teague is that man.

Much rather have a young kid sit on the pine for 80% of the game and get a feel for the big time.

If the kids are ready, then and only then should they be considered. There's no point having a kid sit on the pine for the majority of the game. Let them develop in the Ants where they will play more than 5 minutes.

At the end of the day, right now we need players that play for the jumper and are willing to put their body on the line for the club. Right now, I'd prefer Teague in the team to both Houlihan and Scotland. Those 2 are meant to show leadership and experience-and they show nothing of the sort. They are a disgrace.