Preview Round 16, 2023 - Brisbane Lions vs. Richmond

[dlanod]

Apart maybe from Jesus, I cannot think of a person - fictional or non-fictional - with a better track record of getting people up and running.

Just don't ask what happened to the guy taken in the MSD...

 

[M Malice]

Apart maybe from Jesus, I cannot think of a person - fictional or non-fictional - with a better track record of getting people up and running.

 

[Viceregal]

So at this stage basically saying it's a Port v Lions GF.

the forecast changes a lot one week it was Pie beating us by 1 then it was us beating them by 1 then we were out in the game before and once in the first final etc etc

It's also where I get mytip postings from... eg

Brisbane Lions 92 - 70 Richmond

Gabba (QLD)
HGA:

+6.5 pts
Ins/Outs:

+0.0 pts

So if we won 112 to 60 we did better both offensively and defensively and our icon would move both up and to the right a bit.

 

[On the quiet]

We need to talk more about Starcevich. Hasn’t been great this year and is the weak link in back 6. He can shut down his opponent but he’s fast become a turn over merchant. Adopted the Answerth boot it out of my problem area tactic for it to go to opposition and come back in twice as cleanly. Hoping he can improve his thinking and dislikes this game.

Huge danger. Rioli always on his best against us.

I believe he was named one of the Lions best against the Swans. Not playing as well as early last season, but still very solid in the backline for mine

 

[SizeMatters]

Huh?

Papley and Butler shut down in the past few weeks

Rioli plays down back

Weird opinion

Why is it weird? He turns it over the most out of our defenders. Also No shit Rioli plays back line thanks for pointing out the obvious. Doesn’t mean he can’t dominate us ….

 

[martinson]

I haven't noticed Starcevich much at all in our recent games. Nor his opponents.

So I figure he's doing a good job.

 

[SizeMatters]

Huh?

Papley and Butler shut down in the past few weeks

Rioli plays down back

Weird opinion

Tbh the more I read this the more confused I am at your response. Are you trying to rebuke my opinion? If so I’d suggest actually responding to my concerns instead of posting something we both agree on? Cus I Never said he can’t shut down players… he’s arguably the best in the business. I suggested his disposals aren’t great. Totally different … right?

 

[Section 5]

I don't feel as confident as the bookies.
Early in the day we were $1.36

Then again, we were favorite in all our losses.

 

[dean33]

Apart maybe from Jesus, I cannot think of a person - fictional or non-fictional - with a better track record of getting people up and running.

True although you have to be dead first!

 

[Section 5]

Prestia a big out but they may get Hopper back

 

[Dalions]

Prestia a big out but they may get Hopper back
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Big downgrade

 

[Grasshopper17]

Fullarton in for Fort. But Fullarton comes into the 22 so somebody has to go out. Lohmann perhaps becomes the sub altho this is now getting above my pay grade

Bottom line is I'd simply like to see how Tom goes, and now is a good time to give him a go while we are 2 games clear of 5th.

On Zorko, he was "hopeful" of playing on Thursday night this morning on SEN which is very unlike Zorks. He nearly always declares himself fit and ready to go. So my early thoughts are he is no chance for Thursday night.



Completely different opponent to St Kilda. The keys for mine will be

• How we go around contests. Will we get sucked in to the ball or will we have the discipline to hold our positioning and stop them from being able to chain out or surge kick forward?
• How will our defence go with the ball likely to spend more time on the ground than against other teams? I'm not advocating this, but could we go smaller and maybe bring Madden in for say Lester?
• Can we stop Vlastuin and Grimes playing big roles as intercept markers? Another reason I'd like Fullarton to play and keep them more accountable.
• Should Charlie wear a custom made jersey and shorts combo that is so skin tight that it becomes bleeding obvious every time Grimes or whoever is trying to get in his pants?

 

[Grasshopper17]

Last thought... It will be absolutely right in our wheelhouse to be the first team this season to make a team coming off the bye actually look good

 

[Section 5]

Big downgrade

Agree but according to the Tigers board it is like for like.
Hopper has not played AFL since round 9.
I don't think he has played VFL either.

 

[Harris Specter]

Cumberland is the one I'm more worried about than Hopper. He will be a star

 

[Truetiger]

Cumberland is the one I'm more worried about than Hopper. He will be a star

Shouldn’t worry about someone we don’t play. Unsure why kid can be good.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Fullarton in for Fort. But Fullarton comes into the 22 so somebody has to go out. Lohmann perhaps becomes the sub altho this is now getting above my pay grade

Bottom line is I'd simply like to see how Tom goes, and now is a good time to give him a go while we are 2 games clear of 5th.

On Zorko, he was "hopeful" of playing on Thursday night this morning on SEN which is very unlike Zorks. He nearly always declares himself fit and ready to go. So my early thoughts are he is no chance for Thursday night.



Completely different opponent to St Kilda. The keys for mine will be

• How we go around contests. Will we get sucked in to the ball or will we have the discipline to hold our positioning and stop them from being able to chain out or surge kick forward?
• How will our defence go with the ball likely to spend more time on the ground than against other teams? I'm not advocating this, but could we go smaller and maybe bring Madden in for say Lester?
• Can we stop Vlastuin and Grimes playing big roles as intercept markers? Another reason I'd like Fullarton to play and keep them more accountable.
• Should Charlie wear a custom made jersey and shorts combo that is so skin tight that it becomes bleeding obvious every time Grimes or whoever is trying to get in his pants?

I would like to see how Fullarton would go in the seniors but I want Fort to play a couple of games where he rucks quite a bit, giving Oscar a rest, and ensuring Oscar is 'cherry ripe' for every last quarter.

It appears we may have depth but we don't get to use it.

 

[Dalions]

I would like to see how Fullarton would go in the seniors but I want Fort to play a couple of games where he rucks quite a bit, giving Oscar a rest, and ensuring Oscar is 'cherry ripe' for every last quarter.

It appears we may have depth but we don't get to use it.

To some extent I agree, but I also think that Oscar is getting better and better as the year progresses, wouldn’t want to mess with that personally.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Should be a good game for us. We set the bar in terms of effort last week - now we have to maintain it from here on out.

We should have Richmond's measure quite comfortably given this game's at the Gabba, but with our fluctuating effort levels from week to week anything's possible in regards to the result of this game. Richmond still have some good personnel out on the field so if we're off the boil early they have the capacity to get on a roll. Hopefully the form lines of teams post-bye continues (although it wouldn't surprise me at all if we were the team to buck that trend).

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'm guessing/hoping this isn't another milestone game for a Richmond player?

 

[3KZ is Football]

At the selection table the the question that should be asked is where do we need to improve, in the midfield or forward line? Clearly, there is no need to contemplate a change to our defence, which is looking stronger and more cohesive than it has for a couple of seasons. So Fagan and the selectors need to put their thinking caps on and consider the following.

Do we bolster our midfield?
If Zorko is fit and ready to go, the answer is yes and he comes in for Lohmann. That is the easiest and most obvious decision. Zorko takes Bailey’s place in midfield rotations, McCluggage and Berry stay on their respective wings and we very much look like we have our ‘Best 22’ playing. The question is, what if Zorko doesn’t come up? In that case, and if you think the midfield still needs a boost, including Lyons for Lohmann makes sense. Including a genuine inside mid means we can generate forward ball movement and keep McCluggage and Berry out of the middle and on the wings, where they play their best football. Having a genuine midfielder out there will also help if Fagan puts Daniher into the ruck, because we get killed out of the middle when he does.

Do we bolster our forward line?
Having started the year tactically committed to three tall forwards, we have moved away from that at the selection table after Gunston dropped himself. Playing Fort as a sub against St.Kilda was a tactical ‘non decision’ in some respects and I wonder if Fagan and co might think about a more assertive decision. Selecting Fort as a third tall option and maybe looking at Fullerton when he recovers from his hammy, makes sense in terms of Fagan’s early season tactical thinking. It also means that he can go a safer option and select a sub who is more mobile and can ‘pinch hit’ like Ah Chee. Under this scenario, you could drop Lohmann, select Fort and use Lohmann as Sub. Alternatively, you could select Fort and Lohmann and use Ah Chee as our sub.

I am expecting minimal changes, but Fagan has plenty of scope for this sort of ‘fine tuning’ before the Finals.

 

[Section 5]

At the selection table the the question that should be asked is where do we need to improve, in the midfield or forward line? Clearly, there is no need to contemplate a change to our defence, which is looking stronger and more cohesive than it has for a couple of seasons. So Fagan and the selectors need to put their thinking caps on and consider the following.

Do we bolster our midfield?
If Zorko is fit and ready to go, the answer is yes and he comes in for Lohmann. That is the easiest and most obvious decision. Zorko takes Bailey’s place in midfield rotations, McCluggage and Berry stay on their respective wings and we very much look like we have our ‘Best 22’ playing. The question is, what if Zorko doesn’t come up? In that case, and if you think the midfield still needs a boost, including Lyons for Lohmann makes sense. Including a genuine inside mid means we can generate forward ball movement and keep McCluggage and Berry out of the middle and on the wings, where they play their best football. Having a genuine midfielder out there will also help if Fagan puts Daniher into the ruck, because we get killed out of the middle when he does.

Do we bolster our forward line?
Having started the year tactically committed to three tall forwards, we have moved away from that at the selection table after Gunston dropped himself. Playing Fort as a sub against St.Kilda was a tactical ‘non decision’ in some respects and I wonder if Fagan and co might think about a more assertive decision. Selecting Fullerton as a third tall option makes sense in terms of Fagan’s early season tactical thinking. It also means that he can go a safer option and select a sub who is more mobile and can ‘pinch hit’ like Ah Chee. Under this scenario, you could drop Fort and Lohmann, select Fullerton and use Lohmann as Sub. Alternatively, you could leave Fort and Lohmann out and use Ah Chee as our sub.

I am expecting minimal changes, but Fagan has plenty of scope for this sort of ‘fine tuning’ before the Finals.

Some good suggestions on what we may do this week if Zorko is good to go.
I have been pushing for Fullarton just to see how that changes the forward dynamics.
Now is better than later, it either works or it does not.
If he gets a go he would have to play well as he may not get another opportunity unless injuries strike.

Lohmann got subbed out of the Saints game, so he is most likely at risk to be dropped or get the sub spot.
McCluggage looked like he played a lot more wing time. Was this because he was coming back from concussion. Maybe, maybe not ?.
I have always preferred McCluggage on the wing, but he is also a very good outside/inside midfielder.
So, i can see the clubs selection dilemma.
For most of the year the club has played him as the outside/inside mid with stints on the wing.

The club may want him on the wing but don't want to lose much moving him from the middle.
Also, McCluggage may have a preference for the middle over the wing, so we have to bear than in mind.
I think that is why Bailey has played a lot of midfield time the last two weeks.
He was very good v Swans and unlike a few posters on BF i thought he did well v Saints but down on the Swans game.
For now, i would stick with McCluggage mostly wing and Bailey mid/forward and less wing time.

When Zorko was injured, he was replaced by Dev. So that may be the in/out if Zorko available.
However, if McCluggage goes back into the middle Dev may get that wing spot.
Again, not Devs best position but i prefer him experience wise over Sharp, Prior and others.

We do have quite a few options which is better than the opposite.

If Zorko available
Out Dev - In Zorko
Out Lohmann - In Fullarton (sub Lohmann or anyone)
Out Fort (sub)

If Zorko unavailable.
Out Lohmann - In Fullarton (sub Lohmann or anyone)
Out Fort (sub)

 

[Sanchez365]

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Some good suggestions on what we may do this week if Zorko is good to go.
I have been pushing for Fullarton just to see how that changes the forward dynamics.
Now is better than later, it either works or it does not.
If he gets a go he would have to play well as he may not get another opportunity unless injuries strike.

Lohmann got subbed out of the Saints game, so he is most likely at risk to be dropped or get the sub spot.
McCluggage looked like he played a lot more wing time. Was this because he was coming back from concussion. Maybe, maybe not ?.
I have always preferred McCluggage on the wing, but he is also a very good outside/inside midfielder.
So, i can see the clubs selection dilemma.
For most of the year the club has played him as the outside/inside mid with stints on the wing.

The club may want him on the wing but don't want to lose much moving him from the middle.
Also, McCluggage may have a preference for the middle over the wing, so we have to bear than in mind.
I think that is why Bailey has played a lot of midfield time the last two weeks.
He was very good v Swans and unlike a few posters on BF i thought he did well v Saints but down on the Swans game.
For now, i would stick with McCluggage mostly wing and Bailey mid/forward and less wing time.

When Zorko was injured, he was replaced by Dev. So that may be the in/out if Zorko available.
However, if McCluggage goes back into the middle Dev may get that wing spot.
Again, not Devs best position but i prefer him experience wise over Sharp, Prior and others.

We do have quite a few options which is better than the opposite.

If Zorko available
Out Dev - In Zorko
Out Lohmann - In Fullarton (sub Lohmann or anyone)
Out Fort (sub)

If Zorko unavailable.
Out Lohmann - In Fullarton (sub Lohmann or anyone)
Out Fort (sub)

The issue I had with Bailey is his defensive presence around the middle of the ground has been pretty poor, especially his tacking. This is something that he's not alone in, I find Neale has similar issues. It's a symptom of them being smaller mids.

When they can use their speed to pressure from behind it's not as noticable as the player can't easily sidestep them. But when tackling from the front you have to make sure you stop the player you are targeting from keeping the ball moving forward. An arm out tackle that gets broken creates overlap and doesn't allow run from behind to pressure that next receiver, as you are now a man down Infront of the ball.

He's not alone in this, but I noticed it a few times in that second half where he made the wrong choice when being in the middle of the ground trying to stop the wave of players moving through.

 

[SizeMatters]

Plz no Fort as sub. Cmon fagan you’re better than that.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Plz no Fort as sub. Cmon fagan you’re better than that.

I agree. He either plays him or he doesn’t. If you think tactics and game plan - Fagan has got himself into a pickle completely of his own making.

Fagan was happy to play with three tall forwards as part of the game plan when Gunston was getting selected. That tactical approach may have been an absolute winner, but Gunston was in such terrible form, he was not able to be relied upon to execute it. So what does Fagan do? Gunston goes and so it appears does the three tall forward game plan. Rather than sticking with the tactical approach that was the basis of our forward structure, Fagan equivocates. The club has invested time and energy into Tom Fullerton, who at 24 years of age and 200cm is ready to make an impact, but despite good form in the reserves, he has not played a game this year. Remember in the Semi Final against Melbourne last year? Daniher couldn’t play and Fullerton came straight in, but now it seems Fagan’s three tall forward line is only a ‘thing’ when Gunston is available. It is a forward structure that seems to only be required when Fagan can select Gunston and nobody else. That’s why selecting Fort as a sub is such a weak choice. It’s like Fagan is only half committed to his previous structure. Fagan has also painted himself into a corner where Daniher is forced to ruck, which leaves us with one tall forward for parts of games. Not ideal.

So here is the thing, let’s imagine Gunston gets himself fit and Fagan, who I don’t think will require much convincing, decides to put him back into the senior side. You don’t need to be Nostradamus to work out what happens next. Yep, you guessed it, suddenly Fagan dusts off the Three Tall Forward structure to accommodate his old mate Gunston. The message here is simple, Fagan would be letting the ‘tail wag the dog’ by organising the whole forward line around how he can find a spot for a tall forward who will be 32 this year and who he signed to a multi-year deal. As for Fullerton, the message from Fagan appears to be there is no room in the seniors for you anymore, irrespective of your form or my former game plan. Same goes for you Fort.

This is just bad coaching.