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There were some positives, box hill won. Let’s move on and hope the scum lose to the suns
Autopsy Round 2, 2023: Sydney torch Hawthorn
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YesSo your sinking the boots into the forward coach and you dont even know who it is ?
The proof is out on the field
The arrogance of the mantra 'attacking football'! Somehow in the last few years many posters on this site got carried away with the hype. Football is simple. It has three phases 1. when you have the ball 2. when the opposition has the ball and 3. when the ball is in dispute. Just because we want to think we will always have the ball and be constantly in attack doesn't mean it will happen. Good coaching starts with the assumption that the opposition has the ball. and works from there. There is going to be a whole lot of pain before we get better. Maybe that's not so bad as it will take years to get the required draft picks.
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This
There’s much to be said about how we collapsed defensively (again) between the arcs in the second half.
You can get your ## clearances and ## contested possessions all you want, but if the opposition midfield are walking your turnover from D50 and kicking I50 with minimal pressure, then you’re not doing half your job are you?
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Our confidence is completely shot right now and explains the dropped chest marks, fumbles and indecision. We need a win badly.
One of Reeves or Meek have to go. Both show little to no physical presence around the ground. I want to see Meek throwing his body around like he was in the intra clubs. We need him to at least provide a contest around the ground, but at the moment he is getting easily outmarked by smaller players.
Was it my imagination, or did Finn go to Blakey early in the game? In any case, he should have been the one as he carved us up and will get the 3 votes.
Out: Reeves/Meek, CJ, Bramble
In: Lynch (if fit), Scrimshaw (if fit), Morrison (if fit)
One of Reeves or Meek have to go. Both show little to no physical presence around the ground. I want to see Meek throwing his body around like he was in the intra clubs. We need him to at least provide a contest around the ground, but at the moment he is getting easily outmarked by smaller players.
Was it my imagination, or did Finn go to Blakey early in the game? In any case, he should have been the one as he carved us up and will get the 3 votes.
Out: Reeves/Meek, CJ, Bramble
In: Lynch (if fit), Scrimshaw (if fit), Morrison (if fit)
Your not happy with teams walking it Coast to coast and kicking 9 straight and 13 straight ? And us looking like disorganised witches hats ?
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Yep.
They absolutely never suggested we would be literally uncompetitive.
Neither predicted this level of performance to start. The shock and disappointment is clear in the coaches box and pressers.
Suggesting we as fans were told to expect these first two weeks of performances is really just a cop out.
No-ones saying we had to win one or both, but the two performances have been awful and it's absolutely fair to call that out.
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Who is likely to go first pick in MSD? Is there a KP player of any note?
Only round 2, but I think we are a generation away. Some of the best of our current crop to develop mature bodies and the placeholders to be filtered out. The lack of genuine key position superstars forward (at this stage) and a true large framed full back the obvious deficiencies for me.
Not sure whether to play:
'It's a long way to the top...' ACDC
or
'Better in the shed.' Cosmic Pshychos
...leaning toward the latter after today's game.
Not sure whether to play:
'It's a long way to the top...' ACDC
or
'Better in the shed.' Cosmic Pshychos
...leaning toward the latter after today's game.
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Out: Impey
Second week in a row, he didn’t go in hard when it was his turn.
Absolutely squibed the contest.
Second week in a row, he didn’t go in hard when it was his turn.
Absolutely squibed the contest.
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100%. If he was holding the structure together for the young guys and mentoring them, then by all means keep him in there. He's doing the opposite.
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No defence is not easier to coach. Attack is trust me on this. Especially with young men its easy for them to be enthusiastic about attacking and playing an attacking game style. Its a lot harder to teach them to defend which requires a hell of lot more effort and focus and has less immediate reward associated with it.
In the modern game defensive structures are the key. Some structures are more effective than others.
The issue with us largely is that we do not have that connection as a team. It makes attacking hard and defending even harder. Sam and the coaching staff have a lot to work on
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I just want to say I'm kind of sick of the "cutting too deep" rhetoric. Whilst it makes for a convenient story to pin blame on people, it ignores the actual complexities of how we actually lost the last two weeks.
We lost 3 first team players. Gunston was gone, there was no changing that. The other two were Mitch and JOM. We were definitely aiming to trade out Mitch, so really, only contentious trade was JOM. I really doubt either or both those two changes today's result. The only real glaring error in hindsight, was probably not retaining Shiels for another season.
The reality is - our list, regardless of the losses last year, was not amazing.
But what I keep seeing, particularly with all the AFL "journalists", is they just lump all the lost players in one heap, and just go - "LOOK THEY CUT TOO MANY, SEE!". Yet no journo actually tries to analyse the tactics of the game and how systems broke down. Compare that to something like Tifo Football who analyse football (soccer) games in Europe, who look at games purely from a data/analytics perspective.
Mitchell is a good coach - he showed it at the Eagles, and showed it last year, where we arguably overperformed for our list. I'd probably say the break down of system is contributed to by a number of factors:
And more than anything, it's just clear we're a bit out of form and confidence. Three weeks ago, we played our brand of footy well against Pies in pre-season. We can play it, it's just we've got in our own heads.
One thing I will say, is do not listen to the rhetoric provided by Damien Barrett and all his echos/parrots. This storyline of "cutting too deep" was started by him, and overlooks much of what actually is at play. But for "Damo" - never lets facts stand in the way of a good story.
We lost 3 first team players. Gunston was gone, there was no changing that. The other two were Mitch and JOM. We were definitely aiming to trade out Mitch, so really, only contentious trade was JOM. I really doubt either or both those two changes today's result. The only real glaring error in hindsight, was probably not retaining Shiels for another season.
The reality is - our list, regardless of the losses last year, was not amazing.
But what I keep seeing, particularly with all the AFL "journalists", is they just lump all the lost players in one heap, and just go - "LOOK THEY CUT TOO MANY, SEE!". Yet no journo actually tries to analyse the tactics of the game and how systems broke down. Compare that to something like Tifo Football who analyse football (soccer) games in Europe, who look at games purely from a data/analytics perspective.
Mitchell is a good coach - he showed it at the Eagles, and showed it last year, where we arguably overperformed for our list. I'd probably say the break down of system is contributed to by a number of factors:
- Our forward line has been decimated with Gunston gone, Jeka/Lewis injured - means Kozzie goes from taking the 2nd/3rd defender to 1st.
- We have a new mid & ruck mix, meaning we're not going to be in sync against sides which have had mid combinations tgoether for years
- Even our coaching/backroom & board compositions are all new, so there is a lot of unsettling factors at play early.
And more than anything, it's just clear we're a bit out of form and confidence. Three weeks ago, we played our brand of footy well against Pies in pre-season. We can play it, it's just we've got in our own heads.
One thing I will say, is do not listen to the rhetoric provided by Damien Barrett and all his echos/parrots. This storyline of "cutting too deep" was started by him, and overlooks much of what actually is at play. But for "Damo" - never lets facts stand in the way of a good story.
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Won't go into detail but we were all over him and thought we had him too. Sydney had shown no interest and were all over dgb.
2 degrees of seperation from McCartney.
Still hurts
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I love DGB but yeh I couldn’t believe that McDonald was looking at sliding to us. So close but so far away ..
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Anyone got a clip of Meek's charge out of the middle. Was a great highlight on what was a pretty shocking day.
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The game plan appears like Adelaide - no one knows what it is.
the teams that do best have forwards in the square leading forward to the ball - not running with the flight of the ball.
the teams that do best have forwards in the square leading forward to the ball - not running with the flight of the ball.
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Very happy to defer to you on this one . My experience has been defence is easier but that was not at the top level .
Absolutely agree connection is our very major sticking point
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Do you think they had any coaching or plans implemented by whoever that spud coach that was sacked? Or do you think Clarko has come in and thrown away everything his predecessor put in place.
I appreciate they are ahead in terms of talent and experience. But we should be ahead in terms of our gameplan and structure, and it's absolutely glaringly obvious that we are not.
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Reporter: “Sam, despite dominating the clearance count, can you tell us why the midfield wasn’t able to make better use of the ball forward of centre”.
Sam Mitchell: “Our people have this question under heavy scrutiny at the moment. Now, if this scrutinization should yield some insight into the negatives, then I feel that we’ll buckle down, get around each other and put our ears to grindstone. If we do this, then as a group we know we’ll be able to maximize our efforts and ultimately adhere to our core beliefs”.
Next Question.
Reporter: “Sam you haven’t really answered the last question”
Sam Mitchell: "Now, just a minute! This is a press conference! The last thing I want to do is answer a lot of questions!"
Sam Mitchell: “Our people have this question under heavy scrutiny at the moment. Now, if this scrutinization should yield some insight into the negatives, then I feel that we’ll buckle down, get around each other and put our ears to grindstone. If we do this, then as a group we know we’ll be able to maximize our efforts and ultimately adhere to our core beliefs”.
Next Question.
Reporter: “Sam you haven’t really answered the last question”
Sam Mitchell: "Now, just a minute! This is a press conference! The last thing I want to do is answer a lot of questions!"
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Our confidence is completely shot right now and explains the dropped chest marks, fumbles and indecision. We need a win badly.
One of Reeves or Meek have to go. Both show little to no physical presence around the ground. I want to see Meek throwing his body around like he was in the intra clubs. We need him to at least provide a contest around the ground, but at the moment he is getting easily outmarked by smaller players.
Was it my imagination, or did Finn go to Blakey early in the game? In any case, he should have been the one as he carved us up and will get the 3 votes.
Out: Reeves/Meek, CJ, Bramble
In: Lynch (if fit), Scrimshaw (if fit), Morrison (if fit)
Meek had 8 tackles at least. Reeves, albeit on limited game time, had none.
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CJ can be a backman, i think his tires have been pumped up that much he now believes it.
I felt he was at his highest trade value last year. We probably would’ve got a top 10 pick for him. I hope I’m wrong but I think we have seen his ceiling already.
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