Autopsy Round 20 vs Adelaide

[finbarr]

& still you ridicule those Crow Players up above, the pain must be running deep DT.

Piss off dickhead. Ban this w***er.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?

They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

 

[Moo87]

So what turns our midfield into complete mush against decent outfits? Not even decent midfields but midfields that are prepared to get a bit dirty and win the hard ball? R Gray, Boak, Wines, Ebert, SPP, Ryder, Amon, Polec, Hartlett, Westhoff, Wingard, S Gray. It's a midfield group that on paper should be able to compete against each midfield in the league. Yet here we are, every second week, watching our midfield be second to the ball, lacking creativity, unable to win the hard ball, unable to structurally stop the rot when it happens. Why does this happen?

Is it coaching? Is it talent? Is it passion/heart?

This isn't 2011 anymore. Our midfield is at the right age/experience profile that it should be peaking right now. It is nowhere near it.

This is what really grates me. The changes thread is rightly filled with calls to drop second tier players who've had a sustained form drop (eg Impey), but they aren't to blame for our terrible effort yesterday.

Time and time again we see our best players put in some collectively horrendous displays, despite having the talent, fitness and support around them. Have we just overrated what appears to be a solid group on paper.

Yes coaching can have an impact, but is coaching really responsible for Ryder getting pushed away with the slightest contact from Jacobs, or Hartlett the same? Or for our leaders in Boak, Wines and Ebert to go softly softly as the crows mids kill us in yet another clearance? Or Dixon getting pushed aside by a rookie defender half his size?

A large part of the responsibility has to fall on the players for yesterday, and they are the ones that have to turn it around.

The only positive from this I can see is that remarkably these losses haven't killed our season, and should we come close to our potential we could make something of this year.

 

[Ateen7tee]

I have very little to add to what has already been said.

I too have read the book many times, and short term pain can only be a positive if it leads to Hinkley calling an end to his own tenure (unlikely, but I can’t see other making the hard decisions). The funny thing is that it would have been better if the opposition had kicked straight yesterday. A 130 point loss would surely have expedited the process in some small way.

The other thing I will say is that the last time we gave the players ‘a couple of days off between games to refresh’ was before the Essendon game. The club argued that this was intended to alleviate any possible negatives emanating from having an early bye. I’m sure it is just a coincidence, but I think professionally it’s not a good idea.

Finally, I know it’s a petty act, but if we could in some way organise for not a single person to stand and sing NTUA, it could send some small message. Unfortunately the nufties amongst us will tow the party line and blissfully assert that we are the 5th best team in the league. Yay!

 

[DonDraper]

I knew we were in trouble when I saw one of the main Port cheer squad guys wearing a Sturt guernsey.

 

[Muunky Tuunk Man]

And for the person who said winning doesnt influence the younger generation maybe go and visit a few schools at the start of next year and report back on the port crows split

Yep I have 2 boys at school and you're spot on. Kids are easily influenced by who is winning or who is popular.

 

[finbarr]

I knew we were in trouble when I saw one of the main Port cheer squad guys wearing a Sturt guernsey.

Lol.

 

[simmo_bc]

I am a massive fan of Ken, both as a player and coach. BUT, it is a concern that our boys aren't coming to play from the first bounce.

 

[Bovo]

Excuse my intrusion. Not here to gloat nor offend.

Just wanted to comment on your banner. All class. It is about time the fans delivered good banter on on our banners. Well done to the cheer squad. I loved it.

 

[finbarr]

If I was a crows player and ran out and saw all those players of ours wearing two guernsey's (a short sleeve over a long sleeve), my instant thought would have been "How soft are these guys? They don't want to be here".

Sent a terrible message. But nah, make them all get haircuts, Ken.

 

[Dentshop]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?

They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

I don't think Port will catch them again on the head to head for at least a decade. If ever. That really hurts to say.

 

[HinkleysHeroes]

Yep I have 2 boys at school and you're spot on. Kids are easily influenced by who is winning or who is popular.

Correct. Man U don't have a massive world wide following because they lose.

 

[Port01]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?

They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

the last one we won they have 70+ inside 50's to about 40, we were just more efficient forward.
that game was also the last weekend that I had any confidence in the club to take advantage of what we had (3-2 with the draw opening up)

 

[Wargreymon90]

I don't think Port will catch them again on the head to head for at least a decade. If ever. That really hurts to say.

Lol we'll lose to them till the end of time?

 

[1954]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?

They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

Change of coach, better game plan with two key forwards, plus a genuine back up ruckman, and yeah I can see us beating the tingles in the next 2-3 years.

Same coach with the same bs game plan, and no I can't.

 

[port always]

Just watched the replay

Young was atrocious
Impey terrible
Homsch what has happened?
Monfries absolutely invisible
Amon..disgraceful
Trengove...the worst
Only R Gray gets a plus

How could we possibly play like that

Coaches have some resposibility

 

[tribey]

& still you ridicule those Crow Players up above, the pain must be running deep DT.

How often do you think of me on a daily basis? jesus christ, let it go you simpleton.

 

[mic59]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?
They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

I'm starting to see the players and coaches thinking this way and yes that would mean we won't beat them for a while.

 

[port always]

We have to make wholesale changes

We cant possibly put up with a performance like that

For example young and monfries cannot get picked again

Powell pepper has to learn the a good attack on the ball is only half the expectation.you have to get the ball and do something with it

 

[Dentshop]

Lol we'll lose to them till the end of time?

I hope not!

For example though, Essendon V St. Kilda head to head is 68 - 141 for Essendon

The Saints would need to beat them every time for the next 50 years to even draw level. That won't happen.

Port hasn't beaten the Crows since Phil Walsh was alive - that seems like ages ago.

Who knows, Port might get another crack at the Crows in September....

 

[Magus]

Can anyone realistically see us beating the Crows in the next 2-3 years?

They could easily win ten showdowns in a row. What a ****en embarassment.

Nah. Could've said the same thing at the end of 2012. The wheel turns, things change quickly in football.

We do, however, need changes to happen.

 

[Marmozet]

We now know how much of a difference the crowd makes in Showdowns.

The margins in away Showdowns under Pyke & Hinkley have been 58 & 84.

The margins in home Showdowns under Pyke & Hinkley have been 15 & 17.

They'll probably get the first Showdown in 2018 so 6 Showdown losses in a row is a lock in so we'll probably have to wait another 12 months for our home Showdown to get close to beating them.

 

[Powerstufff]

Titus O'Reily said it best in THE MONDAY KNEE JERK REACTION: AFL ROUND TWENTY "... There’s not much point in analysing this game in any detail, it would be like analysing a truck driving over a watermelon. The truck crushed it and kept going like it hadn’t even noticed, the end ...."

 

[TeeKray]

Dan Houston was running around with an iron on 43 for half the year FFS.

I have a theory that he didn't play the Shanghai or Indigenous Round games solely because they hadn't ordered his number for the specialty guernseys and couldn't source iron on versions of the unique numbers (Shanghai numbers were smaller than usual because the TourismAus logo squashed the panel, Indigenous numbers were dotted).

That all might be crazy talk but I still can't completely rule it out in my mind.

I'm literally laughing out loud. This is a near flawless theory. It actually happened.

 

[Dalfino]

Good luck with year 12. Far more important

Thanks! As I type this from my English class...