Been worried about his role in the team all year. Mentally I think he is weak, obviously been given feedback he can’t handle. Jack just can’t be captain anymore, it needs to be Wilkie or Mason
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Autopsy Round 21, 2023: St.Kilda v Carlton
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Deplorable tonight
Didn’t make the distance 35 out, missed 2-3 kicks fwd 50 opportunities, single handedly killed all our momentum. How on earth is he still getting picked..?
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A lot talk midfields are missing the point.
Midfields are funny things in our sport. You look at the Hawks midfield that we did well against last week. They smashed the ladder leaders yesterday.
Centre bounce work can be a bit flukey. There’s a reason the most recent team to have a dynasty, The tigers, didn’t care much about clearance stuff.
It’s all about having a system that stacks up.
Problem is, outside of defence and manic pressure, we don’t have a good system and can’t execute skills and move the ball effectively under pressure.
Until our players are developed to do that, we are going nowhere, no matter what our list looks like.
Midfields are funny things in our sport. You look at the Hawks midfield that we did well against last week. They smashed the ladder leaders yesterday.
Centre bounce work can be a bit flukey. There’s a reason the most recent team to have a dynasty, The tigers, didn’t care much about clearance stuff.
It’s all about having a system that stacks up.
Problem is, outside of defence and manic pressure, we don’t have a good system and can’t execute skills and move the ball effectively under pressure.
Until our players are developed to do that, we are going nowhere, no matter what our list looks like.
The lack of second ruck is a head scratcher and the choice of stocker as a sub was a bit questionable but this performance is absolutely on the players
Why not?
Yes and yes. Also I agree
U should take some time off for that.
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Not enough Byrnes - he was shocking
Bro.... really?
Come on
There's enough real stuff to deal with without tripped out doom and gloom fantasies.
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Just watched the rest of RTB press conference
RTB - We think we are in pretty good shape in front of & behind the ball (US code for like our defence & attack).
So they know our midfield doesn’t cut it (heard him use the term one paced earlier in the season).
So what can the drafting/trading/development teams conjure up - that’s the big question - if we can get it right we are going places - if not we are in a world of pain!
RTB - We think we are in pretty good shape in front of & behind the ball (US code for like our defence & attack).
So they know our midfield doesn’t cut it (heard him use the term one paced earlier in the season).
So what can the drafting/trading/development teams conjure up - that’s the big question - if we can get it right we are going places - if not we are in a world of pain!
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He’s a soon to be 30 year old player who has been outperforming his station for a year and a half at most.
I wouldn’t wanna give him any more to think about. I’m sure he’s a perfectly capable leader (the saints did a media thing about Nas living with him which was awesome) but just hard no. Captains are more than just the spiritual leaders (which he’s not) and he’s got way way too much to focus on outside of being captain.
The fact his name could even be mentioned shows the dearth of leadership we have.
Jones Probably been told he will be moved on seasons end. We can no longer afford the medical bills.
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We are as bad in attack as we are in the midfield. We are in trouble if we aren't seriously addressing how dysfunctional our attack and forward structure is.
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I like Wood. He’s generally been a great pick up. But he was nowhere near fantastic tonight.
Agree
And your logic absolutely rules Steele out.
I agree that Wilkie is the choice. Wood defently should be in the leadership group though…and probably will be once Membrey is playing elsewhere.l and Seb is the captain of Sandrigham
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11 turnovers today for Wood
Hey that’s the same amount as Steele had touches!
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No shit. Jones and Gresham go and it will be slower than Hunter Clark getting to the gym. We are low skilled and slow with inadequate depth. They don’t need coaching changes to work that out.
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Too late,,,that ship has sailed.
We gave him away and plenty of us were not happy about it.
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Question: Whats the one thing that gives you time/space and draws opponents in footy?
Answer: MOVEMENT.
Another little observation after watching the first half of the Sandringham game and then the Saints. Is both the VFL & AFL side's consistently handball backwards/sideways to stationary players, who will then handball to another stationary player. All of our players have been programmed to give quick hands, but at some stage a player receiving needs to be in motion otherwise it just refers the pressure.
The entire list needs to have drilled into them to move when they win the ball ! Players don't have to move far to find space, but you aren't going to find it standing flat footed. There are plenty of handballing drills designed to get that perpetual motion and the Saints need to start using them. If you watched Carlton today they always had players running past contests at speed. They can do that because they are winning it in close, but the same rule applies to the midfielders at stoppages - positive movement gives them the best chance of first hands.
Answer: MOVEMENT.
Another little observation after watching the first half of the Sandringham game and then the Saints. Is both the VFL & AFL side's consistently handball backwards/sideways to stationary players, who will then handball to another stationary player. All of our players have been programmed to give quick hands, but at some stage a player receiving needs to be in motion otherwise it just refers the pressure.
The entire list needs to have drilled into them to move when they win the ball ! Players don't have to move far to find space, but you aren't going to find it standing flat footed. There are plenty of handballing drills designed to get that perpetual motion and the Saints need to start using them. If you watched Carlton today they always had players running past contests at speed. They can do that because they are winning it in close, but the same rule applies to the midfielders at stoppages - positive movement gives them the best chance of first hands.
Surprised he’s not already in it given his reputation around the club.
Clearly being a leader isn’t a prerequisite for being in the leadership group.
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Not so simple - The caveat to that is what is the quality of the ball movement going from midfield to the forward?
In the extreme, if you are the greatest forward the game has seen (Plugger), do you want Nicky Winmar or Luke Dunstan delivering it? Quality entry to advantage matters.
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