Preview Round 24: Cats vs Dogs, Sat 26th August @ 7:25pm KP

[Partridge]

Can I ask how you calculated the missing players as a few of them don't seem to match the number of outs, and there was definitely games in we were missing more than 5:

Round 7 - 6 missing
Round 8 - 7 missing
Round 9 - 8 missing
Round 10 - 6 missing
Round 11 - 5 missing
Round 12 - 5 missing
Round 17 - 6 missing
Round 21 - 5 missing


So not sure if the formula capped at 5 or something

I'm guessing going by the names it's premiership players from last year.

 

[cats_09]

I'm guessing going by the names it's premiership players from last year

I'm aware of that bit as I put the initial list together over the weekend - just curious what counts as missing in this list as there were a number of games where the number of premiership players missing is greater than listed in that chart is all

 

[kickazz]

Depending on outs we could cop a bit of a beating.

All I want to see is:

• A few of the younger guys playing
• Take the game on, not this stifled tentative stuff we have crawled back to this year.
• Sam Menegola to get a game.

 

[bulletproof]

Round 8 versus Adelaide
Round 12 versus Bulldogs
Round 15 versus Melbourne
Round 18 versus Essendon

I’d take the Crows game off that list, I remember Danger dominating that game and built a lead before going off injured.

In fact, I think you can trace our season’s decline to that very point midway through second quarter of Crows game.

We peaked around that time and lost our next 3 when he got injured.

 

[Mr Meow]

Can I ask how you calculated the missing players as a few of them don't seem to match the number of outs, and there was definitely games in we were missing more than 5:

Round 7 - 6 missing
Round 8 - 7 missing
Round 9 - 8 missing
Round 10 - 6 missing
Round 11 - 5 missing
Round 12 - 5 missing
Round 17 - 6 missing
Round 21 - 5 missing


So not sure if the formula capped at 5 or something

Henry, Stengle and Stanley were missing at points - sometimes all in the same game. Then Holmes wasn't a premiership player but best 22 and important - missed two. O.Henry missed one and has been somewhat important. Bowes best 22 missed a few but not important.

 

[Willo_]

Cats socials shared a highlight video of Tall Toby from the weekend,
I absolutely expect him to play this week

 

[Mr Meow]

I’d take the Crows game off that list, I remember Danger dominating that game and built a lead before going off injured.

In fact, I think you can trace our season’s decline to that very point midway through second quarter of Crows game.

We peaked around that time and lost our next 3 when he got injured.

Duncan and Holmes soon followed after having more slack to pick up too. Smith didn't get injured but with those 3 missing very quickly cooked himself too.

 

[Partridge]

I’d take the Crows game off that list, I remember Danger dominating that game and built a lead before going off injured.

In fact, I think you can trace our season’s decline to that very point midway through second quarter of Crows game.

We peaked around that time and lost our next 3 when he got injured.

Perhaps. You could argue we've had three separate slumps this season. The first three rounds, the three losses from Rounds 9-11, but just as bad has been the last month and a bit. We've lost 4 of the last 5 now, and considering what was on the line, last Friday night was as bad a loss as we've had for the whole year.

 

[BORIS332]

Can I ask how you calculated the missing players as a few of them don't seem to match the number of outs, and there was definitely games in we were missing more than 5:

Round 7 - 6 missing
Round 8 - 7 missing
Round 9 - 8 missing
Round 10 - 6 missing
Round 11 - 5 missing
Round 12 - 5 missing
Round 17 - 6 missing
Round 21 - 5 missing


So not sure if the formula capped at 5 or something

I took it directly from your post which I quoted.

 

[moond0g]

This is a list I posted last week in a couple of other threads - it’s the list of players from last years 23 premiership players that have missed across each round this season. I haven’t specifically listed Selwood as that’s a given, but from the remaining 22 premiership players, we can see how interrupted our season has been & the lack of continuity we’ve had in terms of the availability of those players - whether injury or form

I’m also now somewhat able to update it for this round, though we may yet see a few more miss with that somewhat unknown until Thursday night if not Saturday night


Round 1 vs Collingwood - no Duncan, Henry & Kolodjashnij
Round 2 vs Carlton - no Stewart, Henry, Kolodjashnij, Duncan & Parfitt
Round 3 vs GC - no Duncan, Henry, Kolodjashnij, Stanley & Parfitt
Round 4 vs Hawthorn - no Henry, SDK & Parfitt
Round 5 vs WCE - no Henry, Bews & Rohan
Round 6 vs Sydney - no Henry, Stanley, Stengle & Parfitt
Round 7 vs Essendon - no Henry, Stanley, Stengle, C. Guthrie, Tuohy & Parfitt
Round 8 vs Adelaide - no Henry, Stanley, Stengle, C. Guthrie, Rohan, SDK & Parfitt
Round 9 vs Richmond - no Henry, Stanley, Stengle, C. Guthrie, Rohan, SDK, Dangerfield & Close
Round 10 vs Fremantle - no Stanley, C. Guthrie, Rohan, SDK, Dangerfield & Duncan
Round 11 vs GWS - no Stanley, C. Guthrie, Rohan, Dangerfield & Duncan
Round 12 vs Bulldogs - no Stanley, C. Guthrie, Dangerfield, Duncan & Parfitt
Round 13 - N/A
Round 14 vs Port Adelaide- no Stanley, C. Guthrie & Parfitt
Round 15 vs Melbourne - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt & Dangerfield
Round 16 vs Sydney - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt, Cameron & O'Connor
Round 17 vs North - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt, Cameron, Bews, Kolodjashnij & Smith
Round 18 vs Essendon - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt, Bews & Tuohy
Round 19 vs Brisbane - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt, Bews & Rohan
Round 20 vs Fremantle - no C. Guthrie, Parfitt & Bews
Round 21 vs Port Adelaide - no C. Guthrie, Bews, Hawkins & Blicavs
Round 22 vs Collingwood - no C. Guthrie, Bews, Hawkins, Blicavs & Henry
Round 23 vs St Kilda - no C. Guthrie, Blicavs, Henry, Stanley & Rohan
Round 24 vs Bulldogs - no Henry, Blicavs, Rohan, Close & Duncan seems all but confirmed. Then question marks over C. Guthrie, Stanley, Cameron, Hawkins & Parfit (who’s been something of a question mark all season)


If the first 4 of those question mark players miss this week, then that mean 9 of a possible 22 premiership players missing - the most we’ve had out all season - the next ”best” was 8 out against Richmond in round 9

Just ain’t been our year

Would be curious to see some more data for context. For example, would be curious to see how many Sydney from their grand final side each week as well.

 

[Kitcat]

Struggle to see how that can work. You can't have part time footballers. Let alone a part time captain.

It's all very well to peak in September, you still have to get there. As of right now we can't just arrogantly assume that's going to happen.

I explained why there would be an exception for Danger and I qualified when it would be implemented. There is no arrogance about it.
He probably would have to stand down as captain, but I bet Danger would rather be seen as a damaging and influential player when on the field rather than burning out by August and copping a load of criticism for his up and down performances.

 

[Willo_]

Mullin showed he was a mile off already and was a liability in the game earlier in the year, I'm not a fan of just gifting games regardless of the stakes.

Cooper Whyte deserves a chance far more if we are looking for defensive reinforcements let him attack out of defence in Duncan's role or release Bowes to play more attacking minded footy.

I would like to see Whyte get another shot, he was thrown to the wolves a bit rd 2 on debut, played his best VFL game all year on the weekend, give him a shot and reward him for working his way back after a mostly rough year

 

[moond0g]

Mullin showed he was a mile off already and was a liability in the game earlier in the year, I'm not a fan of just gifting games regardless of the stakes.

Cooper Whyte deserves a chance far more if we are looking for defensive reinforcements let him attack out of defence in Duncan's role or release Bowes to play more attacking minded footy.

I'd like to see Bowes play an attacking role in the middle. All the talk when we traded for him was that Chris Scott sees him as a midfielder for us, I'd like to see whether he is.

 

[cats_09]

Would be curious to see some more data for context. For example, would be curious to see how many Sydney from their grand final side each week as well.

I'm happy for a Sydney fan to look into that,

 

[Vdubs]

Nope too dangerous if you lose a player early see sav. Plus there couldnt be a worse opponent to start him against than english.

Why not learn on the job from the best?
He is 20 years old.
Do you think if he's used sporadically on and off the bench this week in August it can adversely affect his preseason?

 

[And_ROOS]

His age. That's the problem with players the wrong side of 30, and particularly getting around the 32-34 age range.

It's not that they can't occasionally play very good football. But they can't produce it week after week. At a certain point they won't be able to do it at all.

They made this point about Pendlebury. He stepped up for the Pies in their last match but hasn't had to really go up a gear for weeks before that because of age and team mates.

Next year if Danger can contribute during matches and then go up a gear for the big games then that's ideal for a player in his age bracket. And probably what we should expect from him. How we used him last year was perfect. Sadly with our midfield being absolutely broken this year we didn't have that luxury.

 

[Partridge]

They made this point about Pendlebury. He stepped up for the Pies in their last match but hasn't had to really go up a gear for weeks before that because of age and team mates.

Next year if Danger can contribute during matches and then go up a gear for the big games then that's ideal for a player in his age bracket. And probably what we should expect from him. How we used him last year was perfect. Sadly with our midfield being absolutely broken this year we didn't have that luxury.

I think past reputation has helped Pendlebury a lot. He was good at times the other night, but he's making mistakes and getting caught all the time now and most of the time the commentators look the other way. Or you'll get the timeless "a rare error by Pendlebury". Except they aren't nearly so rare anymore.

 

[And_ROOS]

I don't see why people are against playing Conway in case we have to sub him off early with injury, this game is a dead rubber. If Conway gets injured, then we know we NEED a ruck next season because Stanley is older and Conway is unreliable.
About people saying it's feeding him to the wolves against English, English is a less physical ruck that Marshall is and we had no issues in putting Neale in there.
Get games into the kids. If they want to try SDK forward, try it. Play Bowes as a midfielder. Throw Holmes onto half back.
There's literally no downside to throwing the magnets around and finding our something new about our players.
Give guys a send off, play the kids, throw the magnets around, try to play an all out attacking game to send the fans off happy.

 

[And_ROOS]

I think past reputation has helped Pendlebury a lot. He was good at times the other night, but he's making mistakes and getting caught all the time now and most of the time the commentators look the other way. Or you'll get the timeless "a rare error by Pendlebury". Except they aren't nearly so rare anymore.

Oh I agree Pendles is winding down, but he was really good the other night and performed above his season average and did it because it was one of those games where you feel the coach asked who is stepping up to fill the massive gaps left by De Goey and Daicos being out.
And next year it's how I think Danger will be should we get 2 mids who start and immediately make us better. You would want Danger to come on, contribute and be good during matches, and then every now and then he will pop up with a big game where he kicks a few goals and monsters the midfield and people say it's "dangerfield of old". I'm not saying Pendlebury is flawless or as good as he was even 2 years ago because it's not the case. I'm just saying relative to his season he stood up for the Pies.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Why not learn on the job from the best?
He is 20 years old.
Do you think if he's used sporadically on and off the bench this week in August it can adversely affect his preseason?

English is in great form but his tap work isn't his one wood - would be great to give Toby a shot and agreed Vdubs - Toby will be able to gauge the work rate of an elite ruck. Even if only for a half will be worth the experience and give him strong motivation in the off season.
Definitely play Knevitt and Dempsey plus I'd be tempted to debut Clohesy as he's been very consistent and good in the 2's - perhaps Atkins deserves a rest?

I really hope we are bold at selection and show faith in the younger brigade. Admittedly there is a fair chance we will be beaten by a very motivated opponent but I'd rather give them the experience than trot out what we did v Saints.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Oh I agree Pendles is winding down, but he was really good the other night and performed above his season average and did it because it was one of those games where you feel the coach asked who is stepping up to fill the massive gaps left by De Goey and Daicos being out.
And next year it's how I think Danger will be should we get 2 mids who start and immediately make us better. You would want Danger to come on, contribute and be good during matches, and then every now and then he will pop up with a big game where he kicks a few goals and monsters the midfield and people say it's "dangerfield of old". I'm not saying Pendlebury is flawless or as good as he was even 2 years ago because it's not the case. I'm just saying relative to his season he stood up for the Pies.

Port have done this very well - Boak and Wines are now used sparingly with great effect now that Butters , Rozee and Drew are carrying the workload.

 

[Willo_]

I don't see why people are against playing Conway in case we have to sub him off early with injury, this game is a dead rubber. If Conway gets injured, then we know we NEED a ruck next season because Stanley is older and Conway is unreliable.
About people saying it's feeding him to the wolves against English, English is a less physical ruck that Marshall is and we had no issues in putting Neale in there.
Get games into the kids. If they want to try SDK forward, try it. Play Bowes as a midfielder. Throw Holmes onto half back.
There's literally no downside to throwing the magnets around and finding our something new about our players.
Give guys a send off, play the kids, throw the magnets around, try to play an all out attacking game to send the fans off happy.

This is 100% right IMO, and people can say well he might get injured, if we are worried about that then he may as well never play again, it is a physical game.. he could get injured at any level.
Also in the grand scheme of things the game doesn't mean anything, percentage, winning, losing... none of it matters.. IF we can expose some talent to the top level though to get a taste before they get to go rest up and then hit pre season then that could do wonders for their drive, expectations, desire etc

 

[And_ROOS]

This is 100% right IMO, and people can say well he might get injured, if we are worried about that then he may as well never play again, it is a physical game.. he could get injured at any level.
Also in the grand scheme of things the game doesn't mean anything, percentage, winning, losing... none of it matters.. IF we can expose some talent to the top level though to get a taste before they get to go rest up and then hit pre season then that could do wonders for their drive, expectations, desire etc

The only player that I don't thing should play is Mullins when someone like Clohesy deserves a debut. Clohesy has been good in the VFL all season, puts up better numbers, and absolutely deserves a game. Mullins so green he absolutely needs to spend a season in the VFL to come to grips with the game because when he has been in the AFL he generally looks lost.

 

[Scottland2007]

Throwing my hat in the ring for a $20 voucher


We’ll give you 4 points
We’ll give finals a miss
All we want in return
Is Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

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Season

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18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

 

[Willo_]

The only player that I don't thing should play is Mullins when someone like Clohesy deserves a debut. Clohesy has been good in the VFL all season, puts up better numbers, and absolutely deserves a game. Mullins so green he absolutely needs to spend a season in the VFL to come to grips with the game because when he has been in the AFL he generally looks lost.

I wouldn't be against Ted getting a taste either, I do think Mullin will surprise how quickly he comes on next year. He is being fast tracked and I reckon it will start to click and take shape for him very quickly